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Posted on 12/5/24 at 9:52 am to Mingo Was His NameO
lol we have studies showing more weight loss using seed oils
And it’s not idiotic, what’s idiotic is continuously harping metabolic health but every time we test BMR on people it’s pretty consistent. Just maybe TDEE matters and actually getting off ones fat arse and moving around might help
And it’s not idiotic, what’s idiotic is continuously harping metabolic health but every time we test BMR on people it’s pretty consistent. Just maybe TDEE matters and actually getting off ones fat arse and moving around might help
Posted on 12/5/24 at 9:55 am to lsu777
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ol we have studies showing more weight loss using seed oils
I’m not saying we don’t. You can absolutely lose weight eating seed oils.
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Just maybe TDEE matters and actually getting off ones fat arse and moving around might help
Of course. None of what you said changes my statement. You’re incapable of understanding nuance.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 11:39 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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I’m not saying we don’t. You can absolutely lose weight eating seed oils.
His biggest problem is he equates "losing weight" with being healthy. I can literally lose weight eating nothing but Snickers and Kit Kat's. It doesn't mean I am actually healthy. Those are two distinctly different things.
There is zero positive benefit to seed oils for health. The only benefit is to the food companies because it allows them to make more profit. Same with HFCS.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 12:27 pm to ronricks
Posted on 12/5/24 at 12:29 pm to lsu777
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They are 100% not why we have a health problem in this country as they don’t make you fatter…and good god are we fat overall
How can you admit that they’re inflammatory for the body in your OP then go on to contradict yourself with this?
This post was edited on 12/5/24 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 12/5/24 at 1:20 pm to Shepherd88
When I want a science based answer to health/fitness I go to the YouTube search bar and type in Dr. Lane Norton / Dr. Mike Israetel _______ (insert health issue).
Consensus, stop looking for the boogey man for all your health issues. It used to be fat, then it was carbs, then it was sugar, then it was artificial sweeteners (fk what can I drink), now it’s seed oils. Stop over eating and health issues get much better.
If we outlaw all seed oils and we fry everything with tallow, and calories consumed stay =, health issues likely won’t change
Consensus, stop looking for the boogey man for all your health issues. It used to be fat, then it was carbs, then it was sugar, then it was artificial sweeteners (fk what can I drink), now it’s seed oils. Stop over eating and health issues get much better.
If we outlaw all seed oils and we fry everything with tallow, and calories consumed stay =, health issues likely won’t change
Posted on 12/5/24 at 1:24 pm to Athletix
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If we outlaw all seed oils and we fry everything with tallow, and calories consumed stay =, health issues likely won’t change
If we get everyone skinnier on ding dongs and twinkies health issues will likely persist too. It’s not mutually exclusive
Posted on 12/5/24 at 1:35 pm to Athletix
Posted on 12/5/24 at 1:51 pm to Shepherd88
Inflammation doesn’t mean they make you fat.
I don’t understand your confusion
90% of the health problems in America could be solved by people not being fat
Sure seed oils aren’t great for you, but they aren’t causing you to overeat and certainly aren’t making people fat.
Not hard to understand
I don’t understand your confusion
90% of the health problems in America could be solved by people not being fat
Sure seed oils aren’t great for you, but they aren’t causing you to overeat and certainly aren’t making people fat.
Not hard to understand
Posted on 12/5/24 at 1:54 pm to lsu777
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Sure seed oils aren’t great for you, but they aren’t causing you to overeat
Again, certainly up for debate
Posted on 12/5/24 at 1:56 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
No you are incapable of not majoring in the minors
You and Ron both
Always worried about some stupid shite
Like I said…get down to below a true 15% bf on dexa, get your performance numbers up there as far as strength and vo2 max are concerned, and get your ffmi to 23+ or even 22 and consistently get 8k steps and then I’ll be more than happy to discuss improving certain aspects of you diet to correct blood markers
Until then…waste of time as they have much lower hanging fruit to grab onto
And seed oils are not that hard to avoid. If you go out, just have steak and some grilled veggies. Don’t eat processed shite at home, eat 90% of meals you cook.
You and Ron both
Always worried about some stupid shite
Like I said…get down to below a true 15% bf on dexa, get your performance numbers up there as far as strength and vo2 max are concerned, and get your ffmi to 23+ or even 22 and consistently get 8k steps and then I’ll be more than happy to discuss improving certain aspects of you diet to correct blood markers
Until then…waste of time as they have much lower hanging fruit to grab onto
And seed oils are not that hard to avoid. If you go out, just have steak and some grilled veggies. Don’t eat processed shite at home, eat 90% of meals you cook.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 1:57 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
Again based on what evidence?
Posted on 12/5/24 at 1:59 pm to Athletix
Thank you man.
I don’t understand why this is so hard to understand…
1) I don’t think seed oils are good for you
2) I don’t think they are that hard to avoid for the most part
3) people need to stop looking for something to blame. We are fat AF as a society because we eat too many calories in the form of fat and carbs, period. Also we under consume the one macro that we should be over consuming, protein.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 2:10 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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If we get everyone skinnier on ding dongs and twinkies health issues will likely persist too
This is false. There’s argument to be made about what’s worse for you when in calorie surplus, but if you lose weight you’ll be healthier. Period.
There was guy who did the Twinkie diet. All blood markers got better after 10 weeks of most of his intake being “junk” food. Lost a lot of weight and all his blood markers got better. Pretty sure this has been proven over a plethora of studies. Lose weight- doesn’t really matter how - get healthier.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 2:12 pm to lsu777
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You and Ron both
Ron has been Seed Oil free for 3 years now. I also cut out Sucralose and Ace K.
I feel better than I ever have including when I was on 12iu's of hGH a day. You can say this doesn't matter but I can assure you it does. You'd have to actually try it and stick to it first. I do not give two shits what Layne Norton says on these topics. If seed oils are fine and not harmful why not just go on an all seed oil diet?
Posted on 12/5/24 at 2:14 pm to Athletix
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but if you lose weight you’ll be healthier
This is just dumb for so many reasons.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 2:21 pm to lsu777
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No you are incapable of not majoring in the minors
I’m not majoring in the minors. I’ve always agreed with you on CICO. I just have the mental capacity to understand that in conjunction with metabolic health and how that can affect CICO.
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Always worried about some stupid shite
Seed oils aren’t “stupid shite.” There’s significant evidence they are horrible for you, all else equal
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Until then…waste of time as they have much lower hanging fruit to grab onto
It’s not a waste of time. It’s in conjunction with other things. Extremely easy to understand
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And seed oils are not that hard to avoid. If you go out, just have steak and some grilled veggies
I’d put a lot of money that the veggies have seed oils on them and likely the steak too.
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if you lose weight you’ll be healthie
Healthier/=healthy
This post was edited on 12/5/24 at 2:23 pm
Posted on 12/5/24 at 2:21 pm to ronricks
I have said 100 times that it matters
But what I’m saying is their is much lower hanging fruit
For people like you, this makes sense…for 90% of the people screaming seed oils…it doesn’t.
I just don’t find seed oil hard to avoid except when eating gumbo.
But what I’m saying is their is much lower hanging fruit
For people like you, this makes sense…for 90% of the people screaming seed oils…it doesn’t.
I just don’t find seed oil hard to avoid except when eating gumbo.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 2:26 pm to ronricks
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I do not give two shits what Layne Norton says on these topics.
That’s cool man. But most people are lying to themselves if they think they are getting their opinions from an impartial view of all literature available. There’s a handful of what I consider smart folks in the “evidence based” YouTube community. My opinions are mostly formed following them.
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If seed oils are fine and not harmful why not just go on an all seed oil diet?
This is like the South Park episode where the doctor eats the pure gluten and his dick flies off.
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