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Posted on 10/24/16 at 3:24 pm to Tiger Tracker
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I think that's as reactionary as saying hire O because he won 3 games. It's about an overall body of work.
When people say that about coach O it is always with a caveat. They realize that he has to accomplish certain milestones to be considered. They also know that losing to Navy and SMU in a three week period would get his arse shown the door even though LSU was unranked when he took over.
Posted on 10/24/16 at 3:29 pm to dallastiger55
It's completely logical and rational..
A coach with very limited HC experience to begin with drops a couple games to inferior opponents, one of which wasn't even close.
Of course his stock has taken a hit. With all due respect, If his stock didn't take at least a little bit of a hit in your mind, I question your critical thinking. There's certainly room for concern, doesn't make him a bad coach, but it certainly makes one wonder if he's ready for the big leagues and should give you pause when there are other candidates on the board with more experience and a proven track record.
A coach with very limited HC experience to begin with drops a couple games to inferior opponents, one of which wasn't even close.
Of course his stock has taken a hit. With all due respect, If his stock didn't take at least a little bit of a hit in your mind, I question your critical thinking. There's certainly room for concern, doesn't make him a bad coach, but it certainly makes one wonder if he's ready for the big leagues and should give you pause when there are other candidates on the board with more experience and a proven track record.
This post was edited on 10/24/16 at 3:32 pm
Posted on 10/24/16 at 4:57 pm to JPLSU1981
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Of course his stock has taken a hit. With all due respect, If his stock didn't take at least a little bit of a hit in your mind, I question your critical thinking. There's certainly room for concern, doesn't make him a bad coach, but it certainly makes one wonder if he's ready for the big leagues and should give you pause when there are other candidates on the board with more experience and a proven track record.
Thank you! This all this! It blows my mind that people say losses don't matter and the opposite side that says he is now shite. I still like Herman's upside, but the risk is now bigger with those losses.
Posted on 10/24/16 at 5:04 pm to Tiger Tracker
I still think he's a good coach and I certainly wouldn't be "disappointed" if he was the hire. There are, however, legitimate concerns with Herman.
He was a "shaky" #1 to begin with given the lack of experience. Anyone that still has him as an unquestioned #1 is just being stubborn.
He was a "shaky" #1 to begin with given the lack of experience. Anyone that still has him as an unquestioned #1 is just being stubborn.
Posted on 10/24/16 at 5:12 pm to Tiger Ree
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You really are brilliant aren't you? Wow, can I bookmark this for later reference? Amazing !!!
Do all coaches at little league conference schools go on three game skids against teams with much less talent and get hired to lead the LSU program? I'll answer that for you - Nope !!!
Please bookmark it. O goes 10-25 at a big name school, but hey who the hell cares right? Should someone who struck out once in the SEC hired to lead the LSU program?? I'll answer that for you - Nope!!! Only exception to that is if other coaches with better resumes all say no.
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True - at LSU and if you totally disregard the fact that I have stated it is the body of work over three games
So now we judge a coach off three games and not overall performance. Makes perfect sense. Ive already admitted it is concerning but you're being so ridiculously short sighted by looking at ONLY 3 games and then going on to say he gets little to no credit for FSU, OU, and his great OC/QB work at tOSU. If you can't objectively look at the downside AND upside compared to other coaches then i stand by my statement you have no idea how a coaching search actually works.
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Maybe you just don't read my posts. You are becoming a broken record. It wasn't that long ago today that I told you I don't have a top three. The decision is not mine to make so I am not going to waste time on frivolous shite.
I read them. I read how you say you don't have an opinion on who should be hired yet go on to talk about how you know tom herman is not qualified. If you don't have an opinion on anyone better than herman than stfu and get off the coaching changes board because that's what we are discussing.
Yeah i misspelled peterson sorry. I guess that means all my factual points are now not valid somehow.
The actual difference between you and i is while i may not personally like a candidate, see chip kelly or petrino, i could see why people would want him here. You on the other hand wouldn't consider someone the coaching world has a lot of respect for because he lost a couple games. You're being short sighted on the whole matter. Could you be right in the end? Absolutely. Herman could be a bust for sure, but you're saying it like you know for a fact based on 3 games.
Posted on 10/24/16 at 5:14 pm to dallastiger55
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Why are people jumping off Herman bandwagon?
A. Rantards are morons
B. HE KISSES PLAYERS!!!!!!!
C. HE'S NOT ONE OF US!!!!!
Posted on 10/24/16 at 5:17 pm to JPLSU1981
True. I have him, jimbo, fleck, kelly, and peterson all on my "ill be ok either way it goes" list.
Coach O would follow somewhere in my tier 2 assuming he keeps this up. Still concerned about him running a program over time though.
Anyone else you put in the top tier area that i missed?
Coach O would follow somewhere in my tier 2 assuming he keeps this up. Still concerned about him running a program over time though.
Anyone else you put in the top tier area that i missed?
Posted on 10/24/16 at 5:57 pm to Tiger Ree
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Yep, Ole Miss 10 years ago was perennially one of the top ranked teams in the country. It is pretty bad how far they fell off the national championship winning map while he was there.
oh ok so we should let LSU make the coach great…again?
GREAT IDEA
screw any other candidates with the better resume'. They aint cajun.
Posted on 10/24/16 at 6:05 pm to dallastiger55
One year wonder with no known track record of recruiting.
He's a much bigger risk than people think.
I laughed. Someone responded "microwave culture". Um. He is the it guy because of microwave culture!
He's a much bigger risk than people think.
I laughed. Someone responded "microwave culture". Um. He is the it guy because of microwave culture!
Posted on 10/24/16 at 6:26 pm to Tiger Tracker
Fleck is a Tier below Jimbo, Kelly... Fleck is similar to Herman, young and certainly up-and-comer, but not enough experience and enough of a track record yet.
Positive for Herman over Fleck is familiarity with Houston and Texas recruiting.
IMO, the coaching search has gotten down to this...
O wins out, O gets the job.
O doesn't win out, Jimbo gets the job.
If Jimbo says no, all bets are off and the real coaching-search-craziness ensues and there's no telling who will be LSUs next coach, could be anyone.
Positive for Herman over Fleck is familiarity with Houston and Texas recruiting.
IMO, the coaching search has gotten down to this...
O wins out, O gets the job.
O doesn't win out, Jimbo gets the job.
If Jimbo says no, all bets are off and the real coaching-search-craziness ensues and there's no telling who will be LSUs next coach, could be anyone.
This post was edited on 10/24/16 at 6:28 pm
Posted on 10/24/16 at 6:46 pm to JPLSU1981
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IMO, the coaching search has gotten down to this...
O wins out, O gets the job.
O doesn't win out, Jimbo gets the job.
You think they give it to O if Jimbo says yes? I don't think that would happen. If Jimbo says yes i have a feeling it won't matter what O does, or do you think they will cave under fan and media pressure?
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Fleck is a Tier below Jimbo, Kelly... Fleck is similar to Herman, young and certainly up-and-comer, but not enough experience and enough of a track record yet.
I agree with you. I just meant i, personally, would be OK with any of the ones i named with little concern. Although you are correct. Fleck and Herman both carry a higher risk than a proven coach like Jimbo or Kelly.
Back to O, what are your thoughts on him? I feel like he is a higher risk than Herman or Fleck. Like you get more or close to the same risk with a lower success ceiling. I think O is great interim HC, but has not showed/been offered the opportunity to redeem himself. Does a program like LSU let him get back in the driver's seat over Jimbo, even if he wins out? I hope not.
I feel like Alleva is going to try and say frick all of you. I have to get this right and jimbo will come so it's Jimbo. Period. I can't risk my career on coach O.
He may be hated for it, but as soon as Jimbo gets us back on track all would be forgiven. Of course, it could backfire and Jimbo underperforms.
You think Alleva would take that risk if Jimbo is willing to come? Regardless f O's record this year.
Posted on 10/24/16 at 6:51 pm to dallastiger55
Not sure I was ever on the Herman bandwagon. My first choice is Jimbo. He has accomplished as much as Herman, and then some (including national title).
He has successfully run a Power 5 program for nearly 7 seasons.
And he has developed numerous QB's (four first rounders).
With prior LSU coaching experience (7 years as OC).
Jimbo should be first choice.
He has successfully run a Power 5 program for nearly 7 seasons.
And he has developed numerous QB's (four first rounders).
With prior LSU coaching experience (7 years as OC).
Jimbo should be first choice.
Posted on 10/24/16 at 6:56 pm to Chicken
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Jimbo should be first choice
I've said all along that I think it's "done" and has been done for a while and that Jimbo Fisher will be our next coach.
The ONLY thing IMO that could throw a wrench into that would be O winning out and winning the SEC. While an argument could certainly still be made for Jimbo over O in even that best-case scenario, it's going to be awfully hard to not give O the job if he wins out.
All of the other candidates pale in comparison to Jimbo's resume and experience and "fit" at LSU.
This post was edited on 10/24/16 at 6:58 pm
Posted on 10/24/16 at 7:01 pm to Tiger Tracker
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You think they give it to O if Jimbo says yes?
Possibly, but only if O were to win out.
I like O, but he's not even a realistic or possible candidate until he does something "special."
Now if he does win out, It really takes the discussion out of it because you almost have to give him the job.
Posted on 10/24/16 at 7:02 pm to Tiger Tracker
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I feel like Alleva is going to try and say frick all of you. I have to get this right and jimbo will come so it's Jimbo. Period. I can't risk my career on coach O.
I can buy that.
And I agree... I think it's Jimbo, has been Jimbo since last November, and will be Jimbo this December.
Posted on 10/24/16 at 7:03 pm to dallastiger55
He's still better than Jimbeaux
Posted on 10/24/16 at 7:10 pm to JPLSU1981
Definitely wouldn't be mad at that. I could see Alleva being scared to hire Herman for the same riskiness factor as O.
Posted on 10/24/16 at 7:22 pm to dallastiger55
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and by far my number 1 choice.
Well then.
That settles it!
Posted on 10/24/16 at 7:34 pm to dallastiger55
His coaching through adversity needs a lot of work.
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