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re: Advocate article this morning
Posted on 8/24/11 at 8:51 am to dos crystal
Posted on 8/24/11 at 8:51 am to dos crystal
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you check out his priors
the only one with priors DOES NOT HAVE THE BROKEN VERTEBRAE.
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unlike you, i'm not "ASSUMING" what the "victim" is claiming is fact, true, or otherwise.
I'm trusting the Doctors at the Hospital that did the examination. Sorry, if their medical degrees are not enough for you...
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dr's can't always tell if a fx/injury on a x-ray/m.r.i. is trauma, degenerative, or pre-existed
I'd imagine if the Dr's swore off and the police and comfortable saying it, then yes they were able to this time.
Dear god man, seriously.
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Posted on 8/24/11 at 8:51 am to EricB
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This whole incident would have just been another fight at a bar if the late punch / kick / stomp / whatever never happened.
Is there still such a thing as "just another fight" when it's 4 LSU football players, who just so happen to be on free rides to college where they are given state-of-the-art weight training, nutrition, conditioning, etc?
Bottom line is these guys should not be fighting except in self-defense and even then shouldn't escalate situations.
Before you go off on me for that, what do you think Les Miles himself thinks about them fighting?
Posted on 8/24/11 at 8:51 am to CptBengal
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what they did is immaterial.
What they did may be immaterial to the charge and to their lawyer. It will not be immaterial to a jury or a judge, possibly. Also, his background as well as the players will be brought into the courtroom as it relates to altercations. How the fight started will be part of any trial that may come from this.
A good defense lawyer will challenge how the injury was caused.
Also fractured vertebrae is not a minor injury, imo. Initially, the police stated all four left the hospital with minor injuries. It later changed to serious injury to one.
This post was edited on 8/24/11 at 8:55 am
Posted on 8/24/11 at 8:53 am to Will2nd
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A good defense lawyer will challenge how the injury was caused.
that's fine...a trial is a LONG LONG way off.
broken vertebrae gets you charged with felony assault. No if's, maybe's or but's about it.
Posted on 8/24/11 at 8:53 am to tiger91
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Do x-rays not give an indication of how old of a fracture? Herniation I'm not sure of but I thought xrays could at least tell how old/new a fx was. Not trying to be ugly ... an honest question.
sometimes, not all. none of these kids are that old. therefore, any fracture shouldn't show a lot of degeneration. all in all, just depends if the fx is 6 years, a year, 6 mts, or 6 days. i don't think they can tell a 3 mt fracture from a 3 week fx. you get their priors and take the dr's deposition and find out.
it's simple, if he has no prior hx of fractures in his prior meds, then you know it's a result of the fight. end of story. i can't imagine why anyone would have a problem with that.
Posted on 8/24/11 at 8:56 am to dos crystal
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it's simple, if he has no prior hx of fractures in his prior meds, then you know it's a result of the fight. end of story. i can't imagine why anyone would have a problem with that.
I don't and that's a question for TRIAL.
Not necessarily the police investigation.
Posted on 8/24/11 at 8:57 am to dos crystal
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all in all, just depends if the fx is 6 years, a year, 6 mts, or 6 days. i don't think they can tell a 3 mt fracture from a 3 week fx. you get their priors and take the dr's deposition and find out.
a bone scan will tell you if its an active healing fx, not sure if it would tell you mo fx vs 3 day old fx but I'm sure a good radiologist may be able to
Posted on 8/24/11 at 9:00 am to CptBengal
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CptBengal
FWIW, whether spinal injuries are the result of a particular incident is very often a contentious issue, at least in civil litigation arising out of auto accidents and such. Insurance company lawyers go to great lengths, gather all the records of the person's past medical history, take depositions of his treating doctors, etc. In some cases there are past x-rays and MRI's to compare to the new ones. In some cases there are complaints of pain in the same area of the body. In some cases there is a clean slate before the incident.
So yeah, it it not unusual to question and check whether an injury pre-existed an incident.
Posted on 8/24/11 at 9:00 am to LSUEnvy
are we really arguing whether or not a guy with 3 fractured vertebrae in his back was out drinking starting fights with LSU football players? lol, I think it is pretty safe to say he got injured during the fight. lol
Posted on 8/24/11 at 9:02 am to CptBengal
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you check out his priors
the only one with priors DOES NOT HAVE THE BROKEN VERTEBRAE.
ok, so you know all four of their history? you know they all four haven't been in m.v.a's, fights, or slip in fall's? you don't check it out? what is wrong with checking it out? please tell me. It could solidify the kids case.
i'm just stopping, you're just talking out your arse. you're going by what the dr's have said. you know what they said?
there is a diag. of 3 fx vert. that's all we know. cause we don't. there is an ASSUMPTION it's related to the fight. why anyone wouldn't want to find out is beyond me. 
Posted on 8/24/11 at 9:04 am to Methuselah
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ften a contentious issue, at least in civil litigation
As I said, that is an issue for T R I A L.
dear god people, focus.
Posted on 8/24/11 at 9:09 am to dos crystal
am i missing something here.. 4 "victims" VS. 4 "victims" (depending how objectively you look at it either side could be victims) NO weapons, just plain fist to fist combat, one group of "victims" handed the other group of "victims" an arse whoopin (most likely a well deserved one). this happens all the time, if you are man enough to start a fight then you should be man enough to take a beating, put your tail between your legs and walk away from the situation its over now, bet you next time they will think twice about starting shite
Posted on 8/24/11 at 9:10 am to Will2nd
quote:I said the same thing. We don't know for sure that the hospital took the x-rays. He could have gone to an attorneys chiropractor the next morning and had film taken on a 30 year old x-ray machine where you can claim lots of things.
Also fractured vertebrae is not a minor injury, imo. Initially, the police stated all four left the hospital with minor injuries. It later changed to serious injury to one.
Posted on 8/24/11 at 9:11 am to XbengalTiger
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e don't know for sure that the hospital took the x-rays. He could have gone to an attorneys chiropractor the next morning and had film taken on a 30 year old x-ray machine where you can claim lots of things.
the conspiracy plot thickens.......
Posted on 8/24/11 at 9:12 am to RealityTiger
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Moral of this whole story: the exit of a bar's parking lot at closing time is not a suitable place to hangout.
Posted on 8/24/11 at 9:13 am to RealityTiger
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It's time for BRPD to either shite or get off the pot. If you have 2 parties giving 2 different stories with no 3rd party witness, it's time to pull the plug on the investigation. Let the other pieces of shite that got injured take the football players to court to try to cover medical bills. Good luck on getting your money too.
Moral of this whole story: don't honk your horn and yell at the LSU football team, especially when there's 50 of them and 2 of your group and you are a lot smaller and weaker than them.
I bet that the four guys involved were beat up by completely random people and just decided to name the four in question because they hate football.
Posted on 8/24/11 at 9:14 am to CptBengal
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initially the police stated all four left the hospital with minor injuries
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the conspiracy plot thickens
I guess you missed this part. FACT.
Posted on 8/24/11 at 9:14 am to XbengalTiger
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initially a REPORTER stated the COPS SAID all four left the hospital with minor injuries
maybe you missed this FACT.
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the conspiracy plot thickens
dum dum duuuuuummmmmmm.
Posted on 8/24/11 at 9:16 am to tigereye1760
Question - If there is no third party giving an account, how did the police come up with the 4 individuals from the team?
Posted on 8/24/11 at 9:18 am to CptBengal
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So Andrew was unconscious at some point; that is the hook to attempt to get this to 2nd degree.
fractured vertebrae will also get you to 2nd degree.
Just a question here but if it's found that there were blows thrown on both sides of the fight, does that then subject the guy on the losing end to charges as well even though he didn't injure the other party? Or does self defense come in here as well for the LSU player(s). I'm asking this because it was reported in the BRPD press conference that one of the injured had contusions on his fists.
Perhaps charges will be appropriate on both sides, not just one.
This post was edited on 8/24/11 at 9:19 am
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