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re: Breaking down Oregon
Posted on 6/18/11 at 9:41 pm to GeauxWarTigers
Posted on 6/18/11 at 9:41 pm to GeauxWarTigers
I'm much more worried about getting out of the SEC alive than I am about Oregon.
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Posted on 6/18/11 at 10:05 pm to faxis
Only game I'm really worried about is 'Bama. They are just as much in the title discussion as we are and we play them in Tuscaloosa. Will probably be a tight game as always. I'm just hoping our offense has gelled and that their new QB chokes in the spot light.
Posted on 6/18/11 at 11:02 pm to GeauxWarTigers
And back to Oregon. How many of you think that LSU would have beat the Ducks if we had played them for the national championship game last year? Honestly! I think it would have been a very close game. Now the next question is, which team lost the most off their teams? I say Oregon,and now they have lost 2 significant players to suspensions. I think that LSU is more intact. But can Krag work wonders with the mess that we have for an offense.
Posted on 6/19/11 at 3:21 am to rickyh
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And back to Oregon. How many of you think that LSU would have beat the Ducks if we had played them for the national championship game last year? Honestly! I think it would have been a very close game. Now the next question is, which team lost the most off their teams? I say Oregon,and now they have lost 2 significant players to suspensions. I think that LSU is more intact. But can Krag work wonders with the mess that we have for an offense.
Graduating JJ would have been addition by subtraction. I also believe that Oregon gets some addition by subtraction as well. We lose 2 275 DTs that were playing out of position by necessity. A 321 NT and a 292 move to starters and they are replaced by Remington (a 6'6" redshirt JUCO guy at 285) and Ebert, another JUCO kid at 285. Our interior should be better. Our end rotation will be better in my estimation as well.
The only place on defense that has questions for me is the LB corps depth that could be easily answered this fall due to stellar recruiting at that spot the last two years. However, our best three at linebacker are arguable the best 3 that we've ever had.
Posted on 6/19/11 at 10:51 am to bisonduck
How many of the Oregon players were drafted last year and in what round? In recent years LSU has been having players drafted early and often. PP7 was our latest 1st rounder. I know that Oregon is recruiting well now but your coach has to be credited with resurrecting your program and doing more with less.
Posted on 6/19/11 at 10:54 am to rickyh
Casey Matthews was a mid-round pick this last draft. The highest Oregon Duck draft that I can remember was Max Unger.
Posted on 6/19/11 at 10:57 am to rickyh
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People saying that LSU will walk over this team are crazy.
We aren't walk over them, we are running. There is a big difference.
Posted on 6/19/11 at 10:59 am to rickyh
Oregon had one player drafted, Casey Matthews in the 4th.
Posted on 6/19/11 at 11:36 am to memphisplaya
I know that you are joking. LSU beat Tenn. last year by one of the strangest events I have ever seen. Oregon totally embarrassed Tenn. Watch the highlights. It is okay to pull for your team and be a homey but don't make statements that make you look like someone who doesn't know anything about football. With the way Oregon is recruiting, they will have more draft eligible players. I am a die hard LSU fan but I do recognize a strong opponent when I see one. This is going to be a good game. I hope that the Tigers are up to the task.
Posted on 6/19/11 at 11:47 am to rickyh
Please stop talking about Tenn.
Oregon played Tenn 2nd game of the season. Tenn had no depth and the blur got to them. At one point, Tenn was up 13-3.
LSU played a lot better than Oregon did. Oregon gained 447 and gave up 333. LSU gained 434 and gave up 217. That was our worst offensive game, and we had 3 INT's, a fumble, and a missed FG. Game shouldn't of been close.
Oregon played Tenn 2nd game of the season. Tenn had no depth and the blur got to them. At one point, Tenn was up 13-3.
LSU played a lot better than Oregon did. Oregon gained 447 and gave up 333. LSU gained 434 and gave up 217. That was our worst offensive game, and we had 3 INT's, a fumble, and a missed FG. Game shouldn't of been close.
Posted on 6/19/11 at 11:50 am to rickyh
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With the way Oregon is recruiting, they will have more draft eligible players. I am a die hard LSU fan but I do recognize a strong opponent when I see one. This is going to be a good game. I hope that the Tigers are up to the task.
Is Oregon's recruiting benefiting from USC's problems, in your opinion?
Posted on 6/19/11 at 12:59 pm to Hitchcock
One thing that has been pointed out here a couple of times is that we are losing our top two receivers. In general I think that Duck fans are optimistically looking past this fact. The reality is that it is striking when watching highlights from last season how often Jeff Maehl was involved. Simply put, Maehl made a ton of tough catches, in critical moments in games. We also generally overlook the work of DJ Davis who was a veteran that keyed big runs with important blocks, and a clutch receiver in his own right.
The fact of the matter is that as a fanbase we have become spoiled. Ever since Chip Kelly arrived as our Offensive Coordinator, it has seemed like we've been able to make subtle changes, and plug in new names while preserving our stupidly entertaining "death machine" ( (c) chris/smart football) of an offense.
That said there are a few ways Oregon can hope to compensate for the losses of their two leading receivers. All conference tight end David Paulson was already mentioned in this thread - but his primary backup (Brandon Williams) was not. Williams was injured much of last year, but for a glimpse of what he offers the Ducks offensively, check this one play from the Tennessee game ( https://youtu.be/4G8MKh55-Lg?t=3m17s ) and note how Williams can fly in the open field. For all the talk of Paulson's NFL future, if Williams stays healthy he could easily find himself playing on Sundays as well. A healthy Williams and some contribution from true-frosh wonder Colt Lyerla will also enable Oregon to spend more time in two-te sets, which lacking in proven WR talent is something we are definitely expecting come fall.
A full-go Kenjon Barner might also help Oregon offset the loss of receiver production. Barner suffered a frightening concussion last year in Pullman, and as a result Oregon wasn't able to fully take advantage of the James-Barner tandem threat last season pretty much until the BCS Championship game against Auburn. Oregon will use Barner in the versatile TZR role, frequently motioning him into and out of the backfield from a slot position. With a good Fall camp Lache Seastrunk could also factor heavily in the same way, as well as incoming true freshman phenom De'Anthony Thomas, and another true freshman who wants to play early, talented WR Devon Blackmon. These factors added to Josh Huff give Oregon a decent chance to survive the losses of Maehl and Davis.
But if Oregon's offensive line is not ready to go from minute 1, none of this will matter.
The fact of the matter is that as a fanbase we have become spoiled. Ever since Chip Kelly arrived as our Offensive Coordinator, it has seemed like we've been able to make subtle changes, and plug in new names while preserving our stupidly entertaining "death machine" ( (c) chris/smart football) of an offense.
That said there are a few ways Oregon can hope to compensate for the losses of their two leading receivers. All conference tight end David Paulson was already mentioned in this thread - but his primary backup (Brandon Williams) was not. Williams was injured much of last year, but for a glimpse of what he offers the Ducks offensively, check this one play from the Tennessee game ( https://youtu.be/4G8MKh55-Lg?t=3m17s ) and note how Williams can fly in the open field. For all the talk of Paulson's NFL future, if Williams stays healthy he could easily find himself playing on Sundays as well. A healthy Williams and some contribution from true-frosh wonder Colt Lyerla will also enable Oregon to spend more time in two-te sets, which lacking in proven WR talent is something we are definitely expecting come fall.
A full-go Kenjon Barner might also help Oregon offset the loss of receiver production. Barner suffered a frightening concussion last year in Pullman, and as a result Oregon wasn't able to fully take advantage of the James-Barner tandem threat last season pretty much until the BCS Championship game against Auburn. Oregon will use Barner in the versatile TZR role, frequently motioning him into and out of the backfield from a slot position. With a good Fall camp Lache Seastrunk could also factor heavily in the same way, as well as incoming true freshman phenom De'Anthony Thomas, and another true freshman who wants to play early, talented WR Devon Blackmon. These factors added to Josh Huff give Oregon a decent chance to survive the losses of Maehl and Davis.
But if Oregon's offensive line is not ready to go from minute 1, none of this will matter.
This post was edited on 6/19/11 at 1:02 pm
Posted on 6/19/11 at 12:59 pm to bisonduck
I think a lot of people miss the point (both Oregon and LSU fans). Everyone keeps talking about all of these incredible athletes that are stepping into starting roles this year. The BOTTOM is that these guys have to GEL and develop chemistry with each other. I don't care how athletic or fast or strong these players are. They must be able to play as one unit, something that isn't just developed through off-season training.
Oregon fans, it's UNDERSTOOD that you have an extreme amount of talent but it takes time for guys to develop on-the-field cohesion. Alabama, Texas, Florida, and even LSU have all been examples of this following the loss of of significant players. It doesn't mean Oregon won't be a very good team, but when you lose players in key positions like Oregon did you lose TEAM CHEMISTRY. Now, whether or not you believe that is up to you.
We will face a similar task with our offense and defense. It's tough to just plug guys in and keep continuity, ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE!
Being athletic or fast or whatever is only half the equation! It will be a good game and Oregon may very well beat LSU. But there are so many unknowns at this point, its hard for either side to be too confident right now.
Oregon fans, it's UNDERSTOOD that you have an extreme amount of talent but it takes time for guys to develop on-the-field cohesion. Alabama, Texas, Florida, and even LSU have all been examples of this following the loss of of significant players. It doesn't mean Oregon won't be a very good team, but when you lose players in key positions like Oregon did you lose TEAM CHEMISTRY. Now, whether or not you believe that is up to you.
We will face a similar task with our offense and defense. It's tough to just plug guys in and keep continuity, ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE!
Being athletic or fast or whatever is only half the equation! It will be a good game and Oregon may very well beat LSU. But there are so many unknowns at this point, its hard for either side to be too confident right now.
Posted on 6/19/11 at 1:07 pm to fan251
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I like the link you provided. They do say 25 players played on defense. Almost all of them also said they were worried about the depth and how those backups would respond to getting more snaps as starters. Your link that was supposed to support your defense actually indicates that your defense is actually a question mark on your team. Thank you for providing the link backing up the opinions of most LSU fans.
Yea... I think you got this wrong.
The concern expressed from the ESPN crew was that the back-end of our "first 25" is now expected to be on the field first, so where does the depth come from to fill out that group of 25 guys? In other words we might have the replacement for Casey Matthews taken care of - but what about replacing the guy that came in 2nd behind him? That's the key.
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I could be wrong, but I'm willing to bet we played a lot of guys. 25 really isn't that many guys (if you substitute a new guy for each starter from time to time you are already up to 22).
The question is were your "25" seeing the meaningful snaps that ours were? Oregon's defense usually faces more snaps than any other defense in the country by virtue of the offense that Oregon employs, and the coaches made a point last season particularly of treating the "second stringers" as if they were just a second group of starters - swapping them out regularly from the first series of the first quarter all the way through to the end of the game. (Unless of course it became a blow-out.)
Posted on 6/19/11 at 1:09 pm to BellottiBold
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And btw, did you watch our spring game? It was our O that was having issues and our D was incredible.
*sigh*
It was a spring game. The D is always ahead.
Posted on 6/19/11 at 3:02 pm to coldhotwings
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Casey Matthews was a mid-round pick this last draft. The highest Oregon Duck draft that I can remember was Max Unger.
Haloti Ngata, Jonathan Stewart, and Kellen Clemens were all first round in recent years. I can't remember where dixon was taken. Chung,
Ward and Byrd were like second round and Thurmond was 4th. Ed Dickson is playing a lot as well. We've drafted fairly well the last 5 years outside of last year.
Maehl and Bair still might have productive NFL careers though.
This post was edited on 6/19/11 at 3:06 pm
Posted on 6/19/11 at 3:30 pm to bisonduck
Any of y'all ( LSU and Oregon fans) actually thunk anything we argue about here will help our team win? The past is the past and everyhjbg that happened next year is New!
Posted on 6/19/11 at 3:53 pm to BellottiBold
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*sigh* It was a spring game. The D is always ahead.
Did I say this was not the case?
And did I say anything untruthful even? It was the amount of Defensive domination that impressed me not just that the D was ahead some. Of course D's are usually ahead at spring. Even still the play on the D impressed me much. And it also seemed to impress our coaches and other fans. Next time sigh to yourself where you will feel important. Your tripping on your ego there Mike.
Posted on 6/19/11 at 4:11 pm to 7thWardTiger
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Please stop talking about Tenn. Oregon played Tenn 2nd game of the season. Tenn had no depth and the blur got to them. At one point, Tenn was up 13-3. LSU played a lot better than Oregon did. Oregon gained 447 and gave up 333. LSU gained 434 and gave up 217.
7thWardTiger. You are following classic homer SEC logic with this one such as:
1) Pac10 team is no good
2) SEC will pound them
3) When Pac10 team wins, the SEC played very badly since the Pac10 team is no good
And your use of saying Tenn was up at one point early in the game at 13-3 is hilarious. Last time I checked CF is for 60 mins. And as you hate to hear, we did not just beat them but broke Neyland Stadiums all time record for worst Tenn lost there. Funny how some SEC fans will point to a early point in the game and say, "see there, you were not too good as we were up over you at this point..." Seeing fans use a early score total to use as evidence why they were better(even though they got blown out in the game) is the most pathetic thing I have ever seen.
As far as yardage. The only thing that decides if a team wins or not is points. Whoever has the most points wins. And many factors do not show up on yardage such as skill players on a team such a Cliff Harris doing his flashy work and stealing off a pass and taking it for a pix 6. And then we had that great punt return to the house by Barner. They count as points, but not yards. I am pretty certain CF goes by points in determining who is better. Anybody who saw that game knows we demolished Tenn up, down, front, back, sideways, and forwards! And most of your other LSU fans know this and are easily pointing this out to you. But trying to Cherry pick certain points out of that Tenn-UO game and rob us of our victory is pathetic. I hope you do not do the same if UO beats LSU. But it wont surprise me if you do.
To the rest:
48-13 UO. See for yourself: UO-Tenn vid
This post was edited on 6/19/11 at 4:15 pm
Posted on 6/19/11 at 7:46 pm to DucksflyinPAC
You have to understand that a lot of these posters are kids and some behave badly. I appreciate the fortune that this thread had had with objective posts. Not all but most.To answer one point about how much playing time our backups received, honestly, as much as yours. Our defense loses its best DT-Drake Nevis, its best corner-PP7, Our best linebacker who was the captain of our defense-Kelvin Sheppard and our other starting defensive tackle in Pep Livingston. The hardest guy we will replace is our MLB KS. Our safeties are pro quality, and our corners are rock solid, Our linebackers are on the small side, so we had trouble tackling someone like Cam Newton. While our offense was pitiful, to be kind. We lost our starting left Tackle and our top running back. But this without a doubt is our biggest and strongest offensive line since Les has been our coach. But because our starting QB has problems reading defenses and throwing the ball. Defenses stack the box and stuff our running game at times and we go a lot of 3 and outs. We lost our great punter and PK who was also great. PP7 was our biggest weapon on special teams and he will be hard to replace. This is where we are, of course like you, we have some young talent waiting their turn.
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