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re: An offensive breakdown for you guys
Posted on 9/9/09 at 2:04 pm to Tiger Voodoo
Posted on 9/9/09 at 2:04 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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Actually, no. As you said, Washington had 500 yards of offense and yet only scored 23 points and lost the game
Are you trying to make my point?
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Posted on 9/9/09 at 2:07 pm to Maximus
Not at all. Are you saying Washington didn't have a great night on offense against LSU?
Posted on 9/9/09 at 2:09 pm to beardedzeus
Did Coach A or Coach B recruit all those players? What happened when all the players recruited by that coach had used up their eligibility?
Posted on 9/9/09 at 2:10 pm to Tiger Voodoo
You are too stupid to even argue with. Go away.
here, this should hold you over for 15-20 minutes
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SFW
here, this should hold you over for 15-20 minutes
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SFW
Posted on 9/9/09 at 2:11 pm to Maximus
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You are too stupid to even argue with. Go away.
Ok bud. You said points scored and wins/losses were the most important stats to judge an offense. I just asked how you think Washington's O did Saturday night.
And just in case you try to say that you didn't say that:
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where are wins/losses and points scored? Wouldn't those be the most significant and thus leaving them out would be cherry picking?
This post was edited on 9/9/09 at 2:13 pm
Posted on 9/9/09 at 2:14 pm to Tiger Voodoo
So Washington scoring 23 points and losing with 500 yards proves that yards are just as important as points and wins/losses? You really might be the dumbest frick on this board.
/ me in this thread
you all can beat each off about Air Les
/ me in this thread
you all can beat each off about Air Les
This post was edited on 9/9/09 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 9/9/09 at 2:17 pm to beardedzeus
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beardedzeus
Winner
Winner
Sir - you have nailed your dismount! Even your mother, disguised as the East German* judge, gives you high marks!
*****
***** 
***** ***** ***** ***** *This is paraphrasing a movie quote, not calling "Germans"
Posted on 9/9/09 at 2:20 pm to Maximus
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So Washington scoring 23 points and losing with 500 yards proves that yards are just as important as points and wins/losses? You really might be the dumbest frick on this board.
I didn't say that at all. I just wanted to know how you thought Washington's offense looked Saturday night.
Posted on 9/9/09 at 2:36 pm to Maximus
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where are wins/losses and points scored? Wouldn't those be the most significant and thus leaving them out would be cherry picking?
For the record, here they are:
07 LSU 14 games, 12-2, 541 pts, 38.6 PPG
08 UF 14 games, 13-1, 611 pts, 43.6 PPG
I'm not sure why wins/losses are a more significant stat for evaluating offenses, but you want it, you got it. So, now we have total yards, rush yards, pass yards, W-L, and points. UF doesn't look light years better, do they? And, once again, UF is kind of the gold standard for offense in the SEC. So, if Les was meddling, was his meddling resulting in an offense nearly as good as 08 UF?
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Washington had 500 yards on us the other day. I dont really think thats proves they are on par with Florida but I could prop up some stats and say BOOM TO MAX AND SFP and whoallla they are the 2nd coming of the Kurt Warner Rams.
Well, we're using whole season numbers instead of just one game for a larger sample. And, as I've said repeatedly, I'm not trying to say BOOM to anyone. I want to hear your argument.
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What questions am I dodging? If you honestly think UF has anything to do with Miles sticking his hands in the offense than I can't really help you.
Here... I'll repost them...
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Seriously, what's random about total yards, yards passing, and yards rushing? Doesn't this demonstrate that LSU's offense was roughly equivalent to Florida's? And isn't there a general argument that Miles holds his co-ordinators back? And isn't Florida generally viewed as the offensive gold standard in the SEC?
So why wouldn't these numbers be relevant in demonstrating that LSU's offense in its title year was as good as Florida's offense in theirs, which would rebut the argument that LSU's offense holds the team back?
And added after SFP posted the YPP numbers...
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How did they perforrm "significantly worse"? Is that strictly by the yds/play number posted by SFP? I'm gonna ask another question, if you don't mind... doesn't the offense have some control over its number of plays? For example, UW had a lot more plays than LSU last Saturday, but wasn't that mainly because UW kept converted third downs and had so many long drives? Why is yard per play more significant than yards per game?
And I don't think anyone honestly believes Miles has NO influence on the offense. He is the head coach. The basic question is: does he hold the offense back? If LSU, at its peak, is performing at nearly the same level as an offense of UF's caliber, wouldn't that punch a rather large hole in that theory?
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Well, if mighty Baloo the authority on all things MLB comes down from his thrown to judge my posting quality, I better step it up and prove to him my worthiness.
Well, at least you recognize my inherent quality over you, so I don't have to tell you. But its not about your "worthiness" and it never has been. You're trying to make this some personal vendetta when in all honesty, I rarely look at which person I am debating with (I admittedly have an SFP exception). People don't really matter to me, arguments do. I have continually and repeatedly just asked for your argument. Not because I think you need improvement as a human being, as you clearly think you do, but because I wish to read a convincing argument.
I don't see why this is such an outrage for you. My unresonable demand for a logical argument is truly outrageous. I promise I'll listen to it.
Is it really that you think Miles runs a bunch of "bigs" sets that the OC would not otherwise run?
Posted on 9/9/09 at 2:38 pm to Baloo
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I admittedly have an SFP exception
i'm entering this thread again to take a bow
and
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Is it really that you think Miles runs a bunch of "bigs" sets that the OC would not otherwise run?
yes. big philosophy. big sets.
Posted on 9/9/09 at 3:27 pm to SlowFlowPro
I know you're on a personal Rant ban, but do you have any data on how often LSU uses each set? I honestly don't expect you to because that would be a metric ton of work, but if you did, or knew a place I could get that data, it would be super cool.
Thanks.
Oh, and you're welcome. I'll be honest, you are the only poster on any site in the history of the internet who can consistently annoy me. And I actually do mean that as compliment. You are a worthy adversary.
Thanks.
Oh, and you're welcome. I'll be honest, you are the only poster on any site in the history of the internet who can consistently annoy me. And I actually do mean that as compliment. You are a worthy adversary.
Posted on 9/9/09 at 3:39 pm to Baloo
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beardedzeus
nicely played. We have this thread to bump when the solipsists start telling us how poorly coached we are.
Posted on 9/9/09 at 4:12 pm to Baloo
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but do you have any data on how often LSU uses each set?
heck no
but this is what i can say
before miles, we never trotted out 2-TE, i-form on long down/distance under jimbo
this was crowton at La Tech
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here is crowton at UO (he had better top-tier RB talent than at LSU w/stewart also)
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i understand that it's a highlight video, but they rarely used i, and almost never outside of short down/distance and the goaline. they were a high-flying offense at UO (however kelly was better as an OC)
here is crowton at BYU
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LINK
you just don't see many I-form outside of the 10 yard line, let alone i-form with 2 TE
Posted on 9/9/09 at 4:23 pm to SlowFlowPro
shite...
I wish we'd see that kind of offense...
I wish we'd see that kind of offense...
Posted on 9/9/09 at 4:38 pm to TheDoc
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and somehow we end up with charles scott runs up the middle, and three and outs.
do you remember the 1st series of the 2nd half.
pass....pass....pass..and out.
came out after halftime threw 3 in a row and punted.
Posted on 9/9/09 at 5:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
I am not saying he did run any big sets, bu how can you tell from the videos you posted SFP?
Posted on 9/9/09 at 5:10 pm to beardedzeus
Dude, you fooled me. Great thread!!! Great comparisons. Amazing.
Posted on 9/9/09 at 6:44 pm to Baloo
I see both sides to the argument. Honestly, I think the chips fall somewhere in the middle.
On the one hand, people are displeased because Miles and co. run too conservative of an offensive game plan.
On the other hand, if the offense is being effective, why bitch and moan?
I think the majority of people that have issues with the way Miles runs the offense revolves around 3 things:
1) They think we can better maximize talent.
2) They genuinely wish and prefer we ran a different style of football both offensively and defensively regardless of the success rate.
3) They have delusional expectations of how good we can/should be.
Does Miles make our offense a bit more about power running/smashmouth big set football? Sure.
Is that a wholly bad thing? Not in my opinion.
And we're not the only team that battles this. UF fans were up in arms last season leading up to and through the Ole Miss game with how "conservative" Meyer and Mullen were running their offense.
I think all big time coaches run a pretty conservative plan when they believe in their defense because in their mind they only need to score enough to win... unless they have an agenda.
On the one hand, people are displeased because Miles and co. run too conservative of an offensive game plan.
On the other hand, if the offense is being effective, why bitch and moan?
I think the majority of people that have issues with the way Miles runs the offense revolves around 3 things:
1) They think we can better maximize talent.
2) They genuinely wish and prefer we ran a different style of football both offensively and defensively regardless of the success rate.
3) They have delusional expectations of how good we can/should be.
Does Miles make our offense a bit more about power running/smashmouth big set football? Sure.
Is that a wholly bad thing? Not in my opinion.
And we're not the only team that battles this. UF fans were up in arms last season leading up to and through the Ole Miss game with how "conservative" Meyer and Mullen were running their offense.
I think all big time coaches run a pretty conservative plan when they believe in their defense because in their mind they only need to score enough to win... unless they have an agenda.
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