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Posted on 10/14/09 at 11:21 am to Sid in Lakeshore
No, it hasn't nor has the run blocking been consistent either. The drops on those plays that were posted yesterday on that video highlight deal were not ridiculous either. And on both of those sacks there was no way to avoid the rush to the outside or step into the standard non-existent pocket. On one of those sacks Barksdale barely touched #41 who ran around him like he wasn't even there. And not on that highlight video was the sack where I was worried C. Black had cement around his feet because he barely moved before the FL DE was right around him. Depths of drops has nothing to do with poor OL blocking. I remember 3 sacks vividly and all 3 were the OL fault 100%.
Posted on 10/14/09 at 11:22 am to deathvalleytiger10
quote:I am pretty sure he's doing it on his own. If you pay attention to him on each drop back, you see that sometimes he takes only the one or two step drop (from the shotgun) and sometimes takes a five or six step drop. Needless to say, he has more success taking the shorter drop and making a quicker pass.
So...Is JJ being taught that? Or is he doing it on his own?
That being said, I think he is a bit gun-shy based on the interior line's inability to consistently keep the front of the pocket from collapsing. I think we have two separate issues, JJ's drop and the OL's inconsistent blocking, that are compounding each other.
Posted on 10/14/09 at 11:23 am to OnlyOneShot
Les is just being politicaly correct. Of course it's better to throw it away than take a sack. It's also better if he had a little more time to do so. It's not black and white. You may only face one more defense the rest of the season like Sat night, so I expect he'll have a little more time. If JJ can learn to get rid of it a little faster that may be good enough. Fixing the OL is a much bigger, time consuming project.
Posted on 10/14/09 at 11:23 am to Prominentwon
Nope, the OL has been putting Jefferson in IMPOSSIBLE/NO WIN situations. The writers see that, the coaches see that, the players admit to that, and the football knowledgeable posters here see the exact same thing. If the OL was not the problem, LSU could have run the ball against teams like Georgia and FLorida who put no more than 6 in the box. Take away the final 33 yard Scott run against GA and Scott averages 1.7 yards per carry.
This post was edited on 10/14/09 at 11:27 am
Posted on 10/14/09 at 11:25 am to PacLSU
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I am pretty sure he's doing it on his own. If you pay attention to him on each drop back, you see that sometimes he takes only the one or two step drop (from the shotgun) and sometimes takes a five or six step drop.
Yeah, some football people call that "scrambling" or "running for his life". Quite the inventive idea to say a "bad drop" when it was really "poor pass protection and 0 pocket."Posted on 10/14/09 at 11:31 am to Tomm
I think O-line is equally as bad as JJ. If either were good one could compensate the other. Maybe we wouldn't be great, but certainly wouldn't be 100th worst O in the country. I am certain this is not the 100th worst O-line in the country, so some blame does have to fall on the QB.
Posted on 10/14/09 at 11:31 am to OnlyOneShot
There is no pocket because JJ is not a seven step drop QB. He is also not stepping up in the pocket. After he takes a seven stop drop and does not step up, The DE has a straight line to the QB. I seen this numerous times Sat, with all that being said, I think there is also alot of upside to JJ. His confidence is at rock bottom, this guy is 19 years old. I think the loss to Fla was on the coaches play calling as well as the players. 3rd and goal from the 3 and CS off tackle with the whole stadium knowing whats coming, a toss sweep or RS in the wild tiger would have done the job. 
Posted on 10/14/09 at 11:35 am to Sid in Lakeshore
not really becasue he still takes 5-6 step drop and never really sets his feet before he decides to move lateral.
Posted on 10/14/09 at 11:35 am to ItNeverRains
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I think O-line is equally as bad as JJ. If either were good one could compensate the other. Maybe we wouldn't be great, but certainly wouldn't be 100th worst O in the country. I am certain this is not the 100th worst O-line in the country, so some blame does have to fall on the QB.
Noooo, if the OL was not the main problem, LSU could have run the ball better in the last 2 games. Florida has a great defense but clearly Georgia does not (see their other games) and Scott averaged 1.7 yards until his final carry with GA putting no more than 6 in the box. Ratings are BS nationally? Why? Because the 120 teams don't play the same schedule do they? Do you honestly believe that Florida International has a better offense than LSU and would move the ball against LSU and LSU not move the ball against them? Is ULL rated above LSU in offense?
Please stop with the BS offensive ratings...unless you are comparing apples and apples, ie. the SEC stats ONLY among SEC teams at the end of the season!
This post was edited on 10/14/09 at 11:45 am
Posted on 10/14/09 at 11:42 am to JACKSONTIGER70
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...a toss sweep...
What is that? Haven't seen one of those from LSU in a while. I don't think that's in the playbook anymore. Must have had to make room for "JJ-speed option-short side".
BTW, PacLSU nailed it. Both the OL and JJ are compounding each other's weaknesses. Personnel groupings and playcalling aren't helping either.
Posted on 10/14/09 at 11:44 am to Tomm
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Please stop with the BS offensive ratings...unless you are comparing apples and apples, ie. the SEC stats ONLY among SEC teams at the end of the season!
This, I'll agree with.
Posted on 10/14/09 at 11:45 am to deathvalleytiger10
The first problem with the entire quote is that you believed it. When has Miles ever said something to the media of substance and it been true? Maybe when he corrected Herbie, but other than that its just coach talk. Hes not the straightest of shooters
Posted on 10/14/09 at 11:51 am to Chuck U Farley
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The first problem with the entire quote is that you believed it. When has Miles ever said something to the media of substance and it been true? Maybe when he corrected Herbie, but other than that its just coach talk. Hes not the straightest of shooters
Actually, I don't believe much of what he says at this point. I am just pointing out what he is saying and how ridiculous it is.
You are right, he is does not shoot straight, and as many have said, your allegiance is to your team and its psyche first.
But to say the lined blocked pretty well is really hard to believe.
This post was edited on 10/14/09 at 11:56 am
Posted on 10/14/09 at 11:52 am to tigerdup07
The OL can block reasonable well for 4.0 to 4.5 seconds.
JJ usually takes 6 to find his second receiver.
JJ usually takes 6 to find his second receiver.
Posted on 10/14/09 at 11:55 am to PacLSU
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I am pretty sure he's doing it on his own. If you pay attention to him on each drop back, you see that sometimes he takes only the one or two step drop (from the shotgun) and sometimes takes a five or six step drop. Needless to say, he has more success taking the shorter drop and making a quicker pass.
That being said, I think he is a bit gun-shy based on the interior line's inability to consistently keep the front of the pocket from collapsing. I think we have two separate issues, JJ's drop and the OL's inconsistent blocking, that are compounding each other.
I agree, so do you call long passes like we did in the second half that take a while to develop or do you run short dump passes, and screens like the one to Scott that picked up decent yardage.
And yes, I feel for JJ. Great kid in a tough situation. How long to you go before you either try a different scheme or try a different QB?
This post was edited on 10/14/09 at 11:57 am
Posted on 10/14/09 at 12:13 pm to deathvalleytiger10
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Noooo, if the OL was not the main problem, LSU could have run the ball better in the last 2 games.
It's hard to run the ball when there is no threat of a pass and also we didn't play Florida every game this year. Our stats should be much better against the teams we have played so far. Besides Florida the combined record for the teams we have played is 13-16, there's no way we should be ranked 109th.
Posted on 10/14/09 at 12:16 pm to deathvalleytiger10
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But to say the lined blocked pretty well is really hard to believe.
yeah. Miles is not one to publically challenge any player, exept for Chad Jones. For what ever reason he thinks Chad can take and the rest he protects from any scrutiny. I like that and I dont. Im torn. He will not put more blame on any one or any position more than the other. He will protect them all and call them equal
Posted on 10/14/09 at 12:18 pm to Prominentwon
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JJ has been putting the OL in TERRIBLE spots.
Which RB is putting the OL in TERRIBLE spots? Because last time I checked, that part of the offense sucked pretty bad as well.
Posted on 10/14/09 at 12:21 pm to deathvalleytiger10
Let me give you some Miles quotes from an article in the Daily Advertiser this morning."We're looking at pieces of the game that maybe another guy should get involved in, and I don't know that will be something that is way evident to the veiwing public." Miles said, possibly referring to different offensive linemen playing."Those spots, those positions, we're working on, and some is strategy and some is personnel. And it's an ongoing evaluation.
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