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re: Leach isn't coming....that's a pipe dream IMO
Posted on 11/29/10 at 12:19 pm to stout
Posted on 11/29/10 at 12:19 pm to stout
he also had the misfortune of being coached by Crowton. Again, dont know why you insist he'd bring his exact offense to LSU w/ the superior personnel and not adjust his offense like any top OC would
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Posted on 11/29/10 at 12:19 pm to Smoke Green
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would you give a new HC any period of grace, while 'getting the right people'?
Good thing we aren't talking about a new HC
Posted on 11/29/10 at 12:20 pm to stout
we're not. but would you?
Posted on 11/29/10 at 12:21 pm to Books
I never said he couldn't adjust but he will always be pass first. That's never been our style and running has dominated the SEC outside of when Spurrier was at UF.
Posted on 11/29/10 at 12:21 pm to Banshee
I think we all overlook how crowton's calls on 1st and 2nd down really affect our QB's performance, because he makes 3rd down that much harder. Leach's offense is based on finding the best matchups regardless of down and distance. Crowton's is based on doing what the defense "least expects"...
Posted on 11/29/10 at 12:22 pm to Smoke Green
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we're not. but would you?
You are trying to argue a point that isn't even relevant to this discussion.
When RR went to Michigan he went as an OC and HC. Not the case here.
This post was edited on 11/29/10 at 12:23 pm
Posted on 11/29/10 at 12:23 pm to stout
leach would make lee into a good qb. leach isn't gary when it comes to qbs.
I agree though its a pipe dream only bc with a guy like leach he needs control and well les ego wont allow that.
I disagree on how well it would work and think the rr comparison is wrong considering one is the oc and one is the head coach. we would still have a good d but leach at oc might be able to save us when they punch out against a good offensive team
I agree though its a pipe dream only bc with a guy like leach he needs control and well les ego wont allow that.
I disagree on how well it would work and think the rr comparison is wrong considering one is the oc and one is the head coach. we would still have a good d but leach at oc might be able to save us when they punch out against a good offensive team
Posted on 11/29/10 at 12:23 pm to stout
quote:and before Meyer that offense never worked in the SEC. A pass first doesn't = TT's air raid
I never said he couldn't adjust but he will always be pass first. That's never been our style and running has dominated the SEC outside of when Spurrier was at UF.
Posted on 11/29/10 at 12:24 pm to heartbreakTiger
Anything would be an upgrade at this point on O so that's not saying much.
Posted on 11/29/10 at 12:25 pm to stout
You don't want Leach. Especially not at LSU when you have such a strong Defensive identity associated with them. Its very hard to play defense with Leach's offense, as it leaves the defense on the field for far too long. He doesn't have the ability to run the clock correctly to keep your defense from getting gassed.
LSU to me also has a strong Running-based offensive identity. The Leach offense has wide line splits - that's how it protects the QB from all-out blitzing defenses. But those same splits with the offensive linemen in a two point stance are the same reason he can't run the ball when he needs to run the ball. All the great RB's LSU now gets will be heading elsewhere.
Having Mike Leach as your OC would be a disaster on par with Auburn's fiasco a few years back with Tony Franklin.
LSU to me also has a strong Running-based offensive identity. The Leach offense has wide line splits - that's how it protects the QB from all-out blitzing defenses. But those same splits with the offensive linemen in a two point stance are the same reason he can't run the ball when he needs to run the ball. All the great RB's LSU now gets will be heading elsewhere.
Having Mike Leach as your OC would be a disaster on par with Auburn's fiasco a few years back with Tony Franklin.
Posted on 11/29/10 at 12:25 pm to stout
Leach would not come to LSU as a coordinator. No way in hell.
Posted on 11/29/10 at 12:26 pm to Books
Leach was already in the SEC before, and his offense did fairly decent given the head coach and lack of talent/facilities.
Posted on 11/29/10 at 12:27 pm to Corch Urban Myers
our offense leaves our d on the field way to long and puts way more pressure on them than a leach o would put on our d. so saying his o will hurt our d more than gary already does is a bunch of bullshite.
stout i agree anything is an improvement but i think if we get leach it will be big time numbers for us. I think leach will adapt enough and we have enough talent to really have a great o under him. I also agree its a pipe dream though bc its les miles we are talking about here. He wont give up control and leach will not bow to him changing certain plays.
stout i agree anything is an improvement but i think if we get leach it will be big time numbers for us. I think leach will adapt enough and we have enough talent to really have a great o under him. I also agree its a pipe dream though bc its les miles we are talking about here. He wont give up control and leach will not bow to him changing certain plays.
This post was edited on 11/29/10 at 12:28 pm
Posted on 11/29/10 at 12:27 pm to Corch Urban Myers
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Having Mike Leach as your OC would be a disaster on par with Auburn's fiasco a few years back with Tony Franklin.
That's a better analogy than mine for sure.
I agree with you 100% on the RB situation too.
Our D is already used to being on the field though cause it's rare GC can actually put together anything more than a 3 and out.
Posted on 11/29/10 at 12:28 pm to stout
I don't think he is coming either. I do think Leach is a very intelligent coach that would adapt his offense to the players that are on the roster.
Posted on 11/29/10 at 12:30 pm to stout
just trying to determine at what coaching position level you'd be willing to give a grace period to.
i'm guessing none.
i'm guessing none.
Posted on 11/29/10 at 12:30 pm to stout
Comparing Leach to Franklin is horribly unfair to Leach
Posted on 11/29/10 at 12:30 pm to Camp Randall
he would adapt so tony franklin is a bad analogy as well. He is alot smarter than franklin. our d would give up a few more points but it wouldn't matter since we would be putting up points at a higher rate. also the d wold be able to pressure even more if they know the offense can score. so its not automatic our d will go to shite bc we get a legit offense
Posted on 11/29/10 at 12:31 pm to Corch Urban Myers
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Having Mike Leach as your OC would be a disaster on par with Auburn's fiasco a few years back with Tony Franklin.
Except Auburn had no speed and no defense that year. Plus, they didn't have an identity. TT kept the same position coaches on board that he's had for years and they refused to work with and listen to Franklin. That, and Franklin is a dumbass HS offense.
At LSU, we have relatively new asst coaches and they'd probably be open to a new OC making them and their careers look better than it currently does. Plus, leach has had proven success EVERYWHERE he's coached.
Posted on 11/29/10 at 12:34 pm to Moustache
the excuses other teams fans make for us not getting leach is fear that LSU will have a legit offense and be hard to stop.
I still dont think we get leach bc of miles. This all looks good to miles though he can say he tried to replace gary again and looked into options but it just mutually didn't work out so his bbq buddy gary gets to stay.
I still dont think we get leach bc of miles. This all looks good to miles though he can say he tried to replace gary again and looked into options but it just mutually didn't work out so his bbq buddy gary gets to stay.
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