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re: Potentially bad news about Lache
Posted on 6/21/09 at 10:06 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 6/21/09 at 10:06 pm to SlowFlowPro
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we need a better QB to see it really take off
*ducks*
I'm with ya there. I wish they'd RS Shep.. do you think we have any guys in the wings who are capable of running the type of offense you picture?
How about JJ? Maybe not this season.. but come 2010?
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Posted on 6/21/09 at 10:07 pm to bmy
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do you think we have any guys in the wings who are capable of running the type of offense you picture?
jj certainly can. we just have to see if he develops
the bonus is jj can run the spread and spread option, and if he develops his running passing holy frick
if not, i think garrett will be a damn good spread QB in 3 years
Posted on 6/21/09 at 10:11 pm to SlowFlowPro
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jj certainly can. we just have to see if he develops
the bonus is jj can run the spread and spread option, and if he develops his running passing holy frick
if not, i think garrett will be a damn good spread QB in 3 years
We'll find out alot about JJ this season
No sunshine pumping.. I think it'll be 2010 before he's going to really click. The plus side to that.. 2010 and 2011.. the cards are in our favor, I think. I think Garrett is ridiculously good.
This post was edited on 6/21/09 at 10:12 pm
Posted on 6/21/09 at 10:13 pm to bmy
we still have to go to UF and if AU miraculously devleops, that will be tough. we may have to pray snead leaves early
i am saying this with all seriousness, and as the biggest homer for the comparison outside of UT alums, BUT....
JJ has vince young talent.
the question is if he can develop his running like vince developed his passing, and if he can become 75% of the leader that vince was. we will be scary in 2011 and 2012 if he can come close
i am saying this with all seriousness, and as the biggest homer for the comparison outside of UT alums, BUT....
JJ has vince young talent.
the question is if he can develop his running like vince developed his passing, and if he can become 75% of the leader that vince was. we will be scary in 2011 and 2012 if he can come close
Posted on 6/21/09 at 10:16 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i am saying this with all seriousness, and as the biggest homer for the comparison outside of UT alums, BUT....
JJ has vince young talent.
the question is if he can develop his running like vince developed his passing, and if he can become 75% of the leader that vince was. we will be scary in 2011 and 2012 if he can come close
I don't think i've ever seen you say that about a player..
I'm not sure if he'll run like vince did.. but I think he's got leadership falling out of his arse.
This post was edited on 6/21/09 at 10:17 pm
Posted on 6/21/09 at 10:18 pm to bmy
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I'm not sure if he'll run like vince did.
vince was the best runner in CFB in 2005 at 6-5. JJ doesn't even know how to run, but if he does...
that's the thing about JJ. he was developed in HS as a pocket passer, and he is a pocket passer. he just happens to be a 6-4 and really fast, and we began to harness that as the year went on
Posted on 6/21/09 at 10:18 pm to bmy
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We'll find out alot about JJ this season No sunshine pumping.. I think it'll be 2010 before he's going to really click. The plus side to that.. 2010 and 2011.. the cards are in our favor, I think.
I think JJ has already clicked, or is at least pretty damned close. He was really incredible in that GTech game considering he was a freakin' true freshman making his second career start. And then in the spring game, very efficient. The guy is going to be really really good IMO.
I'm all about 2009 though, not sure why so many LSU fans are looking ahead to 2010. We have a lot of good Seniors on both sides of the ball that are good enough to take us far this year.
Posted on 6/21/09 at 10:21 pm to ColtsTigers
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I'm all about 2009 though, not sure why so many LSU fans are looking ahead to 2010.
1. we still don't know about the D. chavis was a good hire, but he's been exposed before and he is running the same D that the entire SEC has scouted for years and years
2. UF returns maybe the strongest "year after" team following a title that has ever been returned
Posted on 6/21/09 at 10:21 pm to SlowFlowPro
SFP, I don't think we need JJ to be the runner Vince was, or even close to it. Let's face it, Vince is a once a generation type running talent, along with guys like Pryor and Vick. JJ isn't at that level as a runner.
I'm much more interested in him as a passer. We have Lafell, Randle, Toliver, and hopefully Reed; we don't need a great runner back there. A passing QB is more important. Plus, we have Shep to help with the running.
I'm much more interested in him as a passer. We have Lafell, Randle, Toliver, and hopefully Reed; we don't need a great runner back there. A passing QB is more important. Plus, we have Shep to help with the running.
Posted on 6/21/09 at 10:22 pm to ColtsTigers
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I think JJ has already clicked, or is at least pretty damned close. He was really incredible in that GTech game considering he was a freakin' true freshman making his second career start. And then in the spring game, very efficient. The guy is going to be really really good IMO.
I'm all about 2009 though, not sure why so many LSU fans are looking ahead to 2010. We have a lot of good Seniors on both sides of the ball that are good enough to take us far this year.
We expect to be good in 2009.. but we expect to be great between 2010-2012.
Posted on 6/21/09 at 10:24 pm to ColtsTigers
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SFP, I don't think we need JJ to be the runner Vince was, or even close to it. Let's face it, Vince is a once a generation type running talent, along with guys like Pryor and Vick. JJ isn't at that level as a runner.
I'm much more interested in him as a passer. We have Lafell, Randle, Toliver, and hopefully Reed; we don't need a great runner back there. A passing QB is more important. Plus, we have Shep to help with the running.
He's already proven he can sling the rock fairly well. He'll get better with age. The development of his running ability will either make him good or great.. I think that's what he's getting at.
I think his running style is comparable to Pryor, really. They both have that long stride and can eat some grass.
Posted on 6/21/09 at 10:24 pm to SlowFlowPro
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1. we still don't know about the D. chavis was a good hire, but he's been exposed before and he is running the same D that the entire SEC has scouted for years and years
2. UF returns maybe the strongest "year after" team following a title that has ever been returned
Well, I agree with all of that. But UF is going to have to stop Scott, Lafell, and Alem in Tiger Stadium this year. It's not like they are going to suck the next year when we go back to the Swamp.
I'm just saying that I think we have a very good Senior class this year.
Posted on 6/21/09 at 10:25 pm to ColtsTigers
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Vince is a once a generation type running talent, along with guys like Pryor and Vick.
vince is a better runner than either. vick was good, but he was a 4.35 runner in the Big East
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JJ isn't at that level as a runner.
i'm not saying he is, or ever will be. he has the same talent vince did as a tall running QB
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We have Lafell, Randle, Toliver, and hopefully Reed
if we get reed, lafell will be gone
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we don't need a great runner back there.
the staff seems to want to run spread option. it's better to have 1 QB who can run the spread, spread option, and a normal offense than a QB for each. that way we don't tip our hat before the play
Posted on 6/21/09 at 10:27 pm to bmy
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I think his running style is comparable to Pryor, really. They both have that long stride and can eat some grass.
Ehh, Pryor is a damn freak as a runner. I don't think JJ will ever be that.
I agree with you on JJ being a great passer.
I see you guys' point. I'm just saying, if JJ is as good of a passer as I think he'll be, and just a solid runner; we'll be pretty doggone good. Expecting him to be a freak as a runner as well is a little too much IMO.
Posted on 6/21/09 at 10:27 pm to ColtsTigers
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But UF is going to have to stop Scott, Lafell, and Alem in Tiger Stadium this year.
they did last year and they hung half a hundred while running backups most of the 4th quarter
and meyer has eaten chavis apart in the past
This post was edited on 6/21/09 at 10:27 pm
Posted on 6/21/09 at 10:28 pm to ColtsTigers
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Pryor is a damn freak as a runner.
overrated in this regard. don't buy the hype
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I see you guys' point. I'm just saying, if JJ is as good of a passer as I think he'll be, and just a solid runner; we'll be pretty doggone good. Expecting him to be a freak as a runner as well is a little too much IMO.
i'm not expecting it
i'm saying it's a possibility
if he stays the same as 2008 and just runs for 5-6 yards and goes out of bounds that's fine
but he has the talent to do more
Posted on 6/21/09 at 10:29 pm to SlowFlowPro
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the staff seems to want to run spread option. it's better to have 1 QB who can run the spread, spread option, and a normal offense than a QB for each. that way we don't tip our hat before the play
I see your point. I'm just saying, I'll be plenty happy if JJ can be a great passer, along with merely a good (but not Vince Young level) runner. If he does that, he can be one of LSU's best ever QBs.
Posted on 6/21/09 at 10:30 pm to ColtsTigers
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Ehh, Pryor is a damn freak as a runner. I don't think JJ will ever be that.
Watch JJ running (style mainly)..
LINK
Now go check out a Pryor vid.. faster, but I don't think it's by more than a step. Both are 'deceptively' fast and it has everything to do with their height.
This post was edited on 6/21/09 at 10:31 pm
Posted on 6/21/09 at 10:32 pm to SlowFlowPro
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they did last year and they hung half a hundred while running backups most of the 4th quarter
and meyer has eaten chavis apart in the past
That wasn't in Tiger Stadium last year. It'll be much harder for them to stop LSU without the benefit of crowd noise. Not to mention, a much better QB.
As for Chavis, the secondary he had the one year he got schooled by Meyer in the Swamp was a bunch of true freshman and Jucos.
I'm not one that is saying our D will be amazing this year or in the future though. Like you said, it's totally unproven.
But Chavis will be our DC in 2010 just like 2009, so I don't see the difference there.
Posted on 6/21/09 at 10:34 pm to ColtsTigers
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That wasn't in Tiger Stadium last year. It'll be much harder for them to stop LSU without the benefit of crowd noise. Not to mention, a much better QB.
As for Chavis, the secondary he had the one year he got schooled by Meyer in the Swamp was a bunch of true freshman and Jucos.
I'm not one that is saying our D will be amazing this year or in the future though. Like you said, it's totally unproven.
But Chavis will be our DC in 2010 just like 2009, so I don't see the difference there.
Gives us a chance to develop the speedier LBs instead of the more traditional LBs we're used to.
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