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re: Anonymous Xbox engineer explains DRM and Microsoft's Xbox One intentions
Posted on 6/14/13 at 2:36 pm to stout
Posted on 6/14/13 at 2:36 pm to stout
As long as there's another outlet to buy games from then there shouldn't be a problem at all with the model. We can make all the assumptions that we want that MS won't cut out the middle man but until I see it I won't believe it. I don't have faith in companies like that.
Not that I'm buying either console.
Not that I'm buying either console.
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Posted on 6/14/13 at 2:37 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Remember that target, Walmart and others stopped selling kindle products because they were a net losers for their stores. Xbox needs these retail stores more than amazon did.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 2:38 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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I could make a strong argument that even the information of a downloaded game that is written onto your hard drive is enough to constitute a physical good.
Go for it but do it somewhere else please.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 2:38 pm to Draconian Sanctions
argue til your blue in the face, still won't change the fact that in the next 5-8 years all video games will be sold digitally.
not if, but when.
I want to see you argue this so we can all have a good laugh this afternoon
not if, but when.
I want to see you argue this so we can all have a good laugh this afternoon
Posted on 6/14/13 at 2:39 pm to stout
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It's a GD digital key. Have you never bought MS points or PSN wallet cards at Gamestop and redeemed them to your account?
I have for both systems and in both cases either Sony or MS controls the gate. THEY control who can sell what on their system. That is completely different than on a pc where MicroSoft or whomever has virtually no say in anything.
I mean I guess Steam does , sorta.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 2:40 pm to C
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Xbox needs these retail stores more than amazon did.
now, maybe.
future, nope
Posted on 6/14/13 at 2:40 pm to stout
Stout, your putting up a good fight. Here's a nice article that backs up a lot of what you have explained.
LINK
Basically, as I have said in earlier posts, PS had nowhere to go but up, and in revealing that they waited on hearing what MS would announce and 1-up them to try to gain market share is hardly "winning". This guy nails it, Sony is making no money on their product, is going to be giving up 2 billion dollars worth of potential revenue and still going in the wrong direction for stockholders. Again, this is just someone's opinion, and when the holiday season hits we will start to see the true effect of the console wars, but I personally like the direction MS is taking. I want to see both do well, but pitting fanbois vs fanbois against each other to try to increase sales is going to backfire terribly.
LINK
Basically, as I have said in earlier posts, PS had nowhere to go but up, and in revealing that they waited on hearing what MS would announce and 1-up them to try to gain market share is hardly "winning". This guy nails it, Sony is making no money on their product, is going to be giving up 2 billion dollars worth of potential revenue and still going in the wrong direction for stockholders. Again, this is just someone's opinion, and when the holiday season hits we will start to see the true effect of the console wars, but I personally like the direction MS is taking. I want to see both do well, but pitting fanbois vs fanbois against each other to try to increase sales is going to backfire terribly.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 2:41 pm to Klark Kent
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argue til your blue in the face, still won't change the fact that in the next 5-8 years all video games will be sold digitally.
not if, but when.
I want to see you argue this so we can all have a good laugh this afternoon
I never suggested otherwise. What I said is that even then it's a stretch to say that this shift means games are no longer part of the physical property realm and now fall under intellectual property law.
I'm not telling you this as a PS4 fanboy, I'm telling you this as a Lawyer.
This post was edited on 6/14/13 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 6/14/13 at 2:43 pm to BTHog
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THEY control who can sell what on their system.
I will tell you the same thing I told Homey21 a few pages back
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ring ring
EA: Hello
MS: Hey, EA
EA: Yea?
MS: We want to tell you that you can no longer allow anyone but us to sale your digital keys for games on our console
EA: GFY!
How fricking ignorant does that sound?
I mean seriously. I could really see Activision and EA, both Fortune 500 companies, saying "well if you say so, Xbox" "Yessir masser"
This post was edited on 6/14/13 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 6/14/13 at 2:44 pm to MOJO mod
Thanks. I will check the link out in a second.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 2:44 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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I'm not telling you this as a PS4 fanboy, I'm telling you this as a Lawyer
Ummmmm....."What's Law got to do with it?"
Shameless I know.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 2:45 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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I'm telling you this as a Lawyer.
What's your area of practice?
Posted on 6/14/13 at 2:47 pm to stout
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How fricking ignorant does that sound?
Talk about ignorant.
I'm saying that EA can sell whatever they want, but if MS decides they only want to honor keys from A, B, or C. Then D-Z are shite out of luck.
I'm not even suggesting that I think this is likely to happen. Merely that it CAN happen.
The phone call would probably be more along the lines of this
EA: Hello?
MS: Hey, it's MS. We want to discuss with you limiting our digital partners to A,B, and C so that we can more closely protect the profits of all interested parties.
EA: That sounds good, real good. We can't afford to lose our profits either.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 2:50 pm to BTHog
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but if MS decides they only want to honor keys from A, B, or C. Then D-Z are shite out of luck.
Then MS has no publishers making games for their console. Sounds like a sound business strategy to me.
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MS: Hey, it's MS. We want to discuss with you limiting our digital partners to A,B, and C so that we can more closely protect the profits of all interested parties.
EA: That sounds good, real good. We can't afford to lose our profits either.
I know one thing, if I was in the manufacturing business, I would no doubt want my product in as few retail outlets as possible. Once again a very sound business strategy.
ETA and how would they lose profits when MS is PROMISING them they will make a profit off of every key on their console?
Please explain that one.
This post was edited on 6/14/13 at 2:51 pm
Posted on 6/14/13 at 2:52 pm to MOJO mod
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Stout, your putting up a good fight. Here's a nice article that backs up a lot of what you have explained.
LINK
The comments at the end of that article let me know this country will not run out of burger flippers anytime soon.
This post was edited on 6/14/13 at 2:55 pm
Posted on 6/14/13 at 3:00 pm to stout
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Then MS has no publishers making games for their console. Sounds like a sound business strategy to me.
We're talking about retailers, not publishers
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I know one thing, if I was in the manufacturing business, I would no doubt want my product in as few retail outlets as possible. Once again a very sound business strategy.
Well, there is something to be said for exclusiveness but that is not what we're talking about here.
Do you think EA game sales drop one whit if GameStop isn't selling games anymore? Of course not. Wal Mart , I'd say they are a must have partner, but not every retailer is.
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ETA and how would they lose profits when MS is PROMISING them they will make a profit off of every key on their console?
What are they promising them? I've seen nothing of the sort. Have they promised them a dollar amount per key sold? If so then there goes the theory that game prices will drop once digital is the norm.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 3:09 pm to BTHog
Chart from that link someone posted earlier
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Microsoft is responding to this industry-wide decline in video game sales by offering an alternative distribution model.
This post was edited on 6/14/13 at 3:10 pm
Posted on 6/14/13 at 3:09 pm to BTHog
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We're talking about retailers, not publishers
Another point that went sailing over your head.
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Do you think EA game sales drop one whit if GameStop isn't selling games anymore? Of course not. Wal Mart , I'd say they are a must have partner, but not every retailer is.
I don't know what to tell you anymore because you clearly miss the points. It's all common sense to me but I have been in business for myself since I was 20 (33 now)and that even includes two retail (3 if you count selling my spec and flip houses) businesses. No way would I limit my product exposure. That's just pure ignorance and shows you are either arguing for the sake of arguing and ran out of legit ammo or you are just too stupid to get it. At this point I am not sure.
Either way I have tried to make you understand for multiple pages now and I am finished. You don't or just won't get it.
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What are they promising them? I've seen nothing of the sort. Have they promised them a dollar amount per key sold? If so then there goes the theory that game prices will drop once digital is the norm.
I don't understand how people can jump into a topic without reading at the very least the OP.
It's in there for you if you go look.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 3:25 pm to stout
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] If we say "Hey publishers, you limit game to 39.99, we ensure every license transfer you get 10$, gamestop gets 20$" that is a decent model... Microsoft gets a license fee on first and subsequent game purchases, compared to just first now? That's a revenue increase.
I read this as speculation on his part, initially.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 3:33 pm to brucevilanch
seems relevant
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