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re: 4th and 3, down 14, 10:00 to go
Posted on 11/18/15 at 4:41 pm to moneyg
Posted on 11/18/15 at 4:41 pm to moneyg
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The turnover just seems like the turning point. The reality is that Bama continued to dominate physically throughout the game. The defense was worn down. And, the floodgates opened.
Maybe. Seems supportable.
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I don't think anyone quit.
Feels like they quit. How do you explain the "quit" vibe from the opening of the Arky game (at home, at that)?
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Posted on 11/18/15 at 4:41 pm to TigersforEver
It was damage control. At this point he was playing to not get blown out instead of playing to win.
This agrees with my philosophy of Les lately.
Seems like he plays not to lose instead of playing to win.
This agrees with my philosophy of Les lately.
Seems like he plays not to lose instead of playing to win.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 4:43 pm to Ace Midnight
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How do you explain the "quit" vibe
Quit Vibe? They came out in spread formation trying to change things up and failed miserably. That didn't look like quit, that was failed execution.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 4:50 pm to BeeFense5
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Quit Vibe?
I've watched a lot of football. I've seen our teams down (but not out). I watched Kevin Faulk haul the team back, like some short little "strongest man" competitor pulling a stalled locomotive against Houston. I watched us fight (and lose) against UAB. I watched the team play the end of the Bluegrass Miracle - perfectly. The comeback against Troy. Hell, in 2007 against Florida - I've never seen two teams NOT quit so emphatically (hell of a thing that anybody had to lose that game - ditto for both double OT games that year.)
But, this team feels like it has quit. From the moment Bama intercepted in the 3rd quarter.
No fight in them, it appears.
This post was edited on 11/18/15 at 4:51 pm
Posted on 11/18/15 at 4:55 pm to Uncle Luke
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was at the game and didnt have the best of view
Man, I have been there and been plenty upset abut something until I watched the game sober at a later point and realized what I was missing.
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I could give a damn if we lose by 10 or lose by 30,
I agree, losing is losing. However being able to tie with a TD and FG or win with 2 TD is a better option than only being able to tie with 2 TD and a 2 pt conversion in the event Ark scored with a short field. It was a good choice to try and flip the field and get better field position, make a defensive stop, and score. It did not work out well.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 5:01 pm to Bleeding purple
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I agree, losing is losing. However being able to tie with a TD and FG or win with 2 TD is a better option than only being able to tie with 2 TD and a 2 pt conversion in the event Ark scored with a short field.
In the old days, maybe. If we had scrapped with Bama, toe-to-toe and gave up a game winning drive in the closing minutes to lose 28-21, then lost in OT to Arkansas - I'm not sure we'd be 19th or whatever and talking about firing the coach.
So, winning is winning, losing is losing, but the analysis is more complex now. Everybody breathing watched the LSU-Bama game - and it wasn't nearly as close as the score indicated. It felt more like a 42 - 10 (or worse). And Arky, again despite BH's coming out game as a passer, wasn't close, either.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 5:05 pm to TigersforEver
That's what Bo Schembechler would have done and by God, we'll do the same.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 5:06 pm to Ace Midnight
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In the old days, maybe. If we had scrapped with Bama, toe-to-toe and gave up a game winning drive in the closing minutes to lose 28-21, then lost in OT to Arkansas - I'm not sure we'd be 19th or whatever and talking about firing the coach. So, winning is winning, losing is losing, but the analysis is more complex now.
completely agree
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And Arky, again despite BH's coming out game as a passer, wasn't close, either.
Too bad BH could not come out as a passer prior to the last drive of the first half. Prior to that he had 36 yards on 11 pass attempts with only 3 receptions one of which accounted for 21 of those 36 yards. Calculate in his 43 yards of negative sack yardage on pass plays and his turnover that lead to a quick TD by ARK, and he amassed -7 yards on his 11 attempted passes. Prior to the last drive of the first half.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 5:10 pm to TigersforEver
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If we score on that drive, it becomes a one possession game.
Miles goes for there on fourth down and doesn't convert, The rant would roast him for going for it on fourth down.
He punts, the rant roasts him for not going for it on fourth down.
Damn if you do, damn if you don't. Keep fighting the good fight rant!
Posted on 11/18/15 at 5:12 pm to Bleeding purple
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Do you mean down by 10, 4th and 8 on LSU 46 at 11:15 ?
Right after LSU D had limited the previous Ark drive to 20 yards and a punt?
Well within the range for punter to pin Ark inside the 5?
Versus giving the opponent a possible 46 yard field to TD compared to a 80 yard field?
With 11:15 on the clock and only 2 scores needed to win a TD with PAT and a FG?
Hell, with a single FG Ark would have made it a 2 TD game not a 2 possession game. turning the ball over on the 46 means Ark would only need to get 15 yards to reasonably make the FG.
At that point of the game with 4th and 8 it was the correct decision.
I would go for it in that situation.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 5:13 pm to Ace Midnight
BH coming out as a passer? He took what 5 or 6 sacks when he should have thrown the ball away. But is completion % looked better even though the sacks were killers to our drives.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 5:15 pm to Tigerinthehollow
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He took what 5 or 6 sacks when he should have thrown the ball away.
I haven't done a time count, but the OL pass protection sucks. I'm not putting all of those on either him or the pass protection unit - it is a shared responsibility. Honestly, for such a well regarded unit, the OL should be ashamed of itself these last 2 weeks.
I hear you on throwing the ball away - I can't blame it all on Harris trying to make plays, though.
This post was edited on 11/18/15 at 5:16 pm
Posted on 11/18/15 at 6:06 pm to TigersforEver
It was 4th and 8, and it was the correct decision.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 6:09 pm to TigersforEver
The timeout with seconds left in the game was the biggest gaffe of all. Its shows how unaware Miles is of whats going on in the game
Posted on 11/19/15 at 10:07 am to Rex
Aw shite Rex and I agree on something.
Posted on 11/19/15 at 10:19 am to TigersforEver
Miles doesn't seem like the kind of guy to give up. I just think he has the worst situational awareness on the fricking planet.
Posted on 11/19/15 at 10:48 am to skullhawk
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Thank you for posting that. This board is never afraid to change facts to fit the narrative.
You're all idiots if you think we should've punted.
All your numbers are cute, but you see, in football there's something called momentum. A fourth down conversion gets the team back in the game. A punt says "okay team, we're done here".
Dumb call. Dumb if you disagree. DWI.
Posted on 11/19/15 at 10:49 am to WilliamTaylor21
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All your numbers are cute, but you see, in football there's something called momentum
And what do you think the other team gets when you don't pick up that first down?
Posted on 11/19/15 at 10:50 am to earl keese
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Miles goes for there on fourth down and doesn't convert, The rant would roast him for going for it on fourth down
Bull shite.
Posted on 11/19/15 at 10:50 am to earl keese
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Miles goes for there on fourth down and doesn't convert, The rant would roast him for going for it on fourth down.
really?
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