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re: Leigh had actually already signed with Clemson back in mid-December
Posted on 1/3/21 at 3:34 pm to I20goon
Posted on 1/3/21 at 3:34 pm to I20goon
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So she's claiming a ND was signed with NBC to not disclose Leigh signed with the Taters.
She’s saying that Leigh signed an NDA with NBC not to reveal his commitment prior to the broadcast.
I have no idea whether this is true, but if you put the “signing” aside for a moment and think in terms of a normal commitment, it starts to make more sense. Under normal circumstances, all he would be doing is delaying his announcement until the show (or game, if it were actually played). This makes sense from NBC’s perspective - they probably don’t want their production thrown into chaos because a bunch of players decided to announce their commitments on Twitter right before the broadcast.
The coaches wouldn’t know until the broadcast either unless he was a silent commit. And even if he WAS a silent commit (which is apparently the case here), the coaches wouldn’t be allowed to talk about it before he signed, so it wouldn’t be “public knowledge.”
It’s the signing piece of this that makes it messy. But her tweet used the word “commit,” not “sign.”
The questions I have are:
1. Did Leigh actually sign with Clemson during the early signing period, or was he just a silent commit? If he hasn’t actually signed, this is all pointless. Have Dabo/Clemson publicly acknowledged Leigh by name? That would be a big clue.
2. When was the NDA inked relative to the date that Leigh silently committed and/or signed?
3. If the NDA was inked prior to his commitment and/or LOI, how did he NDA affect that process? NDA’s usually have some cutout for “necessary” disclosure but the rules and requirements vary. Did he have to get permission from NBC? Did Clemson’s staff sign onto the NDA? That could open a whole different can of worms.
Regardless, I think there’s very little chance that NBC strong-armed Clemson and the ACC into becoming parties to that NDA. And if they somehow did, I think there’s even less chance that the NCAA uses that as a reason to go after Leigh’s other suitors. If anything it’ll lead to a rule change.
FWIW, this is apparently one of the provisions in the NLI:
quote:
I understand all participating conferences and institutions are obligated to respect my signing and shall cease contact with me and my family members after my signing this NLI which includes me and my family members not initiating contact with athletic staffs at other institutions. Any contact in excess of an exchange of a greeting is not permitted regardless of the conversation. The conversation does not have to result in recruiting discussion for a recruiting ban violation to occur. I shall notify any coach who contacts me that I have signed an NLI. Once I enroll in the institution named in this document, the NLI Recruiting Ban is no longer in effect and I shall be governed by applicable NCAA bylaws.
(P.S. - Not a lawyer. But I do have some experience dealing with NDA’s.)
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Posted on 1/3/21 at 3:41 pm to lostinbr
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Did Leigh actually sign with Clemson during the early signing period, or was he just a silent commit? If he hasn’t actually signed, this is all pointless. Have Dabo/Clemson publicly acknowledged Leigh by name? That would be a big clue.
Clemson has acknowledged him by name. He definitely signed.
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Welcome to the #ClemsonFamily, @Leigh71Tristan ??????????
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Posted on 1/3/21 at 4:15 pm to whitefoot
Yeah that’s pretty conclusive then. If he signed an NLI and did not notify any other coaches who continued to recruit him that he had already signed, then he violated the NLI. I don’t know if there’s any real penalty for that particular violation, though.
There’s also this part of the NLI:
I’m like 99% sure that compliance departments can verify whether a recruit has signed an NLI, either by checking with the NCAA Eligibility Center or through the NLI Office itself.
There’s also this part of the NLI:
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Additionally, I give my consent to the signing institution, to disclose to authorized representatives of its athletics conference (if any), the NCAA, the NCAA Eligibility Center and the NLI Office any documents or information pertaining to my NLI signing. Further, I give my consent to the NLI Office to disclose my name and personally identifiable information from my education records to a third party (including but not limited to the media) as necessary to correct any inaccuracies reported by the media or related to my NLI signing, without such disclosure constituting a violation of my rights, including my rights under the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act.
I’m like 99% sure that compliance departments can verify whether a recruit has signed an NLI, either by checking with the NCAA Eligibility Center or through the NLI Office itself.
Posted on 1/3/21 at 4:35 pm to lostinbr
quote:It could void the LOI. Which there's no consequences for. He just enrolls and continues on. LOI is voluntary so it wouldn't ultimately cause Leigh to lose anything, including any eligibility.
Yeah that’s pretty conclusive then. If he signed an NLI and did not notify any other coaches who continued to recruit him that he had already signed, then he violated the NLI. I don’t know if there’s any real penalty for that particular violation, though.
What a voided LOI would do is protect schools that contacted him from being penalized, if penalized. Even if not voided LSU or OU would just point to the provision you cited, which is literally on the form if I remember correctly, and cite his non-disclosure.
quote:They can. However, the NLI office is only REQUIRED under the circumstances where they are correcting erroneous information. And the consent is only from the school to the conference, NLI, and NCAA. I.e. it doesn't authorize Clemson to give to another school or another conference.
I’m like 99% sure that compliance departments can verify whether a recruit has signed an NLI, either by checking with the NCAA Eligibility Center or through the NLI Office itself.
The reason I brought up Zach Evans in a previous post is because there was a dissimilar but related issue with him last year. When 247 reported he "signed with UGA" schools, including LSU, stopped recruiting him. Turns out he hadn't signed an LOI. So a "friend in the media" could state something of the sort to get other schools to back off, presumably between the ESD and EE date/2nd signing date.
Without freely published database both of these situations with Leigh and Evans are liable to continue and probably become more frequent. Especially the Evans situation. I can see that becoming a very popular tactic.
This post was edited on 1/3/21 at 4:38 pm
Posted on 1/3/21 at 5:49 pm to LSUnation78
Wasn’t there a dead period following signing day through end of Dec where coaches couldn’t have contact with recruits? Arre you all sure the LSU coaches were actually speaking with Leigh during this time?
Posted on 1/3/21 at 6:47 pm to jbraua
POS played Smith and Nuss. hard.
Posted on 1/3/21 at 6:58 pm to I20goon
From what I understand a contract is binding only if there is something of value given the other way... Ie the Lei HS were paid to be silent. Otherwise it's just a promise. And NBC paying the Leighs for their silence would be a recruiting violation and needs to be investigated..
Posted on 1/3/21 at 6:59 pm to Roscoe
The whole year is one big dead year! Dead period was extended due to Covid once again.
So you are right, there was a dead period in that time frame. But that's not a no-contact period. Coaches could call, video call, and email during that time.
But the rules we're referring to states that once a recruit has signed/accepted the LOI (or enrolled) they can't be contacted by any means, including phone/video/email.
So you are right, there was a dead period in that time frame. But that's not a no-contact period. Coaches could call, video call, and email during that time.
But the rules we're referring to states that once a recruit has signed/accepted the LOI (or enrolled) they can't be contacted by any means, including phone/video/email.
Posted on 1/4/21 at 7:15 am to jbraua
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a slime ball Dabo
Posted on 1/4/21 at 7:54 am to Rouge
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The misinformation spread by the family, if this information is proven accurate, is disappointing to hear.
Wonder if God is proud of Dabo.
Posted on 1/4/21 at 8:26 am to VolTiger13
Thank you for the info. Do you know if he was a silent in the summer/fall when he made the back to back visits? If so, what happened: was it the girlfriend situation, differing political views (O and o line coach made their views known and Tristan Leigh has on Twitter pics from a BLM march that he attended), and/or just wanting to be closer to home/family (aunt that lives in SC)?
thank you
thank you
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