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re: De Ja Vu? hope not......
Posted on 2/14/09 at 4:38 pm to Cadello
Posted on 2/14/09 at 4:38 pm to Cadello
quote:Somebody had to coach a defense that held Duke to 54. All that athleticism only scored 62.
I think the athletisim brought us to the Final 4, not Brady's intricate coaching schemes.
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Posted on 2/14/09 at 4:41 pm to lsutiger4life
quote:Brady tanked in 2006-2007 and 2007-2008. He never "tanked" before. The 2001 season was one of the unluckiest a coach can have. Two starters out for the season, and sanctions. From that season on, the program slowly got better, never worse, until the Final Four in 2006. THEN Brady tanked. And that's when he got fired. The AD knows what's up. Thank goodness the Bashers were never in charge--they would have robbed LSU of a Final Four.
Brady tanked.....
Posted on 2/14/09 at 4:44 pm to tigerstros
quote:This is a typical Brady Basher argument.
Hey tigger 20, go to hell and stay there -at Arkansas St. Go blow him over there.
They are obsessed with Brady's sex life. It's perverted.
Posted on 2/14/09 at 4:45 pm to tiger20
tigerCATAstrosPHY says @#$!!%&$#!!. Translation: He's WRONG!!
Posted on 2/14/09 at 5:38 pm to LSUBEATLES
Hey wittle beetles, xiv, and tigger20, answer the question losers. When will Bama and Georgia come a calling for an interview with Brady for their head coaching vacancies? Yall know he is way too good to stay at crappy Arkansas St. very long right? Plus he won't have to deal with Dranconian Sanctions at Bama or Georgia, and yall nor he would have that built in excuse when he would of course flop. But we all know the truth, and that is no AD at a halfway decent school, with a brain in his head, would ever, EVER even consider Brady for even an interview, much less hire him. If Jowls was so damned good shitheads, where are all of the top notch Major or even mid major division 1 coaching offers? Where is that? Yeah, that's what I knew. Nowhere, and never will be! 
Just remember, Brady only got this job because of the dranconian sanctions like you always call them. He would never have gotten the job in any other situation, and everybody but you bunch of idiots realize that! he should have never been hired, and then should have been shitcanned long before he was. Now, get ready to watch a real coach beat the crap out of Ole Miss tonite, without our starting point guard.
Just remember, Brady only got this job because of the dranconian sanctions like you always call them. He would never have gotten the job in any other situation, and everybody but you bunch of idiots realize that! he should have never been hired, and then should have been shitcanned long before he was. Now, get ready to watch a real coach beat the crap out of Ole Miss tonite, without our starting point guard.Posted on 2/15/09 at 10:58 am to tigerstros
quote:That question has already been answered by me. When somebody arranges words in a certain order, they do so in the hopes that you will read them and interpret their meanings based on their current working definitions. This was done in a previous post, but apparently you can't read because you have "certain things" on your mind.
Hey wittle beetles, xiv, and tigger20, answer the question losers. When will Bama and Georgia come a calling for an interview with Brady for their head coaching vacancies?
quote:Brady was hired two years before any sanctions were delivered. You are not a smart person.
Just remember, Brady only got this job because of the dranconian sanctions like you always call them.
quote:Uh-oh--Brady ran him off?
without our starting point guard.
Posted on 2/15/09 at 11:15 am to xiv
I always thought Brady was a very good coach on the defensive/rebounding side of the ball. But his teams always lacked imagination on offense, especially against the zone. Now maybe if he would have been able to bring in a decent PG...like DJ Augustin...the offense would have looked better. The PG is where it all starts.
But one thing Im certain about is that the man was hard to watch on the sidelines...borderline disgraceful with his antics. And I dont think his strong suit was managing the game. But I think he had his teams prepared well and generally played hard...especially on D.
Im thankful he put together a team that made the Final Four...but Im also thankful he's gone. I respect TJ alot more than Brady.
But one thing Im certain about is that the man was hard to watch on the sidelines...borderline disgraceful with his antics. And I dont think his strong suit was managing the game. But I think he had his teams prepared well and generally played hard...especially on D.
Im thankful he put together a team that made the Final Four...but Im also thankful he's gone. I respect TJ alot more than Brady.
Posted on 2/15/09 at 1:32 pm to HOUbengal
Hey xiv shithead, every time any of you four Brady lovers speak of brady, all yall do is make excuses for how shitty they were based on the dranconian sanctions that he had to deal with. Now, you clusterfrick, you are saying that his hire was before any sanctions and that him getting this job had nothing to do with that? You, you fricking JACKASS, have nothing but shite between your ears, boy! Spin it any way you want whiffitpoof, however, you failed to answer the question about when Brady will be interviewing for real coaching jobs at halfway decent programs in the coming year, since he is such a hot name out there! He will NEVER EVER coach at a top 50 or probably even a top 100 program EVER again. If not for the probation here, or impending probation, and shithead Joe Dean, Brady never even gets a look, period! Now, go watch arky st. lose again, clown!
He will NEVER EVER coach at a top 50 or probably even a top 100 program EVER again. If not for the probation here, or impending probation, and shithead Joe Dean, Brady never even gets a look, period! Now, go watch arky st. lose again, clown!Posted on 2/15/09 at 9:38 pm to tigerstros
Let me clarify my feelings on John Brady, so I will not be stereotyped and grouped in with the Brady Bashers class of '03 (i was in the class of '05).
The man knows basketball and I never said he didn't. X's and O's and defensive stratagies, he's fairly sound. His offense were unimaginative, but luckily he had some of the best 2nd chance points teams in the SEC with Swift, Jabari Smith, Lloreda, Bass, Baby, Tyrus, etc.
I don't like who he was, though, and felt his personality is what cost him a job. He took chances on players and could not keep many of them around. Instead of going the Tubby Smith route and recruiting system players (because coaches like Brady need a system), he went for guys like Lloreda, Minor, and Shawnson Johnson - risks at every level. He went after superstar high school players and only got his money's worth, overall, out of Bass and Davis. Darrell Mitchell and Darnel Lazare were twop of few who never had any incidents and improved every year. As good as Dupree, Bright, CTIII, etc. were, they never did anything spectacular except for 2000...we're talking about a core group of players who came into together in '99 and got one Sweet 16 and not much else. That was a problem I had. Brady could not develop his teams. The Draconian Sanctions hindered us, but they did not affect the core of players who were freshmen on that Sweet 16 team.
Brady did not reprsent LSU well and that is a huge part of the game. He didn't promote and he wasn't grateful to the people that preceded him. Had he run a good program - without troubles - and promoted it the right way, while handling himself in a mature way that a head coach should, better facilities could have been established and more recruits would not have said "no". More importantly, the players he did take a chance on would not have left. The attrition rate was just too atypical.
It was not so much the losses, as it was the overall inconsistencies in all other areas of John Brady. The guy went from Samford to LSU. That's not supposed to happen - sanctions or not. He just wasn't capable of continuing to be a dominant head coach, even with the Final 4 run.
The man knows basketball and I never said he didn't. X's and O's and defensive stratagies, he's fairly sound. His offense were unimaginative, but luckily he had some of the best 2nd chance points teams in the SEC with Swift, Jabari Smith, Lloreda, Bass, Baby, Tyrus, etc.
I don't like who he was, though, and felt his personality is what cost him a job. He took chances on players and could not keep many of them around. Instead of going the Tubby Smith route and recruiting system players (because coaches like Brady need a system), he went for guys like Lloreda, Minor, and Shawnson Johnson - risks at every level. He went after superstar high school players and only got his money's worth, overall, out of Bass and Davis. Darrell Mitchell and Darnel Lazare were twop of few who never had any incidents and improved every year. As good as Dupree, Bright, CTIII, etc. were, they never did anything spectacular except for 2000...we're talking about a core group of players who came into together in '99 and got one Sweet 16 and not much else. That was a problem I had. Brady could not develop his teams. The Draconian Sanctions hindered us, but they did not affect the core of players who were freshmen on that Sweet 16 team.
Brady did not reprsent LSU well and that is a huge part of the game. He didn't promote and he wasn't grateful to the people that preceded him. Had he run a good program - without troubles - and promoted it the right way, while handling himself in a mature way that a head coach should, better facilities could have been established and more recruits would not have said "no". More importantly, the players he did take a chance on would not have left. The attrition rate was just too atypical.
It was not so much the losses, as it was the overall inconsistencies in all other areas of John Brady. The guy went from Samford to LSU. That's not supposed to happen - sanctions or not. He just wasn't capable of continuing to be a dominant head coach, even with the Final 4 run.
Posted on 2/15/09 at 9:51 pm to tigerstros
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If not for the probation here, or impending probation, and shithead Joe Dean, Brady never even gets a look, period!
Quote of the day.
Bottom line, Brady wasn't good enough to coach at a major school like LSU. I hope all the Brady lovers admit it, and we can move on.
Posted on 2/15/09 at 10:58 pm to Stromile Swift
As long as he recruits well and the guys keep playing hard, we will be fine.
Posted on 2/15/09 at 11:06 pm to PiscesTiger
quote:
I don't like who he was, though, and felt his personality is what cost him a job. He took chances on players and could not keep many of them around. Instead of going the Tubby Smith route and recruiting system players (because coaches like Brady need a system), he went for guys like Lloreda, Minor, and Shawnson Johnson - risks at every level. He went after superstar high school players and only got his money's worth, overall, out of Bass and Davis.
It's a lot easier to take the Tubby Smith route when you are coaching off of the Kentucky legacy.
Brady inherited a moribund program which had progressively deteriorated with four straight losing seasons. It is easy to highlight the risks without taking into account the solid citizens taht made up the bulk of his teams.
Brandon Bass was SEC Academic athlete of teh year for all sports. Collis Temple III and Brad Bridgewater were in grad school in their last season. Ronald Dupree was an engineering major. Darnell Lazare and Darrel Mitchell graduated and represented the university with class. Glen Davis had to deal with personal family issues played out in the media that would have been devestating to many in private. Maurice Carter could have transferred and been immediately eligible when the NCAA levied sanctions, yet chose to stay and rebuild the Tiger program.
I have no idea what you mean by only Mitchell and Lazare not having incidents. When have you ever heard a player under Brady was involved with the police? Can you say the same about the football team?
Lloreda was an All SEC caliber player until he was injured and missed the final part of hi ssenior season. Tack Minor was an improving player
quote:until he had academic impropieties.
As good as Dupree, Bright, CTIII, etc. were, they never did anything spectacular except for 2000...we're talking about a core group of players who came into together in '99 and got one Sweet 16 and not much else. That was a problem I had. Brady could not develop his teams. The Draconian Sanctions hindered us, but they did not affect the core of players who were freshmen on that Sweet 16 team.
You do realize taht the full effects of the draconian sanctions impacted the 2001 and 2002 seasons, an dto a limited extent the 2003 season. The 2001 team played teh SEC schedule with only five scholarship players after losing two starters to season ending injuries on top of NCAA scholarship limitations. The program got progressively better starting in 2002 when they made the NIT. Injuries to CT III also had a significant impact.
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He didn't promote and he wasn't grateful to the people that preceded him. Had he run a good program - without troubles - and promoted it the right way, while handling himself in a mature way that a head coach should, better facilities could have been established
It should not have been his job to promote the program. There was a well paid sports marketing department to handle that. Has Trent Johnson gone out and promoted the program? He was a no show for his own radio program a couple of weeks ago. Imagine if Brady had done that? I know he was recruiting Demarcus Cousins and I am glad he was, but couldn't a sub have filled in?
Better facilities were long promised yet always put on the back burner for a football related project. The final straw was the delay in buliding the practice facility to build a new women's softball facility.
quote:
More importantly, the players he did take a chance on would not have left. The attrition rate was just too atypical
Actually the attrition was typical of the college basketball landscape today. The attrition nder Brady was average for college basketbll despite the parochial negative picture portrayed by our rantards. Billy Donovan had a higher attrition rate. Had Bass, Swift, Tyrus, and Davis stayed one more year they would have been in the hunt for a national title and been consisterntly at the top of the SEC and in the national polls.
quote:
It was not so much the losses, as it was the overall inconsistencies in all other areas of John Brady. The guy went from Samford to LSU. That's not supposed to happen - sanctions or not. He just wasn't capable of continuing to be a dominant head coach, even with the Final 4 run.
If it is so damn easy then why haven't other coaches in the SEC who did not have to deal with NCAA sanctions achieve the same thing. only Donovan and Tubby exceeded Brady's accomplishments.
Posted on 2/15/09 at 11:17 pm to tiger20
quote:
Actually the attrition was typical of the college basketball landscape today. The attrition nder Brady was average for college basketbll despite the parochial negative picture portrayed by our rantards. Billy Donovan had a higher attrition rate. Had Bass, Swift, Tyrus, and Davis stayed one more year they would have been in the hunt for a national title and been consisterntly at the top of the SEC and in the national polls.
T20,
Please re-read your own paragraph that I quoted here
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Actually the attrition was typical of the college basketball landscape today. The attrition nder Brady was average for college basketbll despite the parochial negative picture portrayed by our rantards. Billy Donovan had a higher attrition rate.
But BD won 2 NCs while Brady alsways lost in the tournament by double digits.
Posted on 2/15/09 at 11:41 pm to LSUMONSTER
quote:
Please re-read your own paragraph that I quoted here
I don't know how you can disagree with this.
quote:
But BD won 2 NCs while Brady alsways lost in the tournament by double digits.
Billy D never had to deal with draconian sanctions.
In fact Brady took a team to the Sweet 16 in year three on a team built before NCAA sanctions and to a Final Four in the third season after the effects of NCAA sanctions ended.
Donovan who had no NCAA issues to contend with took a team to the Sweet 16 in year three and to the Final Four in his fourth season. Then his teams were eliminated five straight seasons in either the first or second round by much lower seeded teams.
So rea;lly after nine seasons Brady and Donovan's accomplishments were similar when the NCAA sanctions were factored in.
This post was edited on 2/15/09 at 11:43 pm
Posted on 2/15/09 at 11:52 pm to PiscesTiger
quote:Stopped reading right there. Nobody cares about anyone's "feelings" about John Brady! Two SEC titles and a Final Four were two more SEC titles and one more Final Four than we thought the guy would get.
Let me clarify my feelings on John Brady
Bottom line: I was right, and the Bashers were wrong.
Posted on 2/16/09 at 1:51 am to xiv
quote:
Stopped reading right there
Trite thing to say. No you didn't.
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Nobody cares about anyone's "feelings" about John Brady!
Unless "Nobody" is a friend of yours, you, sir, are a bigger moron than people give you credit for. Peoples' "feelings" about Brady is why they didn't want him as our coach any longer.
quote:
Bottom line: I was right, and the Bashers were wrong
About what? Unless Brady grew 7 inches and became black, me thinks not...
Posted on 2/16/09 at 2:09 am to tiger20
quote:
I have no idea what you mean by only Mitchell and Lazare not having incidents. When have you ever heard a player under Brady was involved with the police?
Incidents:
Collins, Minor, Lloreda, S. Johnson, Gransberry, Bush, J Young, Rolle, etc. All had incidents of some sort.
quote:
Can you say the same about the football team?
Why do you always make this comparison?
quote:
Lloreda was an All SEC caliber player until he was injured and missed the final part of hi ssenior season. Tack Minor was an improving player
Both left LSU on negative terms
quote:
You do realize taht the full effects of the draconian sanctions impacted the 2001 and 2002 seasons, an dto a limited extent the 2003 season. The 2001 team played teh SEC schedule with only five scholarship players after losing two starters to season ending injuries on top of NCAA scholarship limitations. The program got progressively better starting in 2002 when they made the NIT. Injuries to CT III also had a significant impact.
IMpacts were on recruiting. Sanctions did not make Bright, CTIII, Dupree, J Williams, Bridgewater, etc. and make them lesser players. The core was there. In '03, add in Bass and Lloreda and we laid an egg as the 8 seed in the NCAA Tourney. A 25 point defecit egg.
quote:
It should not have been his job to promote the program
Completely disagree. His best effort was his cheesey commerical with the MIke the Tiger mascot. His job description doesn't say that he has to do that, but in today's society, you want something done right, then do it yourself. Dale promoted the program. Look where it got some of his teams that were picked dead last (88-89).
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Billy Donovan had a higher attrition rate
Link? He also got every one of his starters to come back after the '06 season and do it again. That tells you something about being a player's coach. 4/5 would have been first round picks had they gone out (Noah, Horford, Brewer, Green).
quote:
Donovan and Tubby exceeded Brady's accomplishments.
You're really letting one great season speak for his entire coaching career at LSU, aren't you? Donovan and Tubby didn't have last place finishes in half of their seasons.
Since you like to compare sports:
Imagine in baseball if Smoke had (in ten seasons):
5 CWS appearances, zero national titles, 2 SEC titles, and 5 last place finishes.
Success? Inconsistent? What do you call that. Smoke was canned a lot sooner than Brady, too. In 5 years, he went to Omaha twice, the post season 4 x, and missed out once. That was enough to can him, though. Brady, minus the first two years, went postseason, none, NIT, postseason, NIT, postseason, postseason, none, none canned.
This post was edited on 2/16/09 at 2:11 am
Posted on 2/16/09 at 2:37 am to FMTigerFan
Where else would Johnson go?
Posted on 2/16/09 at 10:30 am to PiscesTiger
quote:That's exactly what makes them morons. Your feelings toward a coach personally should be either good or indifferent. If you care to play Nancy Drew and see what he's doing behind the scenes privately, you're just a negagroupie. That crap is for 12-year-old girls--grow up.
Peoples' "feelings" about Brady is why they didn't want him as our coach any longer.
Another bottom line: I knew Brady would take LSU to the Final Four, but the Brady Bashers--geniuses, all of them
--wanted to fire him in 2005! Don't you people see how stupid a move that would have been?! We have a brilliant athletic department that can make a money-saving hire and still win a football national championship, and a department that can create a program where even John fricking Brady can go to the Final Four.
Get out of the way and let those who know what they're doing get the job done!
I was right; the Bashers were wrong.
And for the rest of our lives, I will have been right about this, and you will have been wrong. You will never be able to change that.
This post was edited on 2/16/09 at 10:32 am
Posted on 2/16/09 at 11:58 pm to PiscesTiger
quote:
Incidents:
Collins, Minor, Lloreda, S. Johnson, Gransberry, Bush, J Young, Rolle, etc. All had incidents of some sort.
What do you consider incidents? I clearly state none of the players were involved in police actions. Yes, Lloreda and Dejuan Collins were involved in fights with teammates. I am certain tht goes on from time to time with any team.
Rolle, Yound and Bush transferred, but there wre no incidents involving them,
Shawnson Johnson refused to abide by team groomimg rules and left the team.
Gransberry left the team in a huff when he only played a few minutes in an exhibition game. Did he deserve more time? Who know? He did not have teh guts to stay and compete with Lazare, Rolle, Johnson, Taz, Tyrus and Big Baby for playing time. Good riddance.
quote:
Why do you always make this comparison?
I bring it up because Brady is always accused of bringing in players with alleged " character issues." Given the fact that players were not clamoring to come to probation riddled LSU during the first half of his tenure forcing him to take chances on a few players it is significant to note that a stable football program has had numerous police incidents over the past 10 years. The basketball team does not have a police history.
quote:How were these lesser players? Dupree ranked #8, Bright #14 and Temple # 24 in career scoring and Dupree was #6 in rebounding. The scholarship restrictions hampered the development of the team around these players, but they did steadily improve.
[quote]Mpacts were on recruiting. Sanctions did not make Bright, CTIII, Dupree, J Williams, Bridgewater, etc. and make them lesser players.
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In '03, add in Bass and Lloreda and we laid an egg as the 8 seed in the NCAA Tourney.[/quote
Bass and Lloreda did not play on an NCAA team. They were clearly headed there in 2004 when they were 17-4 and 7-3 SEC after defeating Florida on the road when Lloreda was injured. The team lost it's only experienced player and prescence in the middle and the team faded.[quote]
Link? He also got every one of his starters to come back after the '06 season and do it again. That tells you something about being a player's coach. 4/5 would have been first round picks had they gone out (Noah, Horford, Brewer, Green).
Do you think the fact that Noah, Horford and Green were the sons of professional athletes and did not have teh financial needs that cause most players to enter the NBA early. I am certain these players were in position to take care of Brewer whose father was critically ill.
quote:
You're really letting one great season speak for his entire coaching career at LSU, aren't you? Donovan and Tubby didn't have last place finishes in half of their seasons.
Tubby and Donovan did not inherit moribund programs under NCAA investigation leading to draconian sanctions either.
quote:
Since you like to compare sports:
Imagine in baseball if Smoke had (in ten seasons):
5 CWS appearances, zero national titles, 2 SEC titles, and 5 last place finishes.
At most schools he would have the stadium named after him, just not at LSU where he followed a livimg legend.
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