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re: Brian Kelley is 16-6…….
Posted on 11/2/23 at 7:57 am to Wichita Co Tiger
Posted on 11/2/23 at 7:57 am to Wichita Co Tiger
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Who would you have hired who is more accomplished as a head coach ?
Any name I drop will be crucified. You guys say that what a coach has done at a previous school doesn't matter because LSU has a better talent pool to pick from based on its geographic location. I agree that LSU has more fertile recruiting grounds than most schools. If I say I wanted John Doe. Your response would be that John Doe sucks balls, just look at his record.
My opinion is that for 95 million, LSU could have gotten pretty much any coach, other than a select few who already make that kind of money.
I think I've been pretty clear about wanting a younger up & coming type coach who could be here for much longer than BK. I do not know that mans name, I do not scout college football coaches for a living. I did not want Nick Saban. I was hoping for the next Nick Saban. Instead I got a seasoned veteran with a lackluster record vs ranked teams.
Remember that when Saban came here, he was a young up & coming coach who was just getting started in his career.
I have no inside info & I'm not claiming to have any. But I hope that the powers that be @ LSU have a plan to groom a young HC in waiting at some point during BK's tenure.
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Posted on 11/2/23 at 8:04 am to Wichita Co Tiger
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Having said that you also noted that smart and Saban aren’t coming bc smart is a UgA guy and Saban is 75 or whatever. Dabo isn’t playing the NIL game and you’re seeing how that’s going
So who would you have hired who is more accomplished than Bk?
Realistic candidates only. Urban isn’t coaching again due to health and all the shite that came out about him so he’s a nonstarter as well.
Who ya got?
Exactly what I was wondering.
This post was edited on 11/2/23 at 8:08 am
Posted on 11/2/23 at 8:07 am to jsmoke222000
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My opinion is that for 95 million, LSU could have gotten pretty much any coach, other than a select few who already make that kind of money.
So give examples. And don’t say “any name I give will be crucified.”
You’ve been ripping Kelly left and right and you don’t have any issue with that. So who would you have hired?
Riley who loves not having a defense? (And that’s not a one year thing. Historically his defenses have been pretty bad)
So who do you want?
Posted on 11/2/23 at 8:16 am to jsmoke222000
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Any name I drop will be crucified.
Not if that person has a better resume than BK.
As for “young up and coming coaches” that’s a fine stance except that given the shape of our program by the end of 2021 we really needed someone proven who we knew would build a strong program that would have sustained success. We weren’t really in a position to roll the dice on the next Tom Herman
Posted on 11/2/23 at 9:03 am to Wichita Co Tiger
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As for “young up and coming coaches” that’s a fine stance except that given the shape of our program by the end of 2021 we really needed someone proven who we knew would build a strong program that would have sustained success. We weren’t really in a position to roll the dice on the next Tom Herman
Saban took over a dumpster fire when he came here & turned it around. I was hoping for the same. I wanted a young energetic coach who could build a dynasty, not an old weather veteran.
Think about when Tom Brady went to Tampa Bay. Dude won the superbowl, but everyone on the planet knew that it was going to be short lived & that's exactly what happened. Tampa Bay got a proven QB who came in & had immediate success for a short period of time before he retired. That is what I see happening with Brian Kelly.
I have never wavered in my opinion. Feel free to read my past posts: LINK
5/1/22
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I've said this many times. Brian Kelly is the guy u hire 10 years ago. He will not coach here for 10 years and fulfill his contract. I will bet anyone on this board on that. I simply wanted to avoid doing all of this coaching search shite all over again in the not so distant future. But by hiring a man who will qualify for social security in 2 years, this is exactly what we will be doing. I'm sure he will do fine, I'm sure he will win games and probably get us to the playoffs and a natty. But he will leave early for 1 reason or another. That is my prediction.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 9:04 am to jsmoke222000
Who do you want? It’s a pretty simple question.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 9:05 am to jsmoke222000
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Any name I drop will be crucified.
At some point you have to consider that maybe that's because you're just wrong.
Also, all of your vitriol directed towards Kelly while not presenting an alternative solution is very odd.
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You guys say that what a coach has done at a previous school doesn't matter because LSU has a better talent pool to pick from based on its geographic location. I agree that LSU has more fertile recruiting grounds than most schools. If I say I wanted John Doe. Your response would be that John Doe sucks balls, just look at his record.
So many strawmen arguments.
People have simply said that his record vs elite teams isn't a big deal because he hasn't had elite talent.
There is no argument for hiring a career .500 coach just because he would have more talent at LSU.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 9:06 am to jsmoke222000
So you were more worried about what happened 6-10 years down the road than stabilizing the program? Because that’s what he was brought in to do.
Have you forgotten where we were before he got here?
Have you forgotten where we were before he got here?
Posted on 11/2/23 at 9:12 am to Reeaholic
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... and winning the west after inherenting 39 schlorship players ...
Which I find to be extremely impressive!! 'Bama about to find out. LSU by 17+.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 9:14 am to la_birdman
I was torn between Luke Fickell & Dave Aranda. When the Lincoln Riley rumors started I was super concerned about his defensive track record. My concerns were apparently well founded when you see his defense @ USC.
Again, I don't scout college football coaches. I do think that for 95 million, LSU could have gotten pretty much anyone, including Luke Fickell & Dave Aranda. Honestly that could have gotten them for much less probably.
I wanted a younger coach to build a dynasty. Scott Woodward went with a proven coach who is nearing the end of his career. What is so hard to understand about that?
If you were 45 years old & single, would you want a 60 year old girlfriend or a 30 year old? Experience or youth?
Again, I don't scout college football coaches. I do think that for 95 million, LSU could have gotten pretty much anyone, including Luke Fickell & Dave Aranda. Honestly that could have gotten them for much less probably.
I wanted a younger coach to build a dynasty. Scott Woodward went with a proven coach who is nearing the end of his career. What is so hard to understand about that?
If you were 45 years old & single, would you want a 60 year old girlfriend or a 30 year old? Experience or youth?
Posted on 11/2/23 at 9:17 am to jsmoke222000
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Saban took over a dumpster fire when he came here & turned it around. I was hoping for the same. I wanted a young energetic coach who could build a dynasty, not an old weather veteran.
You keep using Saban as the example in your argument while leaving out the fact that Saban didn't build a dynasty at LSU and left after 5 seasons.
Kirby has built a dynasty at Georgia and is already talking retirement.
The smoke around Lincoln Riley is that he's already considering retirement or a possible jump to the NFL.
You can't seem to comprehend that there's no guarantee that a "younger guy" would stay here any longer than Brian Kelly would, in fact, the statistics are overwhelmingly against it.
This post was edited on 11/2/23 at 9:28 am
Posted on 11/2/23 at 9:20 am to jsmoke222000
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If you were 45 years old & single, would you want a 60 year old girlfriend or a 30 year old? Experience or youth?
We’re not picking girlfriends. We’re picking head football coaches.
Not to mention it really depends on what the 60 year old and 30 year old have to offer.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 9:21 am to jsmoke222000
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What is so hard to understand about that?
I don’t know why you’re getting defensive.
You’ve been tearing Kelly apart left and right while whining that you didn’t (and still don’t) want him at LSU (and that’s fine) but to not offer who you wanted (or currently want) is a bit strange, you have to admit.
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I was torn between Luke Fickell & Dave Aranda.
That’s all anyone wanted to know but you know what they say about hindsight. Do you still want them?
I’d take Aranda back in a second as a DC but not as a HC.
This post was edited on 11/2/23 at 9:31 am
Posted on 11/2/23 at 9:25 am to SidewalkTiger
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You can't seem to comprehend that there's no guarantee that a "younger guy" would stay here any longer than Brian Kelly would, in fact, the statistics are overwhelmingly against it.
Exactly.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 9:28 am to la_birdman
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So give examples. And don’t say “any name I give will be crucified.”
This guy is full of shite. Won’t name one coach cause he will be torn to pieces and he wouldn’t be able to keep up his troll BK sucks show.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 9:31 am to Le Tenia
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Won’t name one coach
He finally named two. I’m just curious if he’s still “torn” between the two.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 9:33 am to SidewalkTiger
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You can't seem to comprehend that there's no guarantee that a "younger guy" would stay here any longer than Brian Kelly would, in fact, the statistics are overwhelmingly against it.
You can't seem to comprehend that there's no guarantee that a "younger guy" wouldn't stay here any longer than Brian Kelly would. It's a hypothetical & nobody can know for sure.
Coaching is a business & most coaches are loyal to the almighty dollar, BK included. He didn't come here for free & he can say all he wants that he came here to win a natty, but if Woodward had offered to simply match his ND salary, I seriously doubt he would be here. Make no mistake that 95 million got him here.
BK is 62, he will retire sooner rather than later & all the 30 & 40 year old coaches who were out there when BK was hired will all still be coaching for another 10+ years when he leaves.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 9:35 am to jsmoke222000
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You can't seem to comprehend that there's no guarantee that a "younger guy" wouldn't stay here any longer than Brian Kelly would. It's a hypothetical & nobody can know for sure.
The odds are against it. If this “younger guy” is that successful, I can guarantee you that he’d get offers from other schools and perhaps even the pros.
See Saban after 2003.
I digress-do you still want Fickell or Aranda?
This post was edited on 11/2/23 at 9:40 am
Posted on 11/2/23 at 9:38 am to jsmoke222000
Give it up dude. BK is a proven winner despite all of your cherry picked stat/FACTS. You’ve proven to be a blow hard that gets hung up on trivial things like Teslas, passionate coaching, wins, deserved contracts, age and proven leadership and a terrible accident caused by Mother Nature and not BK pushing it over.
Go find another team to troll because you obviously aren’t a fan of LSU football.
Go find another team to troll because you obviously aren’t a fan of LSU football.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 9:42 am to jsmoke222000
Your an idiot. Picking out one play to define the game? Also he inherited a 39 man roster. One of the lowest in college football. A team that had to use a wide receiver in its last bowl game to play quarterback. A team that was in total disarray. It was YEAR 1. Your a huge dork/nerd that doesn't know shite. He beat Bama in his first year with what he had. LSU was 1-11 against BAMA prior to his win. Bama was loaded with 5 stars. Your an idiot.
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