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re: Al Woods...
Posted on 7/26/09 at 11:23 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 7/26/09 at 11:23 am to SlowFlowPro
No, he shouldn't, bc his arse stood straight up at that weight and he had no quickness at all. Terrance Cody was more athletic than Woods was last year.
You shall see SFP, this season is going to be a whole new world to you.
You shall see SFP, this season is going to be a whole new world to you.
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Posted on 7/26/09 at 11:32 am to ColtsTigers
al woods looks like a classic 2-gapper
we're trying to turn him into a 1-gapper (Which is what we use). i don't know if he's got the fast-twitch fibers and explosiveness for it. cody is more explosive than woods, at 380, so i can only imagine his increase this year if he really has dropped weight
we're trying to turn him into a 1-gapper (Which is what we use). i don't know if he's got the fast-twitch fibers and explosiveness for it. cody is more explosive than woods, at 380, so i can only imagine his increase this year if he really has dropped weight
Posted on 7/26/09 at 11:37 am to SlowFlowPro
Like you said, Cody is quicker. Woods' goal needs to be to gain quickness. You cannot play DT in football no matter the scheme if you aren't quick. I don't care if it's one gap or even two gap. Yes, it's better in two gap if you are unathletic, but you'd still be average at best.
Based on what I saw in the spring game, I think he's done that. By how much, I don't know.
Based on what I saw in the spring game, I think he's done that. By how much, I don't know.
Posted on 7/26/09 at 11:45 am to ColtsTigers
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Woods' goal needs to be to gain quickness.
it's not like you can just create fast twitch explosiveness easily
that's like saying dixon would have been better if he wasn't so slow. it's hard to increase speed
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You cannot play DT in football no matter the scheme if you aren't quick
yes you can. you play 2-gap DT and you're essentially just fat, strong, and immovable
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Yes, it's better in two gap if you are unathletic, but you'd still be average at best.
like frank okam? he was great as a 2-gap DT playing around 350 and he ran like a 5.4
Posted on 7/26/09 at 12:02 pm to SlowFlowPro
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it's not like you can just create fast twitch explosiveness easily
You do it by losing weight, which is what he said he has done. Woods only needs to be quick once the ball is snapped and be a bullrusher. Noone is asking him to be Tommie Harris where he has to change directions tremendously. Just straight ahead.
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yes you can. you play 2-gap DT and you're essentially just fat, strong, and immovable
Then they'll just zone block you, make you run down the line a little, and the center or guard will cut you off bc he's quicker than you. You're fooling yourself if you don't think Kris Jenkins, Vince Wilfork, Terrance Cody, etc aren't great athletes.
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like frank okam? he was great as a 2-gap DT playing around 350 and he ran like a 5.4
From Texas? He was terrible, went in the 5th round, and is getting no PT on a shitty defense bc he still sucks. If that's who Al Woods is this year, then that's not good for LSU.
Yes, that's better than what Woods was last year. But still, I've got higher hopes than an average player like that. If Woods doesn't go in the first 3-4 rounds next year, then I will be disappointed in him. With his size, that pretty much means you suck bc the NFL draft so much on measurables.
I realize he has sucked so far and would be lucky to be drafted, but I still just have higher hopes than that.
Posted on 7/26/09 at 12:13 pm to ColtsTigers
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You do it by losing weight,
no you still have the same fast-twitch fibers, you just have less weight to move
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Then they'll just zone block you
2-gap DTs kill zone blocking b/c zone blocking OL are small and can't handle the size
that's why the pats used to OWN the colts in the NFL when they had ted washington
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You're fooling yourself if you don't think Kris Jenkins, Vince Wilfork, Terrance Cody, etc aren't great athletes.
did i say they weren't? kris jenkins used to be a 1-gap DT and just got old and fat and he plays the 2-gap. he's not a great athlete anymore. wilfork ran like a 4.8 or 4.9 at 320 and has a GREAT base. guys like casey hampton, jamaal williams, etc are mainly just guys with great bases who are 330 or so and are just immovable objects
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From Texas? He was terrible
i think he was an all american at least once
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went in the 5th round
b/c he ran a 5.4 and is seen as being too smart and not 100% about football. he's also got the soft label being from UT (being smart plays into this image also)
he's supposed to be starting this year. glenn dorsey may not start this year, for reference
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If that's who Al Woods is this year, then that's not good for LSU.
are you insane?
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I realize he has sucked so far
because he plays in the wrong defense
if he played on say, michigan a few years ago, he'd be one of the most highly regarded DTs in the NCAAs
Posted on 7/26/09 at 12:22 pm to SlowFlowPro
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2-gap DTs kill zone blocking b/c zone blocking OL are small and can't handle the size
that's why the pats used to OWN the colts in the NFL when they had ted washington
And Ted Washington at 370lbs was more athletic than Al Woods at 325lbs. Stop trying to make Woods into people he isn't.
I'm trying to think of a better comparison myself, but maybe someone like John Henderson. Not the best comparison I'm sure, but the Jags play in gaps and he's closer in size to a guy like that.
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did i say they weren't? kris jenkins used to be a 1-gap DT and just got old and fat and he plays the 2-gap. he's not a great athlete anymore. wilfork ran like a 4.8 or 4.9 at 320 and has a GREAT base. guys like casey hampton, jamaal williams, etc are mainly just guys with great bases who are 330 or so and are just immovable objects
All those guys are great athletes. I can tell you that bc basically all of them have killed the Colts. Jamal Williams is one of the biggest reasons why the Chargers beat them so much. He is explosive enough to get pressure on the QB simply by overpowering the center. You don't overpower anyone unless you are athletic enough to bend your knees and play with leverage. So far, Woods hasn't been. Hopefully he will with reduced weight.
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i think he was an all american at least once
Only bc he played at a big school and was a bigtime recruit.
Charles Alexander keeps making preseason SEC every year just like Will Arnold used to at guard. All American lists mean squat, unfortunately.
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he's supposed to be starting this year.
Nada, I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't make the team. I know the Texans pretty well.
Posted on 7/26/09 at 12:25 pm to ColtsTigers
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And Ted Washington at 370lbs was more athletic than Al Woods at 325lbs
um, no he wasn't
he literally just would lean forward when he was at that point of his career
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but maybe someone like John Henderson. Not the best comparison I'm sure, but the Jags play in gaps and he's closer in size to a guy like that.
he's a 2-gapper who is a super athlete. he just can't play at 100% of his potential b/c of his back. he has to play high as a result. he has the same potential as haynesworth but a better motor. just a more fragile body
Posted on 7/26/09 at 12:29 pm to SlowFlowPro
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he literally just would lean forward when he was at that point of his career
Even so, he was 370lbs while Woods was 325lbs. Huge difference in strength.
Posted on 7/26/09 at 12:35 pm to ColtsTigers
big ted was prolly about 390
and woods was around 350 without a gut like those guys
another good example is the DT combo on the 2000 ravens. sam adams and the goose were just fat and strong and occupied 3-4 blockers on every plsy (esp running plays)
and woods was around 350 without a gut like those guys
another good example is the DT combo on the 2000 ravens. sam adams and the goose were just fat and strong and occupied 3-4 blockers on every plsy (esp running plays)
Posted on 7/26/09 at 12:35 pm to SlowFlowPro
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al woods looks like he should play about 350 in a system completely different than LSU's
maybe, but Chavis has had successful big boys with Al's body type, I think he'll be good for Al
Posted on 7/26/09 at 12:36 pm to ATLTiger
well back in the day, chavis used DTs like that (like the aforementioned hendo)
he seems to have gone for more shorter types who can penetrate more. i'm curious to see what happens
he seems to have gone for more shorter types who can penetrate more. i'm curious to see what happens
Posted on 7/26/09 at 12:39 pm to SlowFlowPro
well, he just had Justin Harrell and Bolden, they were 6'4/ 300 types
Posted on 7/26/09 at 12:40 pm to SlowFlowPro
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another good example is the DT combo on the 2000 ravens. sam adams and the goose were just fat and strong and occupied 3-4 blockers on every plsy (esp running plays)
Yet those guys played in a 4-3 like LSU does. If Woods plays like Adams, shouldn't we be happy? He simply hasn't played like that.
Posted on 7/26/09 at 12:41 pm to ATLTiger
yeah if chavis could get harrell into the first round, i guess he can get any DT in there
Posted on 7/26/09 at 1:08 pm to SlowFlowPro
"Fast twitch fibers"...
Could someone explain that bit of anatomy to me?
Thanks
Could someone explain that bit of anatomy to me?
Thanks
Posted on 7/26/09 at 1:09 pm to SlowFlowPro
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like frank okam? he was great as a 2-gap DT playing around 350 and he ran like a 5.4
Tony Siragusa
Posted on 7/26/09 at 1:11 pm to nitwit
they're the fibers of your muscles that allow you to perform explosive activities
they're what gives fast runners that speed/acceleration and quick guys that jolt. or jumpers that 38" vertical
you can train to get better, but there's a limit. you can train to test well, but this doesn't mean that in natural movements they really are as explosive as they test (along with your mental abilities and skill level. these make a difference "on the field")
they're what gives fast runners that speed/acceleration and quick guys that jolt. or jumpers that 38" vertical
you can train to get better, but there's a limit. you can train to test well, but this doesn't mean that in natural movements they really are as explosive as they test (along with your mental abilities and skill level. these make a difference "on the field")
Posted on 7/26/09 at 1:14 pm to SlowFlowPro
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he's a DT. retards can play DT (see: charles deas and jerell powe)
still have to be able to read and react
all he currently does best is occupy OLs
Posted on 7/26/09 at 1:15 pm to SlowFlowPro
Thanks, SFP.
I had never encountered that term before and was just googling on it.
According to those sites,we all have some of both types ( slow and fast twitch...) 'bout 50/50.
Thanks again
I had never encountered that term before and was just googling on it.
According to those sites,we all have some of both types ( slow and fast twitch...) 'bout 50/50.
Thanks again
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