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re: Bama's physicality is superior at mostly every position. LSU must get stronger
Posted on 12/3/16 at 9:13 pm to rpg37
Posted on 12/3/16 at 9:13 pm to rpg37
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LSU only is noticeably weaker than Alabama at O-Line and QB.
Youre not being honest with yourself if you really believe lsu has the front 7 depth of bama.
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Posted on 12/3/16 at 9:16 pm to Rickdaddy4188
Really...and whats wrong with their secondary? I don't see a lot of weakness there.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 9:17 pm to radicalizedtigah
i may get down voted into oblivion for saying this, but they're far stronger at the rb position. guice and fournette are outstanding runners but watching today i noticed when their o line missed a linebacker or lineman the rb was still able to get positive yards. we were not able to get those yards vs florida
Posted on 12/3/16 at 9:18 pm to radicalizedtigah
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Bama's physicality is superior at mostly every position.
Not really, you're grossly over exaggerating. The biggest difference this year between Bama and LSU was that we were stuck with Miles' old antiquated Bo Schembechler offense that Saban knew better than Les Miles. If we would have had a different offensive scheme, we would have won. You usually win games when you hold the other teams to 10 points or less.
In addition, on our offensive line this season we had only one true offensive tackle and he played center, thanks again to Les Miles and his run first antiquate Bo Schembechler offense.
Les didn't let the offensive line coaches hardly recruit any true tackles, because again his mindset is always run first and only pass when you are far behind with hardly any time left. Thus, because we had true guards as opposed to true tackles playing the tackle positions, they weren't athletic enough to come close to stopping Alabama's speed rush.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 9:28 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Youre not being honest with yourself if you really believe lsu has the front 7 depth of bama.
LSU lost 10-0 and it wasn't because the front seven wasn't doing serious work. I think we are splitting hairs like that. QB and OLine were clearly the culprits.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 9:28 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Youre not being honest with yourself if you really believe lsu has the front 7 depth of bama.
We didn't lose this game because of our defense, we lost this game because we were stuck playing Les Miles's old antiquated Bo Schembechler offense, and that Nick Saban knows better than the back of his hand. Thus, because our offense was incapable of making any first downs against Bama, our defense was left on the field for far longer than it would have been had we played a different offense that would have given us more options to counter Bama's tough defense. Also, because we didn't have any true tackles playing tackle this season, (another Les Miles caused deficiency), we weren't capable of stopping Bama's speed rush especially from the outside. In any event, our defense played stellar against Bama even when you consider the fact that it stayed on the field far longer that it should have had to stay on the field.
This post was edited on 12/3/16 at 9:35 pm
Posted on 12/3/16 at 9:47 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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LSU is closer to Bama than any other SEC team. They are stronger however and LSU can't compete in the trenches.
On defense, LSU defeated Bama in the trenches until they finally started to wear down in the fourth quarter, but that was because our offense was almost non-existent. On offense, we got our asses handed to us, and it's because Les Miles wouldn't allow his offensive line coaches to recruit true tackles, as he preferred to recruit true guards as opposed to true tackles, because of his run first antiquated Bo Schembechler offense. Therefore, there was no way for us to stop Bama's speed rush from the outside because offensive guards are simply not athletic enough to stop it. Now we did have one true tackle playing on the offensive line this season, but he was playing center.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 9:51 pm to Katy Tiger
Occam's Razor. Those Bama boys are using the cream and the clear.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 9:55 pm to wfallstiger
LSU still looks like Alabama. That's not the problem. The problem is our antiquated run first Bo Schembechler offense thanks to Les. Hopefully, that offense will be gone next season. That and the fact that Les refused to recruit offensive tackles and recruited offensive Guards first because again of his antiquated run first Bo Schembechler offense
Posted on 12/3/16 at 9:59 pm to Tigerbythetale
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We seemed to match up pretty well size and strength wise except on our OLine.
That's because Les Miles wouldn't let his offensive line coaches recruit true tackles. Instead Les wanted them to recruit offensive guards instead because of his run first, pass only when absolutely desperate offensive scheme.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 10:20 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Youre not being honest with yourself if you really believe lsu has the front 7 depth of bama.
Assuming O can close out this recruiting class, LSU will have done a lot during the 2016/2017 recruiting cycles to address this for future clashes.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 10:33 pm to 901Tiger
Jesus h Christ LSU LOOKS NOTHING LIKE BAMA. I REPEAT THEY DO NOT LOOK LIKE BAMA. Get off the dope
Posted on 12/3/16 at 10:35 pm to SaintLSU
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Jesus h Christ LSU LOOKS NOTHING LIKE BAMA. I REPEAT THEY DO NOT LOOK LIKE BAMA. Get off the dope
I didn't say they looked like Bama now.
This post was edited on 12/3/16 at 10:59 pm
Posted on 12/3/16 at 11:01 pm to Space Cowboy
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We didn't lose this game because of our defense, we lost this game because we were stuck playing Les Miles's old antiquated Bo Schembechler offense, and that Nick Saban knows better than the back of his hand. Thus, because our offense was incapable of making any first downs against Bama, our defense was left on the field for far longer than it would have been had we played a different offense that would have given us more options to counter Bama's tough defense. Also, because we didn't have any true tackles playing tackle this season, (another Les Miles caused deficiency), we weren't capable of stopping Bama's speed rush especially from the outside. In any event, our defense played stellar against Bama even when you consider the fact that it stayed on the field far longer that it should have had to stay on the field.
Are you under the impression that Bama's offense is great?
No team in cfb has the front 7 depth and talent that bama has. Come on.
This post was edited on 12/3/16 at 11:09 pm
Posted on 12/3/16 at 11:04 pm to Space Cowboy
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That's because Les Miles wouldn't let his offensive line coaches recruit true tackles
This is utter bullshite. There is enough real shite to bitch about miles without making shite up. A couple lsu teams lacking great tackles doesnt mean he didnt want tackles. My god. People that say our oline sucked dont know what they are talking about. We didnt have a passing attack and we still ran it down peoples throats.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 11:07 pm to Space Cowboy
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LSU still looks like Alabama.
You have no idea what youre talking about. Bama's 2016 draft class alone was almost bigger than our last 2 draft classes combined. 7 different sec programs have matched our nfl output the last 2 draft classes. Its like you dont know you can look this shite up before posting. Bama has had 5 straight #1 classes. Hell lsu's 2012 class was 18th. We haven't even had 4 straight top 5 classes. This is why we have fans that expect us to win all our sec games besides bama.
Auburn,a&m,and ole miss ( recently)have pulled in classes like lsu.no program in cfb looks like bama.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 11:13 pm to kack44blade
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Really...and whats wrong with their secondary? I don't see a lot of weakness there.
It's not as stacked as their run defense. Every team that beats bama has to be able to throw the ball and have a qb create.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 11:15 pm to Rickdaddy4188
All we need is a solid OC and I think we compete and beat them. With a very small imaginative offense we could have beat them this year. Problem is we have ran the same 5 offensive plays for 12 straight years!
Posted on 12/4/16 at 6:42 am to Rickdaddy4188
quote:agreed. something has to change up front... like a boss I used to have would say "the people will change, or the people will change".
We must be honest with ourselves. No program recruits well enough on the oline to run a prostyle offense and best bama. As much as i hate it we have to move to a spread offense and make their secondary be the playmakers instead of playing into their strength of front 7 dominance.
One way is to recruit and develop OL better (part of that development is S&C). What's the likelihood there?
The other way is to use tactics/strategy to attack the problem. Armies have done this for millenia. We stand a better chance of success there. Not sure the spread, or which version of the spread, is the answer. But it is a better answer than the insanity of continuing to try the same hat-on-hat philosophy.
quote:worth pointing out that a QB that could create went a long way to them beating us this year. And went a long way towards Ole Miss beating them the previous two years.
It's not as stacked as their run defense. Every team that beats bama has to be able to throw the ball and have a qb create.
This post was edited on 12/4/16 at 6:46 am
Posted on 12/4/16 at 7:26 am to radicalizedtigah
This is my take - if we had started this season with O as coach, a top OC and a 4/5 star QB we would have won every game.
All we needed is a field goal or a few inches to win UW, AUB, FLA and 2 TDs to beat bama. Every team scored on bama but us. UF had 16 against them - we could have done at least that with a better OC and QB.
This season was squandered. Miles should have been fired last year. That's on King and Joe.
Maybe we can get what we need in a year or 2
All we needed is a field goal or a few inches to win UW, AUB, FLA and 2 TDs to beat bama. Every team scored on bama but us. UF had 16 against them - we could have done at least that with a better OC and QB.
This season was squandered. Miles should have been fired last year. That's on King and Joe.
Maybe we can get what we need in a year or 2
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