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re: Beckham's Production
Posted on 12/29/11 at 11:32 pm to rickyh
Posted on 12/29/11 at 11:32 pm to rickyh
Brandon LaFell suffered when we went from Lee to Jefferson, for the same reason.
LaFell was good at reading the D and adjusting his route for blitzes to be the "hot" read, and Lee was better at seeing it coming and getting him the ball right after the snap.
I think we're probably a better team overall with JJ at QB this year, because of what he brings to the run game, but there's no question that Lee does things that help a certain type of WR more than JJ does.
LaFell was good at reading the D and adjusting his route for blitzes to be the "hot" read, and Lee was better at seeing it coming and getting him the ball right after the snap.
I think we're probably a better team overall with JJ at QB this year, because of what he brings to the run game, but there's no question that Lee does things that help a certain type of WR more than JJ does.
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Posted on 12/29/11 at 11:37 pm to ellessuuuu
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but the difference was in the short passing game, one throws quick routes the other throws more on the run.
play-action...
Posted on 12/29/11 at 11:37 pm to NorfolkVATiger
Valid points. I hope JJ can pull it together like the peach and cotton bowls in years past. OB and RR should have good outings if so. Big if, but JJ has come through before in this scenario. Difference is: way better competition this go-round
This post was edited on 12/29/11 at 11:39 pm
Posted on 12/29/11 at 11:40 pm to tigerpimpbot
A thread about Odell Beckham turns into a Jefferson vs Lee debate. So pathetic.
Posted on 12/29/11 at 11:41 pm to tigerpimpbot
JJ is the reason for ODBs lack of production. Beckham is usually the second or third read. JJ usually never progresses that far. THe offense had gone into deeper levels of the passing game peaking from WVU through UF and Auburn games. JJ did have a nice day against Arkansas but he usually doesn't get to those routes deeper into the plays progression.
Posted on 12/29/11 at 11:56 pm to IIxxBREADxxII
Most of our receivers' production has gone down with Jefferson at QB. OBJ, Peterson and Clement are pretty much MIA now. Some of our best players on offense cannot be utilized with JJ swagging it up in the pocket
Posted on 12/29/11 at 11:56 pm to IIxxBREADxxII
Why is any criticism of JJ seen as such a horrible thing?
The guy is honestly a mediocre QB with slow reaction in the pocket as far as passing goes and a horribly drawn out throwing motion that eliminates any advantage on screen plays.
He can run and tends to not thrown picks. Then again, he takes tons of sacks. He has 2.5 times the sacks on the season as JJ in less plays. There is a reason for that.
Someone brings up a valid question and when the answer isn't to the liking of JJ jock sniffers the thread is either worthless or devolved into a hate fest. Fact is JJ is the reason OBJ's involvement has dropped off drastically. To think otherwise shows pure stupidity on the part of anyone peddling that crap.
The guy is honestly a mediocre QB with slow reaction in the pocket as far as passing goes and a horribly drawn out throwing motion that eliminates any advantage on screen plays.
He can run and tends to not thrown picks. Then again, he takes tons of sacks. He has 2.5 times the sacks on the season as JJ in less plays. There is a reason for that.
Someone brings up a valid question and when the answer isn't to the liking of JJ jock sniffers the thread is either worthless or devolved into a hate fest. Fact is JJ is the reason OBJ's involvement has dropped off drastically. To think otherwise shows pure stupidity on the part of anyone peddling that crap.
Posted on 12/30/11 at 12:02 am to NorfolkVATiger
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Brandon LaFell suffered when we went from Lee to Jefferson, for the same reason.
LaFell was good at reading the D and adjusting his route for blitzes to be the "hot" read, and Lee was better at seeing it coming and getting him the ball right after the snap.
Lafell went down 6 catches with Jefferson and UP 3 Tds. Plus we didn't have to throw as much since we weren't coming from behind as much in'09.
Posted on 12/30/11 at 12:03 am to NorfolkVATiger
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Brandon LaFell suffered when we went from Lee to Jefferson, for the same reason.
Lafell led the SEC in receiving TDs with JJ at QB in 09, and his yds/ catches weren't far off what he did in 08. had he not gotten the dropsies in the Ole Miss clock game, they'd have been the same. so, bad example.
going from JLee to Jordan does seem to have hurt the ODB though. he'll be back to ballin' with Mett.
Posted on 12/30/11 at 12:04 am to Geaux2002
The funny thing is that our offense production is just as good if not better with the evolution on Kenny Hilliard and YES JJs ability to run the offense they tool for HIM. But the answer to the question of the OP is JJ. LSU ran two offenses this season. They both blew people out. I cant wait till next year to watch a passing game that utilizes mismatches that our WRs have been creating for the past few seasons that wernt able to be exploited except in small doses this year..(IE) Lee to Beckham vs WVU. That is hopefully we can see alot more of next year
Posted on 12/30/11 at 12:11 am to IIxxBREADxxII
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The funny thing is that our offense production is just as good if not better with the evolution on Kenny Hilliard and YES JJs ability to run the offense they tool for HIM. But the answer to the question of the OP is JJ.
Exactly. JJ limits the offense in certain ways and opens it up in others. It amazes me that if someone points out how JJ has LIMITED the offense, they are attacked as haters, and such.
If they want to argue semantics, LSU scored in all but 2 quarters I believe through the first 8 games. LSU struggled to manage a first down in the SEC CG. The defense/special teams clearly won us the Bama, Arkansas, and UGA games with JJ at the helm. The only good defense faced by JJ as a starter was UGA and he did absolutely nothing in that game outside of a long TD run in garbage time.
Posted on 12/30/11 at 12:21 am to Geaux2002
Miles has managed this thing beautifully. Its like he knows every strength and weakness of both qbs and did not let either one do ANYTHING that they wernt capable of doing. The things they do well we repeat over and over. Its a weird approach but after Perriloux left and subsequent inadequate recruting at the position this is the best possible outcome and a perfect season is still in sight. 
Posted on 12/30/11 at 12:44 am to IIxxBREADxxII
It's the receivers fault. Or the play calling. Or any possible excuse! 
Posted on 12/30/11 at 1:08 am to ATLTiger
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Lafell led the SEC in receiving TDs with JJ at QB in 09, and his yds/ catches weren't far off what he did in 08. had he not gotten the dropsies in the Ole Miss clock game, they'd have been the same. so, bad example.
The first 10 games of 2008, here's what LaFell averaged per game:
5.5 catches per game, 77.2 yards per game.
Beginning with the first game JJ started, through the end of 2009, here's what he averaged:
4.1 catches per game, 59.3 yards per game.
1.4 catches less per game, 18 yards less per game, most of it in his senior year.
I would call that significant.
Sorry if this is hijacking the thread, but I do think it's relevant to ODB's production. I also think JJ is the better QB overall for us this year. He's just different than Lee in some aspects of his game.
Posted on 12/30/11 at 8:32 am to NorfolkVATiger
simple math equation
x= jj's pt
y= wr's catches/game
y = -1x + 5
x= jj's pt
y= wr's catches/game
y = -1x + 5
Posted on 12/30/11 at 8:46 am to graychef
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Would you prefer a turnover machine or a run-oriented offense?
Because J. Lee was a turnover machine this season?
Posted on 12/30/11 at 8:49 am to ellessuuuu
Regardless if it's your intention, the facts are the facts.
Jlee did a better g
Job of getting ball to receivers than jj does.
It's a fact.
Objr should do like the rest of us and suck it up for one more game.
Then it'll be over.
Jlee did a better g
Job of getting ball to receivers than jj does.
It's a fact.
Objr should do like the rest of us and suck it up for one more game.
Then it'll be over.
Posted on 12/30/11 at 8:50 am to ellessuuuu
beckham's production has gone down since shep got back and got a few games under him.
fwiw, RR's production has been way down since jj took over as well.
part of it is WKU, then OLE PISS, and the other part is the offense is playing more to JJ's strengths, his running ability.
fwiw, RR's production has been way down since jj took over as well.
part of it is WKU, then OLE PISS, and the other part is the offense is playing more to JJ's strengths, his running ability.
Posted on 12/30/11 at 8:53 am to rickyh
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Always the JJ bandwagon defending what is painfully obvious to the unbiased fans. The passing game has gone in the tank just like the other 2 years with JJ at QB. Facts.
By that do you mean against UGA only? Because in JJ's other starts the passing game and total offense has been arguably the best it's been all season.
Posted on 12/30/11 at 8:53 am to rickyh
Beckham has the best hands on the team. Now that we have two Quarterbacks that can get him the ball the next couple of years he will really be able to display his talents.
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