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re: Disspelling the offense caused the defense to be bad thought.
Posted on 7/1/10 at 2:11 pm to TigerFanNKaty
Posted on 7/1/10 at 2:11 pm to TigerFanNKaty
Actually, the Bama game is my perfect example of how the offense let us down. LSU earned zero first downs in the fourth quarter of that game, and the key play of the game IMNSHO was the failed 3rd and 2 conversion with the score 15-13. The defense needed a rest, didn't get it, and Bama scored the game winner with a gassed Peterson on the bench. It was a killer.
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Posted on 7/1/10 at 2:15 pm to Baloo
True and I'm sure if you watched replays of last season you could come up similar situations in every game we played just about. I don't have the CST replay luxury for LSU games here in Katy. 
Posted on 7/1/10 at 2:22 pm to TigerFanNKaty
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Isn't the main function of your D to limit the other teams scoring?
Yes and No. Field position is an aspect of the game most like to over look. That is why most championship caliber teams have great special teams and defenses that can keep teams from crossing the fifty and can create turnovers.
Posted on 7/1/10 at 2:23 pm to AUmember
Wouldn't Time Of Possession (TOP) be the best statistic for looking at offensive performance and how that relates to defensive performance? It doesn't really matter how good or bad your defense is or how many TIMES your offense gets the ball (within reason) because what matters is how LONG your offense has the ball. The longer your offense has the ball, the better the chance you have to score points and the less opportunity you give the other team a chance to score points.
I think our biggest problem last year was a weak offensive line that hurt our running game, thus not allowing us to hold on to the ball for long periods of time. That hurts both the offense AND the defense.
Sorry, I don't have the statistics to back this up, but maybe someone else could produce a TOP list for the last few years? Might be interesting.
I think our biggest problem last year was a weak offensive line that hurt our running game, thus not allowing us to hold on to the ball for long periods of time. That hurts both the offense AND the defense.
Sorry, I don't have the statistics to back this up, but maybe someone else could produce a TOP list for the last few years? Might be interesting.
Posted on 7/1/10 at 2:37 pm to MontanaTiger
Opponents Team/Opp. Total
Washington 23:08 / 36:52 -13:44
VANDERBILT 36:23 / 23:37 12:46
UL-LAFAYETTE 31:59 / 28:01 3:58
Mississippi State 25:58 / 33:52 -7:54
Georgia 33:10 / 26:50 6:20
FLORIDA 23:30 / 36:30 -13:00
AUBURN 31:11 / 28:49 2:22
TULANE 28:10 / 31:50 -3:40
Alabama 27:08 / 32:52 -5:44
LOUISIANA TECH 23:40 / 36:20 -12:40
Ole Miss 26:24 / 33:36 -7:12
ARKANSAS 29:27 / 30:33 -1:06
Penn State 21:39 / 38:21 -16:42
Totals 361:47 / 418:03 -56:16
Time of posession stats from last year. Pretty telling stat look at the total almost one hour.
Washington 23:08 / 36:52 -13:44
VANDERBILT 36:23 / 23:37 12:46
UL-LAFAYETTE 31:59 / 28:01 3:58
Mississippi State 25:58 / 33:52 -7:54
Georgia 33:10 / 26:50 6:20
FLORIDA 23:30 / 36:30 -13:00
AUBURN 31:11 / 28:49 2:22
TULANE 28:10 / 31:50 -3:40
Alabama 27:08 / 32:52 -5:44
LOUISIANA TECH 23:40 / 36:20 -12:40
Ole Miss 26:24 / 33:36 -7:12
ARKANSAS 29:27 / 30:33 -1:06
Penn State 21:39 / 38:21 -16:42
Totals 361:47 / 418:03 -56:16
Time of posession stats from last year. Pretty telling stat look at the total almost one hour.
Posted on 7/1/10 at 4:44 pm to Nuts4LSU
Absolutely agree that our defense was okay on 1st and 2nd downs but totally sucked on 3rd down. I painfully remember all the 3rd and longs that we gave up. They don't call it 3rd and Chavis for nothing. I see this as due to a conservative defensive philosophy. When we get them in 3rd and long we go into a shell and play a semi-prevent defense. As they say about the prevent defense, it only pevents you from winning. We need to get back to an aggressive, attacking defense on every down.
Posted on 7/1/10 at 5:15 pm to Tiger_n_ATL
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Most people just can't accept the fact that Chavis' defenses allow teams to move the ball AT WILL between the 20's. This puts the opposing team IN SCORING POSITION (similar to a baseball player getting on 2nd base and scoring on a single), on almost EVERY possession. It is not a defense designed to shut down opposing teams. It keeps our offense OFF THE FIELD. But our offense sucked last year, so that was probably a good thing. If we had a good offense, we would be bitching even more than we are now, because our offense would never get a chance to showcase it's talents.
Once opposing teams get to the 20 yard line, their chances of scoring are greatly increased (kick a field goal or take a shot at the endzone with a pass). This is why the bend but don't break philosophy on defense does NOT work
I cannot disagree with any of this. Plus, the bend but dont break defense is not enjoyable to watch. At all.
Posted on 7/1/10 at 5:15 pm to TigerFanNKaty
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Time of posession stats from last year. Pretty telling stat look at the total almost one hour.
The defense basically played 14 games last year. The offense? Barely 12.
Posted on 7/1/10 at 5:16 pm to Korkstand
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Oh? The defense managed a respectable #38 ranking in 3rd down efficiency, much better than the offense's #71 rank.
The defense ranks better than the offense in every category, yet you people still manage to blame the offensive ineffectiveness on the defense?
I did nothing of the sort. I simply explained how we could have trouble getting off the field despite a relatively low average yards per play.
Posted on 7/1/10 at 5:19 pm to Korkstand
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Over the course of a season, there should have been approximately the same number of offensive and defensive possessions. End of half clock management and onside kicks are really the only 2 things that can lean the possessions one way or the other, but I can't see them being more than 5% different. This being the case, the defense did a better job of keeping points off the board than the offense did of putting them up during their possessions. That's all there is to it.
To know that, you only need to compare scoring offense and scoring defense stats, adjusting for the points scored by the defense and the points allowed by the offense. It should be relatively easy to see from that which unit did better.
Posted on 7/1/10 at 5:19 pm to Nuts4LSU
Why can't we acknowledge that the defense was ok and the offense was awful on their own merits?
Posted on 7/1/10 at 5:37 pm to King Joey
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State trailed by less than 10
I defined close games as less than a 7 point margin when the possession began. I did this because that's the situation when you can either keep the game close enough to win it with a TD if you're behind or keep the lead if you're ahead.
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Penn State punted in the 4th quarter trailing by a single point.
OK, technically early in the fourth quarter, so it counts. The next possession was 65 yards on 12 plays for the winning FG.
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La. Tech punted in the 4th down 17-13.
Georgia punted twice in the 4th quarter at 7-6.
Tech again early in the quarter, so fine.
Georgia, once early in the quarter and once with 6:47 left.
So, yes, in the first few minutes of the 4th, they did make three more stops when the margin was less than a TD, so it would be 8 out of 12. Cut it down to the last 10 minutes of the game, and you have one Georgia punt (when they got the ball at their own 14 yard line) and one Mississippi State drive that came up one inch short.
This post was edited on 7/1/10 at 5:38 pm
Posted on 7/1/10 at 5:41 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Yet you totally ignore the fact that the LSU defense was one of the best in the nation at keeping others off the scoreboard.
No, that's what "except" means. I acknowledge the stats were good overall. I pointed out an exception that occurred in crucial situations.
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There were weaknesses in Chavis first year, but with an offense that is laying piles of shite on the field, the LSU defense held its own.
No one says the defense sucked, certainly not as bad as the offense. They were not particularly good, though, and certainly not great. They looked better than they were because they were mostly being compared to the 2008 defense and the 2009 offense, two of the worst units ever fielded by LSU in its history.
Posted on 7/1/10 at 5:43 pm to Nuts4LSU
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No one says the defense sucked, certainly not as bad as the offense. They were not particularly good, though, and certainly not great. They looked better than they were because they were mostly being compared to the 2008 defense and the 2009 offense, two of the worst units ever fielded by LSU in its history.
Posted on 7/1/10 at 5:48 pm to Nuts4LSU
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No one says the defense sucked, certainly not as bad as the offense. They were not particularly good, though, and certainly not great.
Depends on how you define good defense. Keeping the opponent off the scoreboard seems to be the main goal of the sport. I would say the defense was good, and much much better then the previous season.
Anyone who says the defense wasn't "good" certainly is just trolling or is a moron. Was there room for improvement in parts of the game? yep.
Posted on 7/1/10 at 6:20 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Depends on how you define good defense. Keeping the opponent off the scoreboard seems to be the main goal of the sport. I would say the defense was good, and much much better then the previous season.
Anyone who says the defense wasn't "good" certainly is just trolling or is a moron. Was there room for improvement in parts of the game? yep.
Another person who gets it. Scoring defense is the most important stat on the defensive side. Some people think that the defense is only succesful if the opposing team is shut out and ends up with negative yardage. I'll take a W any day and any way. Cause it doesn't count for more than just W no matter what the stats are.
Posted on 7/1/10 at 7:49 pm to AUmember
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I think we can all agree
You do realize this is the rant don't you?
Posted on 7/1/10 at 8:26 pm to TigerFanNKaty
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Time of posession stats from last year. Pretty telling stat look at the total almost one hour.
I think this is the crux of our problem last year. And that was due to a weak offensive line that held down our running game. The defense did it's job for the most part, but the offense didn't do it's job.
This post was edited on 7/1/10 at 8:28 pm
Posted on 7/1/10 at 8:42 pm to MontanaTiger
LSU was 109th in time of possession with an average of 27.50 minutes. The defense was on the field for 32.50 minutes. Thats 11 spots from dead last. On the other hand the team that won the BCS championship averaged 33.31 minutes on offense which was 5th in the nation.
Posted on 7/1/10 at 8:47 pm to RichT
Definitely shows the value of a power running game. The spreads are fun to watch, but championships are built around power running.
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