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re: PGA denying waivers to the LIV’s first event
Posted on 5/10/22 at 9:37 pm to lsupride87
Posted on 5/10/22 at 9:37 pm to lsupride87
My whole point is that the PGA is taking a chance here. A gamble they may not have to take unless they were stuck on keeping the current hierarchy at all costs. It’s short sighted imo with so much money on the table elsewhere.
ETA: if they don’t want to pay out what other tours are willing a to and not allow exemptions to those tours, this is the consequence. The majors, even the PGA itself, doesn’t use to adhere to those standards.
ETA: if they don’t want to pay out what other tours are willing a to and not allow exemptions to those tours, this is the consequence. The majors, even the PGA itself, doesn’t use to adhere to those standards.
This post was edited on 5/10/22 at 9:44 pm
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Posted on 5/10/22 at 9:38 pm to lsupride87
Of course that’s their goal. It’s the goal of Apple to crush Microsoft.
We are just saying that the strategy the Tour is appearing to take is a bold and risky one. It may pay off but it’s risky.
Its not like this was their only option
We are just saying that the strategy the Tour is appearing to take is a bold and risky one. It may pay off but it’s risky.
Its not like this was their only option
This post was edited on 5/10/22 at 9:40 pm
Posted on 5/10/22 at 9:42 pm to threeputt
quote:We will just have to agree to disagree
Its not like this was their only option
I think their only option is/was to keep LIV from ever truly getting rolling with any current stars
Posted on 5/10/22 at 9:45 pm to threeputt
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I think the tour is about to get it handed to them.
PGA tour players pay an annual membership fee to the pga. The pga can practically do what what they want with them. They are members of an organization so they have to follow what they say.
Posted on 5/10/22 at 9:47 pm to lsupride87
You really think that was the ONLY option?
Heaven forbid to get creative and crush LIV with their own ideas. I mean they only have had like a 100 year head start
Heaven forbid to get creative and crush LIV with their own ideas. I mean they only have had like a 100 year head start
Posted on 5/10/22 at 9:48 pm to BallChamp00
They aren’t owned by the PGA. But the PGA allows them to qualify for the card and be eligible for their tournaments. Seems like that system is about to be put it the test.
Posted on 5/10/22 at 9:48 pm to ell_13
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A gamble they may not have to take unless they were stuck on keeping the current hierarchy at all costs. It’s short sighted imo with so much money on the table elsewhere.
Or they are looking for the better interest of the players. If people think that this new LIV tour can payout all these big funds and stay afloat then they are gullible. They can’t even negotiate a tv deal because nobody wants too.
Posted on 5/10/22 at 9:49 pm to ell_13
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They aren’t owned by the PGA. But the PGA allows them to qualify for the card and be eligible for their tournaments. Seems like that system is about to be put it the test.
I never said they were owned. I said tour players are members of the organization.
Posted on 5/10/22 at 9:49 pm to threeputt
quote:Thats kinda what they are doing
Heaven forbid to get creative and crush LIV with their own ideas.
Posted on 5/10/22 at 9:51 pm to lsupride87
Meh, I guess your correct. I would think they are better and less expensive ways to do it. But you may be correct and this may eventually work out for the tour.
Posted on 5/10/22 at 9:53 pm to lsupride87
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How else can the PGA Tour compete with another tour willing to pay more money? Genuinely asking
History? Legacy? (Jon Rahm’s words btw)
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EAT: for example I’m an avid golf fan. I watch every weekend. But I don’t give a frick about the actual Tour. If the LIV got the better players, I would never watch a PGA event. They are dead in the water if they don’t draw a hard line and pray
Yea I feel like your opinion is very much in the minority.
Posted on 5/10/22 at 9:55 pm to PhiTiger1764
quote:So you feel like fans would watch the Byron Nelson this weekend, or the Wells Fargo, if there was a concurrent LIV event that had DJ, Rory, Rahm, Morikowa, JT playing in it?
Yea I feel like your opinion is very much in the minority.
This post was edited on 5/10/22 at 9:55 pm
Posted on 5/10/22 at 9:56 pm to PhiTiger1764
quote:Rahm also waited a veeerry long time to say that
History? Legacy? (Jon Rahm’s words btw)
That dude had one foot in the LIV water. Posted on 5/10/22 at 9:57 pm to lsupride87
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The PGA can’t survive with LIV. If morikowa can play LIV, make more money, and still play majors and other events he chooses how does the PGA Tour survive? I’m seriously asking. You said they don’t have to take this gamble, but how can they survive with LIV?
Bro. Stop posting the same thing over and over again.
It is very simple. A lot of players will just choose not to play LIV. The PGA Tour will be fine. It’s not going anywhere.
Posted on 5/10/22 at 9:59 pm to PhiTiger1764
quote:A lot of players will choose not to play LIV because of the current ramifications of the PGA Tour(and possibly other governing golf bodies), I agree. If those ramifications were lifted, I think LIV would overtake the PGA tour as the dominant tour if their money is what they say it is
It is very simple. A lot of players will just choose not to play LIV. The PGA Tour will be fine. It’s not going anywhere.
Posted on 5/10/22 at 10:03 pm to lsupride87
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if their money is what they say it is
If is the key. And highly unlikely. Why haven’t any tv deals happened? You may watch the first event on National Geographic.
Posted on 5/10/22 at 10:09 pm to BallChamp00
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If is the key. And highly unlikely.
The purses are posted, what do you mean if?
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Why haven’t any tv deals happened? You may watch the first event on National Geographic.
First event is on YouTube. Being Saudi backed is bad for PR, but it's really the only way something like this can be successful. They have the capital to front these huge purses and stream on YouTube.
The Saudis have the ability to incur the costs while showing proof of concept. Will it work, still up for debate, but a lot of you guys seem to be underestimating the pull of that money if these first couple of tournaments show potential
This post was edited on 5/10/22 at 10:13 pm
Posted on 5/10/22 at 10:09 pm to lsupride87
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If those ramifications were lifted, I think LIV would overtake the PGA tour as the dominant tour if their money is what they say it is
The Tour would innovate. Pay more money (they’ve already begun doing this). Guaranteed money for Tour players per event played (even with missed cut). Give players their media rights. Etc. Phil was right about this. There is a lot they can do..
Then there is still the issue of a non profit which donates millions to charity vs. Saudi blood money. Who is going to air these tournaments? There will be backlash in the United States for whoever pays to broadcast these events.
Posted on 5/10/22 at 10:12 pm to PhiTiger1764
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The Tour would innovate
Would they? When have they ever shown an initiative to innovate.
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Pay more money (they’ve already begun doing this). Guaranteed money for Tour players per event played (even with missed cut). Give players their media rights.
The Tour has constantly indicated they'd fight all of these issues to the death. Thinking they'd instantly just do an about face is a pretty dumb thing to say.
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There will be backlash in the United States for whoever pays to broadcast these events.
For 1-3 days maybe and then when all the good players are playing people will watch.
Posted on 5/10/22 at 10:14 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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The purses are posted, what do you mean if?
You can post a purse but the actuality of paying it out for the long haul is not sustainable here. YouTube. Lol. Congrats on the tv deal.
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