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My not so brief analogy and parallels of '08 LSU

Posted on 10/13/08 at 12:10 am
Posted by PiscesTiger
Concrete, WA
Member since Feb 2004
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Posted on 10/13/08 at 12:10 am
This team reminds me of 2006 UGA. If you remember, it was an UGA team that lost many key players, including its qb. They relied on a defense with many newcomers and a freshman named Stafford and it cost them a couple of times. They looked like a 5-6 win team and barely beat Colorado, who was awful at the time, by one point. After a 5-0 start and a very high AP ranking, the Dawgs were pummeled 51-33 by Tennessee. If that wasn't bad enough, Vandy would beat them two weeks later - not a Vandy akin to this year's version. UGA would go on to lose 4 SEC games, but would get better and better with their new qb and new playmakers. They derailed the locomotive known as the Auburn Tigers, defeated a solid GA Tech team, and won their bowl game vs. VA Tech. The defending SEC champs were in a similar "rebuild mode" (or refilling the cupboard mode), but 9-4 turned out to be not so bad, after all. The following season, UGA barely missed out on an SEC c'ship game and what might have even been a repeat and a long awaited shot at the BCS c'ship. They still played well enough and gathered enough respect to play in the Sugar Bowl. Thanks to Stafford's arm and Moreno's newly discovered legs, the Dawgs were arguably one of the best 2-3 teams in 2007; just a year after a majorly disappointing losing stretch. Now, UGA is once again top 5-10 material, despite a poor performance against Bama. Perhaps their 4 SEC losses give each of you a "Ewwwww, no way...that's not us!" sort of thought, but think a bit deeper.

J. Lee is Matthew Stafford, in ways...a highly-touted Texan with a cannon and a "throw you into the fire" role to star in. He's looked awful and SEC speed has done a great job of being deception's best ally. Nonetheless, he's improving and getting familiar with his playmakers. At times, he looks down right scary good. I am not advocating that this LSU team will lose four games or that Lee will be exactly what Stafford was, but after last night...what would be so unimaginable? 2006 UGA was hardly impressive, coming off the end of an SEC east mini-dynasty team with the likes of Pollack, T. Davis, D. Greene, R. Brown, B. Watson, G. Blue, etc. LSU, in the eyes of the nation, is hardly impressive, either. UGA fought hard to finish with 9 wins when they looked like 6 would be reasonable. Now, LSU must fight hard to not get drummed again. LSU must fight hard to finsih strong. What is strong for this team? I still do not know that question. Maybe we shall know when Lee faces Stafford in two weeks?

Like you all have said, if we had to lose one...we picked the right game. What we do from here is based on how well we handle adversity. How thick is this team's collective skin?

For those of you idealists who have visions of Miami dancing in your head and believe the above analogy is non-applicable (and don't want to eat Chic Filet for three days/roll dice in Shreveport and then turn around and drive home/visit the Elvis museum and eat bad bbq), here's a "germanic" point: 2003's lone loss came to Florida. The next week, LSU's backs were against the wall in Columbia, S.C. LSU found its new identity and confidence and blasted Holtz's Cocks 31-7. It would be the beginning of a powerful domino effect that would carry LSU into a new level of football, as they would punish Auburn, embarrass and avenge a collapse to Bama, and make Arkansas look like Arkansas State. The Tigers would also come out ready to play against an inferior LA Tech squad and triumph over an Ole Miss team in the biggest game in Oxford, MS's history. These wins gave LSU its swagger and helped them win two awesomely big post season games. 2003 LSU knew just what to do with adversity...punch it in the mouth, as the late Marquis Hill would probably still say.

Thanks for reading. I just felt like putting an old spin on a newer subject.


This post was edited on 10/13/08 at 2:01 am
Posted by lsutigerbrian
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 10/13/08 at 12:11 am to
Cliffnotes?
Posted by Bayoubengal86
Member since Jul 2008
746 posts
Posted on 10/13/08 at 12:15 am to
Good Post
Posted by AlexLSU
Member since Jan 2005
25341 posts
Posted on 10/13/08 at 12:16 am to
I read briefly, but there's already a few differences that jump out:

1. UGA had no identity at running back that year. Essentially, Stafford was by himself with a bunch of guys who were good at times (Lumpkin, Brown, Ware) fighting to prove one was the top guy. We, on the other hand, have Charles Scott. We've go the best running back/offensive line combo in the league. We don't rely on Lee nearly as much as UGA relied on Stafford.

2. Our trenches are far more talented than UGA's trenches. This team has the most talented offensive and defensive line in the country.

If we lose 4 games, this season is a complete and utter failure. I will set myself on fire.
Posted by PiscesTiger
Concrete, WA
Member since Feb 2004
53696 posts
Posted on 10/13/08 at 12:16 am to
Thanks bayou. How goes it in Vivian? I saw where NC got drilled by Evangel...those two should not be in the same district....whats the overall feeling of the citizens about NC football?
Posted by Bayoubengal86
Member since Jul 2008
746 posts
Posted on 10/13/08 at 12:23 am to
No Talent but going back to the wing T offense isn't bad...oh I know we don't ever expect to beat evangel or calvary in our district.
Posted by PiscesTiger
Concrete, WA
Member since Feb 2004
53696 posts
Posted on 10/13/08 at 12:23 am to
quote:

UGA had no identity at running back that year. Essentially, Stafford was by himself with a bunch of guys who were good at times (Lumpkin, Brown, Ware) fighting to prove one was the top guy.


Ehhh...I dunno if we'll agree here. Lumpkin was the 2nd TB for much of 2003. Brown and Ware were basically proven. No, they're not Charles Scott....then again, who only had 35 yards rushing last night? The teams are quite different, I will agree. The situations, to me, are getting a little bit similar, though.


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Our trenches are far more talented than UGA's trenches. This team has the most talented offensive and defensive line in the country.


Well, agreed, but UGA lost its two best defensive players from '04. LSU, arguably did the same with Dorsey and Highsmith. Again, not really trying to compare these teams position by position.

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If we lose 4 games, this season is a complete and utter failure.


I disagree. Unless Tulane, Arkansas, and Ole Miss are in that mix, then this is a likley scenario. If we lose to UGA and Bama and then, say, make the Cotton Bowl and lose to a team like Oklahoma State...I don't see it as failure. Failure and disappointment are not the same. I would be quite down with 9-4, myself...but I was one who like a few others, believed that this wasn't a NC contender and 9 wins was about right. '06 UGA, starting out 5-0, probably would have said that 9 wins would be failure...beating up on little sisters of the poor is a quick way to get 5-0. LSU got its first 4 in a similar fashion.

quote:

I will set myself on fire.




Posted by Tigerbait337
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2008
20535 posts
Posted on 10/13/08 at 12:27 am to
Nice post
Posted by AlexLSU
Member since Jan 2005
25341 posts
Posted on 10/13/08 at 12:27 am to
quote:

Ehhh...I dunno if we'll agree here. Lumpkin was the 2nd TB for much of 2003. Brown and Ware were basically proven. No, they're not Charles Scott....then again, who only had 35 yards rushing last night? The teams are quite different, I will agree. The situations, to me, are getting a little bit similar, though.


Fair enough

quote:

Well, agreed, but UGA lost its two best defensive players from '04. LSU, arguably did the same with Dorsey and Highsmith. Again, not really trying to compare these teams position by position.


Okie dokie

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I disagree. Unless Tulane, Arkansas, and Ole Miss are in that mix, then this is a likley scenario. If we lose to UGA and Bama and then, say, make the Cotton Bowl and lose to a team like Oklahoma State...I don't see it as failure. Failure and disappointment are not the same. I would be quite down with 9-4, myself...but I was one who like a few others, believed that this wasn't a NC contender and 9 wins was about right. '06 UGA, starting out 5-0, probably would have said that 9 wins would be failure...beating up on little sisters of the poor is a quick way to get 5-0. LSU got its first 4 in a similar fashion.


But if we lose to Bama, UF, and UGA, we essentially will lose to every good team we played all year. Going winless against all the good teams you play when you're LSU at this point is a complete failure.
Posted by Bayoubengal86
Member since Jul 2008
746 posts
Posted on 10/13/08 at 12:29 am to
I felt last night like I did in '06 when we played Florida....Tons of Talent nothing too show for it
This post was edited on 10/13/08 at 12:30 am
Posted by AlexLSU
Member since Jan 2005
25341 posts
Posted on 10/13/08 at 12:32 am to
quote:

I felt last night like I did in '06 when we played Florida....Tons of Talent nothing too show for it


We gave that game away.

We were raped on Saturday.
Posted by Hideo Nomo
Put up both hands, drop one thumb
Member since Apr 2008
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Posted on 10/13/08 at 12:36 am to
quote:

We, on the other hand, have Charles Scott. We've go the best running back/offensive line combo in the league.


Do you still believe that?
Posted by TIGERSofCHAOS
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2008
838 posts
Posted on 10/13/08 at 12:36 am to
That was a very good post. I enjoyed reading it.
Posted by Bayoubengal86
Member since Jul 2008
746 posts
Posted on 10/13/08 at 12:37 am to
That must have been a different O-line last night because UF got ressure all the time and O-line couldn't make a hole big enough for trindon much less Scott
Posted by PiscesTiger
Concrete, WA
Member since Feb 2004
53696 posts
Posted on 10/13/08 at 12:37 am to
quote:

But if we lose to Bama, UF, and UGA, we essentially will lose to every good team we played all year. Going winless against all the good teams you play when you're LSU at this point is a complete failure.


Just to play devil's advocate, think back to 2004. We won the NC the year before and lost many key people. The three losses in '04 were to our three best opponents...our only impressive win was over a Florida team that was below standards of the modern gator era. The fact that it was on the road and a week after a humiliation in Athens is what gives it some sexiness. The only other wins against a winning team - Oregon State and Bama. This year's team, if losing occurs vs. UGA and Bama, may have to fall back on Auburn or even an Ole Miss to claim its best win.

It's just tough to repeat after a NC season and not so much the record and results, but the breaks, the swagger, and the rest of the national picture. I thought '04 had a tougher task ahead of them than this team, but after last night, I'm not so sure. I think our co-DC's are disasters; 2004 had Muschamp back and several all-SEC standouts. 9 wins in 2004 was a good season; just felt like a disappointment after winning 13. If this team goes 9-4 or 10-3, I think I'd have to set something else on fire other than myself.
Posted by Rocket
Member since Mar 2004
61117 posts
Posted on 10/13/08 at 12:38 am to
I think Brother Bill is gonna be rough on us in the morning.

If we have to make a DC change at the end of the season, who would you go after?
Posted by T-BRO
Cleveland, TX
Member since Sep 2003
1644 posts
Posted on 10/13/08 at 12:42 am to
Thanks for the new sig.

You are truly awesome.

Posted by AlexLSU
Member since Jan 2005
25341 posts
Posted on 10/13/08 at 12:42 am to
First to Hideo, yes, I still believe that. The only other team that's close if Bama with their line and Coffee.

Pisces, the 2004 team is who I always brought up in regards to this team. I think this team is very similar to that team, but with a lot better overall talent. The 2004 team was awkward as hell, but they were basically an odd call and a missed XP away from playing in the SECCG. That shows the typical character of an LSU football team. We got beat badly by UGA's best team this decade IMO (maybe 2002), by a 14-0 squad on their home turf, and in a bowl game on a last second play. We were that close to a fantastic season with basically weaker players at every position.

This team cannot lose four games. I mean it can obviously, but it shouldn't. There is no excuse for a young, and I do stress YOUNG Bama team, and a UGA team with a struggling offense at times to come into Tiger Stadium and beat us. One is understandable, two is unacceptable.
Posted by PiscesTiger
Concrete, WA
Member since Feb 2004
53696 posts
Posted on 10/13/08 at 12:49 am to
quote:

I think Brother Bill is gonna be rough on us in the morning.


One of our best critics....you'll have to fill me in on what he says. He'll probably formulate the best conclusion as to why and how.

quote:

If we have to make a DC change at the end of the season, who would you go after?


I'm not sure, but it needs to be someone with experience and not a promotion from a line coach or special teams coach. Who do you think? I'd love for Tubbs to get canned and then we get him...that won't happen, but nice to dream.

My philosophy is this:

We hired/promoted within because we bought into the thinking of "they'll stick with Bo's scheme". Well, I could be a defensive coordinator at LSU if I did what my mentor did as far as running the same scheme and inserting returning starters. This goes way beyond scheme. It's clear to me that Mallveto just isn't expeirenced enough to know what to do and when to do it. The product looks great just before the first play of the game and even running out of the tunnel. Last night was a clear case of mishandling the product. There was no 'UMPH' that we're so accustomed to seeing from '03 until last year's Sugar Bowl. Pelini had his critics from day one until January 7th, 2008, but he didn't dropp off from what we mostly saw from Muschamp and Saban. Last night, and these past three weeks, I saw that dropoff.

I'm rambling...bottom line is we need a guy who can kick arse and take names and doesn't need a two letter prefix in front of his job title.
Posted by Rocket
Member since Mar 2004
61117 posts
Posted on 10/13/08 at 12:52 am to
Depends on who all is available but one of my top picks would be Brian VanGorder.
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