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My point was that there are plenty of teams out there who can hit and are capable of causing a team to blow a lead. LSU is not the only team who can or will blow a lead. UTSA did it as well.

Right. UTSA did it, as well. Shouldn't they be concerned about their bullpen, then? And aren't we a wee bit more talented than UTSA? Expectations, man. They aren't equal for every team.

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Yeah LSU has to learn to finish games. This not unique to LSU. They also came back and won both of the games. There’s something to be said for that as well.

I did say something about that. I was very complimentary of the offense. I'm talking about the performance of the bullpen. Winning the game does not change what they did.

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Yeah it was definitely going to be a hit. But the error was not on the pitching and you can’t say it didn’t have an impact because LSU could have still gotten 3 outs and won. You can’t use hindsight to say it didn’t matter.

I'm not trying to be a jerk, but this paragraph doesn't make any sense to me. You're agreeing with me that the error was going to be a hit, regardless, but then you say they still could have gotten three outs and won... Isn't that pretty clearly my point? The error did not give them a base runner, it only allowed the runners to advance, and the pitchers still could have gotten the outs. But they didn't. That's just exactly the point. So, in what way is that just convenient "hindsight" on my part? I really don't know what you're talking about on this one.

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Posted on 3/15/21 at 5:36 am to Metaloctopus

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Right. UTSA did it, as well. Shouldn't they be concerned about their bullpen, then?

Probably should

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And aren't we a wee bit more talented than UTSA? Expectations, man. They aren't equal for every team.

Yeah, just like how all of the other SEC teams have lost to teams that are less talented than them. UTSA is clearly capable of hitting the ball. We could blow a lead to a less talented team than UTSA or one that is more talented. The same could happen to any other conference team. It is going to happen from time to time.

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I'm not trying to be a jerk, but this paragraph doesn't make any sense to me. You're agreeing with me that the error was going to be a hit, regardless, but then you say they still could have gotten three outs and won

All I was saying was that LSU still could have won in 9 innings even with the bad pitching and that it wasn’t just on pitching. That’s all. Maybe they would have, maybe they wouldn’t. We don’t know. The hindsight portion was referring to the implication that the error had no impact after the fact because the pitching wasn’t going well anyway. Anything can change in the blink of an eye. A double play ball can end a rally as fast as anything else. Yeah we agree for the most part. I was simply pointing out that we still had a chance to win it even with how the pitching was going.

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Posted by Metaloctopus

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Posted on 3/15/21 at 7:36 am to GoneFishing21

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Yeah, just like how all of the other SEC teams have lost to teams that are less talented than them. UTSA is clearly capable of hitting the ball. We could blow a lead to a less talented team than UTSA or one that is more talented. The same could happen to any other conference team. It is going to happen from time to time.

Dude, I get that. Believe me, I've been a sports fan, and a baseball fan, since I was a kid in the 90's. I understand all about how things "can" happen. My issue with what you're saying is that you seem to imply that I'm basing everything off of an isolated incident, for one, and that "could have still won the game in 9 innings" somehow justifies blowing a 7 run lead, the day after blowing a four run lead, and the fact that at no point this season has the bullpen proven to be reliable. This isn't a case of "stuff happens". We have a body of work to go on, at this point. All the other window dressing has nothing to do with anything I'm talking about. Other teams lose games. Yeah. But do they show a consistent flaw of not being able to get outs from their bullpen? If so, those teams should be concerned, as well. Other teams being bad at something, doesn't make it ok. I don't know about anyone else, but I don't base my success off of other people's failures. That's a bad barometer to go by, in my opinion.

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All I was saying was that LSU still could have won in 9 innings even with the bad pitching and that it wasn’t just on pitching. That’s all

How many runs does LSU have to score in nine innings for a blown lead not to be on the pitching?

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The hindsight portion was referring to the implication that the error had no impact after the fact because the pitching wasn’t going well anyway. Anything can change in the blink of an eye. A double play ball can end a rally as fast as anything else.

It had no impact because the runner was going to be on base. The throw wasn't going to be near in time. A double play can change an inning, but there were no double play balls induced. They were giving up walks and rockets into the outfield after that. And Doughty's error was ONE play. I'm not going to sit here and imagine all sorts of things that could be different if a cat were a dog, and a dog were a monkey, type of scenarios. The bullpen got lit up. Period.

We can sit here all day and say "the offense could have had 40 hits, and the defense could have played every batter perfectly, allowing nothing to get by"... But that just isn't reasonable. And it isn't reasonable, in my estimation, to pretend that Doughty's play, which only resulted in extra bases in an inning where the pitchers could not get an out, is somehow relevant to the point I was making about the bullpen. I didn't say that the rest of the team was perfect. Only that we have a particular facet of our team that is clearly lagging behind.

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