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Tyson Chandler for Shawn Marion?
Posted on 2/6/09 at 7:38 am
Posted on 2/6/09 at 7:38 am
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And word comes now that another matter for Miami to consider is the prospect of sending Marion to New Orleans for a package headlined by Tyson Chandler.
There have been no firm indications that such a swap is imminent, but it's a scenario mentioned more than once in the past week. And that's probably because acquiring Chandler would be consistent with Pat Riley's well-known preference to bring back proven size if he parts with Marion's $17.8 million expiring contract before the deadline.
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Is Chandler good enough for Riley to bend his 2010 policy? Would he sufficiently fill Miami's void inside and give Dwyane Wade more reason to re-sign with the Heat in the summer of 2010? Debatable.
There are cons for the Hornets, as well. Can they really part with a big man of Chandler's ability, given how little they have behind Chandler and David West, for a player who could leave them in free agency this summer?
Yet sources close to the situation refuse to rule out Chandler's departure. Chris Paul and West, sources say, are the Hornets' only two untouchables.
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So which bench schmuck would start at center if this happened? Hilton?
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Posted on 2/6/09 at 7:42 am to Augustus
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a big man of Chandler's ability
i mean marks/bowen/hilton suck, but speaking of chandler as "a big man of Chandler's ability" is funny
paul may make marion enjoy himself again finally, but he would eventually get mad being a 3rd wheel
Posted on 2/6/09 at 8:06 am to SlowFlowPro
Would be a great move for Miami IMO. They would then have Beasley and CHandler with Haslem being able to probably sub for both of them. and still have Wade at the 2 and Chalmers with another year at the Point. If they made a move to get another solid 3 to replace Marian, they would be a contender with that trade IMO.
Posted on 2/6/09 at 10:09 am to Palm Beach Tiger
You're assuming Chandler wouldn't be a baby back bitch
Posted on 2/6/09 at 11:13 am to Augustus
I don't see why the Hornets would make this move now - it would basically be giving up on this season and trying to improve for the future. But why not wait until the offseason to do that?
When the Hornets are 100% healthy they are arguably the 3rd best team in the West. I know it's easy to forget that after the past 2 weeks, but it's true. We've beaten the Lakers, Cavs, Blazers, Nuggets, Mavs, Spurs, Suns, and Rockets when healthy. No reason we couldn't push San Antonio to another long series in the Western Semis. Is there really anything wrong with that? It's profitable and fun and rallies the city. Or what if we get the #4 seed and draw the Lakers in the 2nd round? That would be a ton of fun and very good for the Hornets. Are we really going to roll the dice on a scenario that has basically no chance of improving our short-term outlook and screw that up?
Are we going to make the Finals? No, but there's no reason to panic in my opinion. Sit back and enjoy this mildly disappointing year of making the playoffs and probably getting to the 2nd round.
Finally, I'm pretty skeptical that George Shinn would be willing to "trade down" in character this way. Marion is completely self-centered and Tyson is a definite "team guy". Maybe the business side of it would overwhelm this angle, but I suspect not.
The ONLY way this deal makes any sense is if we can throw in Peja or MoPete to help match and get some filler in return. I'd even throw in a 2010 first rounder if that helped us dump Peja.
Finally, I think that everybody is panicking. This is a bad stretch but we're still there as the 5th seed and only a few games back from where we were. We're better than the teams beneath us and have a more favorable 2nd half schedule than they do.
What if the Philadelphia Eagles had panicked and blown up their team in Week 9? I know the trade deadline is earlier in the NFL but my point is the same. Teams sometimes take a while to gel. The Hornets are a veteran team that WILL step up in the stretch as Philly did.
When the Hornets are 100% healthy they are arguably the 3rd best team in the West. I know it's easy to forget that after the past 2 weeks, but it's true. We've beaten the Lakers, Cavs, Blazers, Nuggets, Mavs, Spurs, Suns, and Rockets when healthy. No reason we couldn't push San Antonio to another long series in the Western Semis. Is there really anything wrong with that? It's profitable and fun and rallies the city. Or what if we get the #4 seed and draw the Lakers in the 2nd round? That would be a ton of fun and very good for the Hornets. Are we really going to roll the dice on a scenario that has basically no chance of improving our short-term outlook and screw that up?
Are we going to make the Finals? No, but there's no reason to panic in my opinion. Sit back and enjoy this mildly disappointing year of making the playoffs and probably getting to the 2nd round.
Finally, I'm pretty skeptical that George Shinn would be willing to "trade down" in character this way. Marion is completely self-centered and Tyson is a definite "team guy". Maybe the business side of it would overwhelm this angle, but I suspect not.
The ONLY way this deal makes any sense is if we can throw in Peja or MoPete to help match and get some filler in return. I'd even throw in a 2010 first rounder if that helped us dump Peja.
Finally, I think that everybody is panicking. This is a bad stretch but we're still there as the 5th seed and only a few games back from where we were. We're better than the teams beneath us and have a more favorable 2nd half schedule than they do.
What if the Philadelphia Eagles had panicked and blown up their team in Week 9? I know the trade deadline is earlier in the NFL but my point is the same. Teams sometimes take a while to gel. The Hornets are a veteran team that WILL step up in the stretch as Philly did.
This post was edited on 2/6/09 at 11:21 am
Posted on 2/6/09 at 11:22 am to AlejandroInHouston
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The ONLY way this deal makes any sense is if we can throw in Peja or MoPete to help match and get some filler in return. I'd even throw in a 2010 first rounder if that helped us dump Peja.
i would make this a necessity
if im the heat, why the frick not trade for peja and tyson if you think you can compete this year
that would give them chalmers wade peja beasley and tyson with haslem filling in at big
thats a pretty damn good lineup, plus it gives another strong outside shooter for them for when wade drives
even thought the blockbuster class is in 2010, there are still some big names up this year
could go after the likes of
sheed
jamal crawford
al harrington
hedo
jermaine oneal
boozer
okur
or, you could try to throw the bank at kobe, who is unrestricted fa this offseason, unless hes signed a deal or something that i missed out on
Posted on 2/6/09 at 11:35 am to Augustus
Marion's not getting any younger and his chemistry problems are well noted. Not to mention his play usually dropped off big time in the playoffs for the Suns. This would be really one sided for Miami.
Posted on 2/6/09 at 11:55 am to Esarhaddon
Hornets are thoo thin up front to do this.
Posted on 2/6/09 at 12:02 pm to Augustus
so your telling me we get to dump our second best center, and an awful contract for a pretty good player when he is happy? and oh by the way, his contract is up at the end of the year?
i couldnt make that trade fast enough
i couldnt make that trade fast enough
Posted on 2/6/09 at 12:04 pm to AlejandroInHouston
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The Hornets are a veteran team that WILL step up in the stretch as Philly did.
NO, Not as currently constructed. we still make the playoffs but we go down in the first round to the spurs or the lakers no contest
Posted on 2/6/09 at 12:07 pm to mburne4
agree with both posts burne
Posted on 2/6/09 at 12:09 pm to mburne4
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so your telling me we get to dump our second best center, and an awful contract for a pretty good player when he is happy?
So you're happy with Hilton Armstrong, Sean Marks, and Bowen? Fine with me, but we would have to play a much more up tempo style for it to work, which is what i've been saying all along.
Posted on 2/6/09 at 12:16 pm to Esarhaddon
im a hilton fan as of now. he has been outplaying chandler by miles in the little time he has seen. he still makes alot of stupid fouls, and his hands need to get quicker to grab passes, but he gives more options than chadler, and puts out a hell of alot more effort.
marks i could throw off a bridge and not care, and i like RyBo for what he is a hustle guy that gives you a spark.
and we really need to get back to the fast paced offense we ran last year when we were blowing people out. weve slowed the pace big time this year, and now we dont run an offense at all
marks i could throw off a bridge and not care, and i like RyBo for what he is a hustle guy that gives you a spark.
and we really need to get back to the fast paced offense we ran last year when we were blowing people out. weve slowed the pace big time this year, and now we dont run an offense at all
Posted on 2/6/09 at 12:18 pm to Esarhaddon
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So you're happy with Hilton Armstrong, Sean Marks, and Bowen? Fine with me, but we would have to play a much more up tempo style for it to work, which is what i've been saying all along.
or we could make a move for a big
everyone knew bower fricked up this offseason, and that we werent going to win the west with this team
we have bowen brown ely and marks that are all expiring
find a team with a center that is trying to create cap space and voila. it can be done, its just a matter of if we want to get it done or not
marcus camby is out there, as well as sheed. there are options just have to work them
Posted on 2/6/09 at 12:23 pm to mburne4
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and we really need to get back to the fast paced offense we ran last year when we were blowing people out. weve slowed the pace big time this year, and now we dont run an offense at all
Yeah we look slow now against teams like the Warriors, Bulls, etc. which is really frustrating. It's basically a team of stand still jumpshooters now, so we have to play perfect to beat above avg teams and are more likely to lose to bad teams.
Posted on 2/6/09 at 12:24 pm to Esarhaddon
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Yeah we look slow now against teams like the Warriors, Bulls, etc. which is really frustrating. It's basically a team of stand still jumpshooters now, so we have to play perfect to beat above avg teams and are more likely to lose to bad teams.
hence why a move for marion and a move for a big would make this a great deal
Posted on 2/6/09 at 12:25 pm to Ron Mexico
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everyone knew bower fricked up this offseason, and that we werent going to win the west with this team
i dont think it was this offseason as much as a couple of seasons ago. we are trapped under some just god awful contracts between tyson peja and Mo.
i mean hell we didnt even have enough room to re-sign a back up point guard who nobody else in the NBA really wanted.
By the way, if we could get our hands on marcus camby i think i would explode from the happiness
Posted on 2/6/09 at 12:26 pm to Ron Mexico
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hence why a move for marion and a move for a big would make this a great deal
I'm down with that if we can make that happen
Posted on 2/6/09 at 12:28 pm to mburne4
im serious, if we could somehow get the heat to take peja, which i think would make them a very dangerous 3-4 seed in the east with chalmers, wade, peja beasley and tyson, and we could get back some fillin like maybe daequan cook with marion, and then go give the clippers a bunch of horseshite to make the numbers work, why not
the clippers are in the midst of a disastrous season and would love to dump salary
the clippers are in the midst of a disastrous season and would love to dump salary
Posted on 2/6/09 at 12:30 pm to Esarhaddon
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Yeah we look slow now against teams like the Warriors, Bulls, etc. which is really frustrating. It's basically a team of stand still jumpshooters now, so we have to play perfect to beat above avg teams and are more likely to lose to bad teams.
well the thing is, you can write CP3 and dwest in for 20 to 25 points a night, but that means we have to rely on an unreliable peja for another 22, which is about a 50/50 shot (not counting this little hot streak he's been on)
i think if scott actually introduced an offense and let paul run it we'd score close to 100 a night. but we dont run an offense we play playground basketball, except the movement on the playground is better.
another dynamic player would help us out in a big way
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