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For those opposed to offshore Oil Drilling
Posted on 5/12/10 at 9:51 pm
Posted on 5/12/10 at 9:51 pm
Let's chat.....
Tell me what are you willing to give up?
Did you know that 87% of your energy comes from hydrocarbons. 40 years ago 87% of your energy came from hydrocarbons and 20 years from now 87% of your energy will come from hydrocarbons.
Alternative fuels is NOT THE ANSWER....at least now it is not, the technology is not there and the only reason companies are spending the money is due to government subsidies. It is what it is for now.
That beign said, what are you willing to give up to continue to fight this losing battle?
Are you willing to significantly alter your way of life? the American way of life?
Are you actually familiar with what Oil and gas is used for and how many of your daily items are made from oil by products?
Are you willing to park your car for good?
turn off your heat?
stop using rubber and many plastic products.
And by stop I mean right now all at once?
this is what you will have to do to stop your dependency of Oil.... and please your president and his administration is uneducated at best on energy policy (just wanted to throw that out there).
Do you want to stop drilling so we rely more on foriegn oil? Becuase this is the end result...
Do you realize that means spending billions upon billions up billions of dollars with countries that want us (America) dead?!!?
Do you want to send that money to countries such as Venezuela,Russia, Nigeria which in turn funds terrorism that kills our innocent civilians??!!
Do you remember 911? Let's never forget!
Because if you think this is not the case....you are just plain delusional...
Stopping drilling just makes our country weaker from a dependency stand point as well as from a security standpoint.
Is this what we really want? If so, why?
I hate the fact that this has happened. I am a huge steward of the sea and our natural resources as a state. I feel deeply for our commerical fisherman, oysterman and shrimpers.
This is not fair, we had Katrina to deal with, why this now...
but as with Katrina, it was not a matter of if but when, we also knew this was a possibility...
Louisiana is worth saving, it is too important to this country and it takes all the risk... gladly.
It is not perfect... nothing is. People died here, let's not forget!!
We will overcome, we will stand up and lead the way like we always have.
But back to my question America.....
What are you willing to give up to stop drilling now?
Tell me what are you willing to give up?
Did you know that 87% of your energy comes from hydrocarbons. 40 years ago 87% of your energy came from hydrocarbons and 20 years from now 87% of your energy will come from hydrocarbons.
Alternative fuels is NOT THE ANSWER....at least now it is not, the technology is not there and the only reason companies are spending the money is due to government subsidies. It is what it is for now.
That beign said, what are you willing to give up to continue to fight this losing battle?
Are you willing to significantly alter your way of life? the American way of life?
Are you actually familiar with what Oil and gas is used for and how many of your daily items are made from oil by products?
Are you willing to park your car for good?
turn off your heat?
stop using rubber and many plastic products.
And by stop I mean right now all at once?
this is what you will have to do to stop your dependency of Oil.... and please your president and his administration is uneducated at best on energy policy (just wanted to throw that out there).
Do you want to stop drilling so we rely more on foriegn oil? Becuase this is the end result...
Do you realize that means spending billions upon billions up billions of dollars with countries that want us (America) dead?!!?
Do you want to send that money to countries such as Venezuela,Russia, Nigeria which in turn funds terrorism that kills our innocent civilians??!!
Do you remember 911? Let's never forget!
Because if you think this is not the case....you are just plain delusional...
Stopping drilling just makes our country weaker from a dependency stand point as well as from a security standpoint.
Is this what we really want? If so, why?
I hate the fact that this has happened. I am a huge steward of the sea and our natural resources as a state. I feel deeply for our commerical fisherman, oysterman and shrimpers.
This is not fair, we had Katrina to deal with, why this now...
but as with Katrina, it was not a matter of if but when, we also knew this was a possibility...
Louisiana is worth saving, it is too important to this country and it takes all the risk... gladly.
It is not perfect... nothing is. People died here, let's not forget!!
We will overcome, we will stand up and lead the way like we always have.
But back to my question America.....
What are you willing to give up to stop drilling now?
This post was edited on 5/12/10 at 9:53 pm
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Posted on 5/12/10 at 9:52 pm to back9Tiger
Yes
Posted on 5/12/10 at 9:57 pm to back9Tiger
Yes
Posted on 5/12/10 at 10:01 pm to back9Tiger
Not to beat a dead horse..but for me...what's more aggrivating..is not so much the people who appose drilling offshore...b/c there will always be a percentage who appose...even if this incident never happened..
What drives me absolutley nuts, is since this incident did happen, all of the dumb fricks who think they know everything and start pointing all of the blame and have all of the answers!!!
I wish we can round up all of the these motherfrickers... put them on a 250' supply boat and drive them out to location in 12' seas and put them to work!!!
That's my rant.
What drives me absolutley nuts, is since this incident did happen, all of the dumb fricks who think they know everything and start pointing all of the blame and have all of the answers!!!
I wish we can round up all of the these motherfrickers... put them on a 250' supply boat and drive them out to location in 12' seas and put them to work!!!
That's my rant.
Posted on 5/12/10 at 10:04 pm to DaphneTigah
Ha ha done that before...the reason I went back to college...tough work out there, no mercy!
Posted on 5/12/10 at 10:12 pm to back9Tiger
i'm not against offshore drilling but when you hear things like
it doesn't make one very confident
quote:
ocuments provided by BP indicated that "the blowout preventer apparently had a significant leak. This leak was found in the hydraulic system that provides emergency power to the shear rams, which are the devices that are supposed to cut the drill pipe and seal the well."
quote:
that committee also learned that the BOP had been modified in ways that apparently left BP befuddled, slowing their efforts to try to activate it after the accident, though Transocean President Steve Newman said the modifications had been made at BP's request and expense.
quote:
just after midnight the morning of April 20, Halliburton finished cementing the well. Waxman said that James Dupree, the BP senior vice president for the Gulf of Mexico, told the committee staff that a 5 p.m. pressure test, to determine whether any gas was leaking into the well through the cement or casing, had an unsatisfactory result, and a second test also discovered a disturbing imbalance between pressure in the drill pipe and in the kill and choke lines. Waxman said that while Dupree indicated that the well blew right after the second test, BP lawyers told the committee that additional tests were done and well operations resumed. Two hours later the well blew.
it doesn't make one very confident
Posted on 5/12/10 at 10:14 pm to back9Tiger
Well said, 9, well said...
Posted on 5/12/10 at 10:15 pm to Venicetiger
you do realize that we run more of risk of a major spill if we have to import foreign oil in huge tankers??
Posted on 5/12/10 at 10:16 pm to tgrbaitn08
quote:
you do realize that we run more of risk of a major spill if we have to import foreign oil in huge tankers??
no doubt
Posted on 5/12/10 at 10:22 pm to YatTigah
Right....see alaska, santa barbarba and austrilia. All huge tanker spills.
Posted on 5/12/10 at 10:22 pm to YatTigah
I admit I don't know much about drilling, but from the little I have read it seems like BP could have prevented the explosion at several points if they had followed normal procedures. Another thought on deep water drilling. Doesn't Shell have the most experience with this type of drilling? Have they ever had any problems?
Posted on 5/12/10 at 10:24 pm to RPC4LSU
There has never been an event like this in the GOM outside of mexico in 79. So no, not to this level. Let's remember BPs Texas City refinery that exploded a few yeara ago. This is their second huge event. Shell is probably number one in offshore production. But so was transocean.
Posted on 5/12/10 at 10:44 pm to back9Tiger
How much does the US use each year...7 billion barrels? There isn't anything available to replace that so no matter what anyone thinks we will continue to drill.
Posted on 5/12/10 at 11:05 pm to tgrbaitn08
quote:
you do realize that we run more of risk of a major spill if we have to import foreign oil in huge tankers??
We do import foreign oil in huge tankers.
Posted on 5/12/10 at 11:14 pm to Alatgr
quote:
We do import foreign oil in huge tankers.
No way?
Posted on 5/12/10 at 11:33 pm to back9Tiger
Extremely well put. People in general don't have a fricking clue that drilling for oil isn't just for fricking cars to run. They just whine and piss about this with no knowledge on the subject.
Posted on 5/13/10 at 5:33 am to Drew Orleans
Does anyone have data on accident rates of open water drilling platforms compared to tankers and on shore drilling? What about accident rates of similarly hazardous industries like mining and heavy construction?
I have a feeling that although the fallout has been record setting from this event, there is a much smaller chance of it happening versus say a tanker spill or a cave in.
I have a feeling that although the fallout has been record setting from this event, there is a much smaller chance of it happening versus say a tanker spill or a cave in.
Posted on 5/13/10 at 6:00 am to seawolf06
quote:
Does anyone have data on accident rates of open water drilling platforms compared to tankers and on shore drilling? What about accident rates of similarly hazardous industries like mining and heavy construction?
I have a personal blog away from this place, and a few days ago I wrote an article in response to some people badmouthing the oil and gas industry. The comment that really got to me was that this person said that the oil and gas industry was the most dangerous in the world. While it certainly has the potential to be just that, the stats just don't back it up.
While this isn't the exact information that you asked about seawolf, here's some numbers that I pulled from the BLS (Bureau of Labor Statistics) website. I couldn't find the 2009 report, but here's the link for the 2008 report:
2008 report
Here's some random industries and their number of fatalities for the year of 2008:
Crop production: 314
Mining: 176(mining also includes drilling oil and gas wells)
Forestry / Logging: 102
Building Construction: 206
Highway, street and bridge construction: 86
Food Manufacturing: 70
Paper Manufacturing: 15
Motor Vehicle and Parts Dealers: 59
Gas Stations: 38
Air Transport: 38
General Freight Trucking: 311
Real Estate: 54
Educational Services: 28
Auto Repair: 109
Drilling Oil and Gas Wells: 30
Keep in mind the massive amount of people that work in the GOM. I don't have the exact number, but another poster said that this is a very close number to the number actually reported. Nearly 2.5 million man hours are worked every month in the GOM. It breaks down to about 83,000 hours per day.
Posted on 5/13/10 at 6:01 am to seawolf06
I am against deep sea drilling until they figure out how to fix problems when drilling there. All their excuses are "wellllllllll, its too deeeeep", "we cant do that" - well crap you shouldn't be there if you cant do it.
I love it when you pro-drillers-despite-anything argue that we wouldnt have plastics and a thousand other things if we dont deep sea drill and then on the other side you argue that "its only a small fraction" and wont affect prices.
Three months from now I think there will be far fewer deep-sea-drilling advocates.
I love it when you pro-drillers-despite-anything argue that we wouldnt have plastics and a thousand other things if we dont deep sea drill and then on the other side you argue that "its only a small fraction" and wont affect prices.
Three months from now I think there will be far fewer deep-sea-drilling advocates.
Posted on 5/13/10 at 6:10 am to jeffsdad
Were talking about offshore drilling as a whole knucklehead. The only reason why it is deepsea now is because we've taken all the easy to get oil. I guess we should just stop and buy oil from terriorist nations... No one really wants to be in 5000 ft of water, since all your liberal politicians said don't drill anywhere else, this is the only option. Open up other areas where we can get to easier and safer to reach oil.the industry has a very safe record as a whole. Much better than the refining side...but I guess that is evil as well.
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