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re: "Gimmick" Offenses
Posted on 6/23/11 at 10:56 am to TXGunslinger10
Posted on 6/23/11 at 10:56 am to TXGunslinger10
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Sigs and Sig Pics are overrated
Wouldn't this be considered a signature? Haha
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Posted on 6/23/11 at 10:56 am to Prominentwon
To date, Chavis has shown no ability to stifle a spread attack that utilizes a mobile QB and motion/sweep action in the backfield.
Posted on 6/23/11 at 10:56 am to Prominentwon
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The triple option is a "gimmick" offense and GT is probably my favorite team to watch in college football as far as offense goes.
The triple option = a “gimmick offense. Wow, I’ve seen it all on the rant.
I hope you realize the option, in its purest form, is the most perfect offensive system ever created, period. It is the only offensive system that, if executed properly, makes the defense wrong NO MATTER WHAT! It’s also the only rushing attack that’s run 11 vs. 11 as opposed to 10 vs. 11.
I’ve been working on a pretty lengthy explanation of this that I might have out tonight, but know that the only reason the option ever died was because of how it shrinks the field. The increased quickness of defenses, mainly the front seven, allowed the option attacks to be slowed down. Well now in comes the spread, which uses the exact same, tried and tested principles of the traditional option, but puts defenders in space and uses the entire field.
If you think the option is gimmicky, you shouldn’t be discussing football.
Posted on 6/23/11 at 10:57 am to bisonduck
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If LSU's run game gets stuffed, what do they do?
Oh, you try to throw the ball with JJ.
Touché
Posted on 6/23/11 at 10:57 am to Prominentwon
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Which kind of proves your point that they're similar. Just works differently between space and between tackles.
Right. There is nothing knew in football. Only variations, adaptation, and evolution. Oregon's offense is the triple option ran in space, with more passing. The new "diamond" formation ran by oklahoma is the inverted wishbone. Hell, you could say that Mullen's spread is a shotgun variation of the Wing T
Posted on 6/23/11 at 10:58 am to FootballNostradamus
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I hope you realize the option, in its purest form, is the most perfect offensive system ever created, period. It is the only offensive system that, if executed properly, makes the defense wrong NO MATTER WHAT! It’s also the only rushing attack that’s run 11 vs. 11 as opposed to 10 vs. 11.
IMO, anything other lining up in a I formation playing smashmouth is gimmicky.
Get off your high horse. I'm not disrespecting the offense.
Posted on 6/23/11 at 10:59 am to 7thWardTiger
A11 is a gimmick offense. Can't believe high school's banned it, man.
That sh!t was true innovation.
That sh!t was true innovation.
Posted on 6/23/11 at 11:01 am to FootballNostradamus
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I hope you realize the option, in its purest form, is the most perfect offensive system ever created, period. It is the only offensive system that, if executed properly, makes the defense wrong NO MATTER WHAT! It’s also the only rushing attack that’s run 11 vs. 11 as opposed to 10 vs. 11.
Relax. The triple option is a gimmick offense because of the times. If LSU brought back the wishbone, it would be a gimmick offense because its not the traditional offense that we have become use to seeing over the last 15-20 years.
25 years ago, the shotgun was a gimmick offense.
Its all on the context of the time period. Like i said, football is always evolving.
Posted on 6/23/11 at 11:02 am to Prominentwon
yeah they will just work on trick plays, then if that doesnt work they just do whatever they can to survive
Posted on 6/23/11 at 11:03 am to TXGunslinger10
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You scheme to stop the triple option a little differently though...the main idea is for the play-side Defensive Tackle to get upfield rather than crash down which dictates the dive. Defenses usually like to plug that A Gap with a backer. The QB's read is to give to the FB if the DT goes upfield, and to keep it if he crashes down.
LMFAO is you think your defensive tackle is coming upfield to dictate a give and then crashing in on my dive back. That’s one of the most absurd things I’ve ever seen. My dive will rip you a new a-hole until you give it the respect it deserves. You’d hafta be the worst executing triple option team on the planet for that defense to work.
Posted on 6/23/11 at 11:04 am to Prominentwon
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I hope you realize the option, in its purest form, is the most perfect offensive system ever created, period. It is the only offensive system that, if executed properly, makes the defense wrong NO MATTER WHAT! It’s also the only rushing attack that’s run 11 vs. 11 as opposed to 10 vs. 11.
I like the option offense, but if a defense can stick to its assignments, then the defense will always win. Especially if the D has better athletes.
What the option offense does, is allows mid-play reads to dictate where the point of attack is...pretty cutting edge stuff when it was first utilized, but nowadays, if you know your assignments and attack it right back, then you're going to take away the big play, and without the big play, it really limits an offense.
Remember, 3 yards in a cloud of dust every play STILL leads to a punt.
Posted on 6/23/11 at 11:04 am to GFunk
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A-11
Was a variation of the offense from the 90's when the tackle and guard would split out wide with a receiver behind them. I believe Mizzou tried it a few times in 09. Some coach said hmmm, why not put all receivers on the field
Posted on 6/23/11 at 11:04 am to 7thWardTiger
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25 years ago, the shotgun was a gimmick offense.
In 1986 the shotgun was a gimmick?
Posted on 6/23/11 at 11:06 am to TBama93k
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yeah they will just work on trick plays, then if that doesnt work they just do whatever they can to survive
Oregon really hasn't used a lot of trick plays, such flea flickers, half back passes, etcs in the last couple years. Most of the trick plays come on special teams in the form of onside kicks, going for two or the little tear drop out of punt formation against Auburn.
Posted on 6/23/11 at 11:07 am to GFunk
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Ask Gary Crowton about creativity. We also had lots of offseason to drill them. He made a bad mistake that could be argued really stymied his team's ability to get going early.
You ended up with 363 yards of offense through the air, and on the surface it propped up your gaudy offensive numbers, & two plays yieled almost half that yardage through the air. Bottom line is that you got absolutely squadoosh with those new plays, & had over a month to prepare.
You don't impress me, hoss. Neither does your offense.
First off “hoss”, I’m not an Oregon fan. I follow LSU football.
Secondly, I completely agree that Crowton overthank himself way too much while at LSU. I’ve preached on this board for years the principle over execution over exertion. Having more plays than you can count means nothing when you can’t run them. And yes they didn’t get much with the new plays but it was again, like I mentioned, because of poor execution not scheme. Thomas looked like Stevie Wonder out there with the awful reads he was making. Kelly must have been losin it with the seams they had created only to watch Thomas shite them away.
What I’m saying is with an entire offseason to drill these new looks you don’t think they could execute better?
Also, the “he had 120 yards rushing but 80 of them were on one play” is the second worst thing said on the Rant. If my aunt had balls she’d be my uncle.
Posted on 6/23/11 at 11:08 am to FootballNostradamus
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LMFAO is you think your defensive tackle is coming upfield to dictate a give and then crashing in on my dive back. That’s one of the most absurd things I’ve ever seen. My dive will rip you a new a-hole until you give it the respect it deserves. You’d hafta be the worst executing triple option team on the planet for that defense to work.
It's bad whenever I have to tell someone to take a xanax and calm down.
Posted on 6/23/11 at 11:10 am to FootballNostradamus
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LMFAO is you think your defensive tackle is coming upfield to dictate a give and then crashing in on my dive back. That’s one of the most absurd things I’ve ever seen. My dive will rip you a new a-hole until you give it the respect it deserves. You’d hafta be the worst executing triple option team on the planet for that defense to work.
Nostradamus you have got to be kidding me. You think you're just going to power through 3+ defenders on a FB dive? Give me a break.
I said nothing about the playside DT making the play. The weakside DT puts his nose to the ball with the MLB plugging the A Gap. THAT stops the dive.
As a defense, you dictate the dive, so Make them give it to the FB and then you crash on the FB.
If I'm the DC, I'm not going to give a nickel of respect to the dive because I'm dictating where the play is going and I'm sending my hosses in the gap to make sure it goes nowhere.
Posted on 6/23/11 at 11:10 am to Prominentwon
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IMO, anything other lining up in a I formation playing smashmouth is gimmicky.
Get off your high horse. I'm not disrespecting the offense.
It’s not being on a high horse by telling you what you’re saying is stupid.
You call everything outside of I formation gimmicky. That’s fine. I call you stupid. That’s also fine. The Saints, Patriots and Packers aren’t gimmicky.
Posted on 6/23/11 at 11:11 am to FootballNostradamus
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Thomas looked like Stevie Wonder out there with the awful reads he was making. Kelly must have been losin it with the seams they had created only to watch Thomas shite them away.
I am glad somebody noticed this that isn't an Oregon guy. Look no further than the first series when Thomas pitches back to a covered LMJ when he has 10 yards in front of him. Thomas has to be a threat and if he isn't going to take the read when it's there for him, our offense isn't going to do well.
Otherwise, it's not an option team and we are running preset runs out shotgun.
This post was edited on 6/23/11 at 11:13 am
Posted on 6/23/11 at 11:13 am to FootballNostradamus
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First off “hoss”, I’m not an Oregon fan. I follow LSU football.
Secondly, I completely agree that Crowton overthank himself way too much while at LSU. I’ve preached on this board for years the principle over execution over exertion. Having more plays than you can count means nothing when you can’t run them. And yes they didn’t get much with the new plays but it was again, like I mentioned, because of poor execution not scheme. Thomas looked like Stevie Wonder out there with the awful reads he was making. Kelly must have been losin it with the seams they had created only to watch Thomas shite them away.
What I’m saying is with an entire offseason to drill these new looks you don’t think they could execute better?
Also, the “he had 120 yards rushing but 80 of them were on one play” is the second worst thing said on the Rant. If my aunt had balls she’d be my uncle.
Your take was like yesterday's decaf, homeslice. Having an entire offseason doesn't mean anything. It's whether the plays are fundamentally sound & whether they work.
You can get as creative as you like-and Gary Crowton is extrmely creative-but if they lack the ability to put the defense at a disadvantage, and-more importantly-your offense doesn't understand them and can't execute them, then eventually, smoke & mirrors are going to get you run out of town.
We've witnessed it here. They witnessed the same show.
Hosscat.
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