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re: Here's some truth for ya
Posted on 1/15/12 at 4:32 pm to NimbleCat
Posted on 1/15/12 at 4:32 pm to NimbleCat
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I try not to dwell on the fact that Miles allowed his favoritism for one player to supercede the rest of the players for LSU
Yep. That is why this is harder to get over than otherwise. Most of us saw the blatant favoritism, which is NOT a good leader attribute, and also figured Bama would have a decisive answer for the same old same old, yet that is what we saw.
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Posted on 1/15/12 at 4:38 pm to Dalosaqy
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As his perfect season grew to 13-0, Miles listened to no one. Not even himself.
Can you imagine the combination of void, contradiction and chaos ongoing in that head?
Posted on 1/15/12 at 4:46 pm to Lsupimp
It's the truth, not anti or pro Miles. Just the plain simple facts.
Posted on 1/15/12 at 4:48 pm to DBG
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. He thought his choice was the best thing for the team.
If true, then this is a million times more worrisome than any favoritism
Exactly.
Caught between simply thinking he played favorites or thinking that he's a functioning retard, I'm sincerely hoping the former is true. At least the former is cured by the kid's departure.
The latter is not.
Posted on 1/15/12 at 4:50 pm to bradwieser
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Lee threw 14 touchdowns on the season. Jefferson threw six and had only 13 over his last two seasons.
But hey. They were roughly equal QBs. No discernible difference between the two at all.
Posted on 1/15/12 at 5:50 pm to Carlos Santannaclaus
Dumb asses..he has not produced an offense in 4 years! That is half of his job he has not done...he should be required to pay half his salary back to lsu!
Posted on 1/15/12 at 5:51 pm to Carlos Santannaclaus
Dumb asses..he has not produced an offense in 4 years! That is half of his job he has not done...he should be required to pay half his salary back to lsu!
Posted on 1/15/12 at 6:03 pm to ShortyRob
The article is pretty good; Guilbeau accurately sums up the increasing ineptness of LSU's offense after the first game against bama. And I think Guilbeau brilliantly uses Miles' own remarks about how using 2 QBs is a benefit against Miles once Miles stopped doing so.
There really isn't any arguing that the offense became less effective after the first Alabama game. It looked bad in the 1st half against WKU. Ole Miss... well, Ole Miss was so bad that the game was over by the time they threw the pick 6 to Ron Brooks at the start of the game. But LSU followed up with a miserable first quarter against Arkansas, and the 2nd qtr wasn't much better. And the 1st half against Georgia was an abomination. I remember one of the LSU o-linemen being quoted after the game, saying something to the effect that UGA came out fired up with the perfect game plan and every defensive play they called in the first half was perfect; every blitz was the right one to stuff whatever offensive play we called-- that was a bad sign. UGA's level of defensive perfection (holding us to 0 first downs) was only possible if LSU's own game plan was equally as bad as theirs was good, considering that LSU was arguably more talented.
The common denominator in these games with declining offensive effectiveness is the switch away from the slightly more balanced power I or maybe pro style offense the coaches used with Lee towards the not quite option based running offense they installed for JJ. Perhaps, instead of emulating Superman for his TD celebrations, JJ should have gone with the X-Men, given the mutant variation of the option they were running.
All that being said, I don't quite agree with Guilbeau when he goes for blood and calls Miles a liar. Maybe Miles did lie-- we may never know-- it is very easy to color our opinions with our emotions. But even Miles, per Guilbeau's quotes, said he'd love to have a Peyton Manning/Tom Brady who would be an advantage in most any scenario... it's not out of the question that Miles thought JJ was going to be that, and kept thinking just one more series (at the expense of Lee) and the light would come on, and the JJ who showed flashes of living up to his potential in spot duty this year would blossom into something more. Of course, Miles ran out of series to give, and history and hindsight will call him wrong.
I like Guilbeau's reference to The Emperor's New Clothes: "As the Alabama game droned on and Miles continued to refuse to play Lee no matter what the cost, LSU was out of options and the emperor was out of clothes." In fact, that's the exact story I kept thinking of every time I thought of the game over the past week. There weren't any bad guys that duped Miles, but it does seem Miles' vanity in the toughness of his team led him to think they could play conservative and eventually wear out any team the way they did Ark. and UGA. Out of that vanity came 'The Emperor's New Offense', scrapping what worked to that point for what his vanity wanted to work. The big plays on special teams and defense were fools gold masking what truly wasn't there. It wasn't until Miles was on the national stage Monday night when he, like the naked king parading down the street, realized what he was missing. In Hans Christian Andersen's story, once the king painfully realizes he is, in fact, naked, he muses "Now I must bear up to the end."; then he and his chamberlains continue the pretense down the street. In the same way, Miles has quietly moved on from Monday, choosing to not openly discuss his error, and this probably isn't a bad idea. Any future discussion will only be on how the team will move forward and change. Fortunately, Miles has shown resilience in his tenure here, so there is hope. While we may not be privy to what's been discussed with whom, given that he was able to convince Russell Shepard to stay, I think we should expect to see a better offensive product on the field next year. If so, we have the talent to make a serious run for the next few years.
There really isn't any arguing that the offense became less effective after the first Alabama game. It looked bad in the 1st half against WKU. Ole Miss... well, Ole Miss was so bad that the game was over by the time they threw the pick 6 to Ron Brooks at the start of the game. But LSU followed up with a miserable first quarter against Arkansas, and the 2nd qtr wasn't much better. And the 1st half against Georgia was an abomination. I remember one of the LSU o-linemen being quoted after the game, saying something to the effect that UGA came out fired up with the perfect game plan and every defensive play they called in the first half was perfect; every blitz was the right one to stuff whatever offensive play we called-- that was a bad sign. UGA's level of defensive perfection (holding us to 0 first downs) was only possible if LSU's own game plan was equally as bad as theirs was good, considering that LSU was arguably more talented.
The common denominator in these games with declining offensive effectiveness is the switch away from the slightly more balanced power I or maybe pro style offense the coaches used with Lee towards the not quite option based running offense they installed for JJ. Perhaps, instead of emulating Superman for his TD celebrations, JJ should have gone with the X-Men, given the mutant variation of the option they were running.
All that being said, I don't quite agree with Guilbeau when he goes for blood and calls Miles a liar. Maybe Miles did lie-- we may never know-- it is very easy to color our opinions with our emotions. But even Miles, per Guilbeau's quotes, said he'd love to have a Peyton Manning/Tom Brady who would be an advantage in most any scenario... it's not out of the question that Miles thought JJ was going to be that, and kept thinking just one more series (at the expense of Lee) and the light would come on, and the JJ who showed flashes of living up to his potential in spot duty this year would blossom into something more. Of course, Miles ran out of series to give, and history and hindsight will call him wrong.
I like Guilbeau's reference to The Emperor's New Clothes: "As the Alabama game droned on and Miles continued to refuse to play Lee no matter what the cost, LSU was out of options and the emperor was out of clothes." In fact, that's the exact story I kept thinking of every time I thought of the game over the past week. There weren't any bad guys that duped Miles, but it does seem Miles' vanity in the toughness of his team led him to think they could play conservative and eventually wear out any team the way they did Ark. and UGA. Out of that vanity came 'The Emperor's New Offense', scrapping what worked to that point for what his vanity wanted to work. The big plays on special teams and defense were fools gold masking what truly wasn't there. It wasn't until Miles was on the national stage Monday night when he, like the naked king parading down the street, realized what he was missing. In Hans Christian Andersen's story, once the king painfully realizes he is, in fact, naked, he muses "Now I must bear up to the end."; then he and his chamberlains continue the pretense down the street. In the same way, Miles has quietly moved on from Monday, choosing to not openly discuss his error, and this probably isn't a bad idea. Any future discussion will only be on how the team will move forward and change. Fortunately, Miles has shown resilience in his tenure here, so there is hope. While we may not be privy to what's been discussed with whom, given that he was able to convince Russell Shepard to stay, I think we should expect to see a better offensive product on the field next year. If so, we have the talent to make a serious run for the next few years.
Posted on 1/15/12 at 7:21 pm to ShortyRob
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He thought his choice was the best thing for the team.
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If true, then this is a million times more worrisome than any favoritism
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Caught between simply thinking he played favorites or thinking that he's a functioning retard, I'm sincerely hoping the former is true. At least the former is cured by the kid's departure.
I don't think he has to be a functioning retard. It sounds as if JJ was much better in practice than he was in games. Miles just kept trying to get him to play like he did in practice (hence getting all the reps). From listening to Miles he was convinced that JJ was as good a passer as Lee. This could only have come from practices because it was rarely (if ever) evident in games.
Posted on 1/15/12 at 7:58 pm to ShortyRob
None of this surprises me at all. My biggest worry before the game was that Les' hard head would cost us the game. Turned out to be a legit concern.
Posted on 1/15/12 at 9:21 pm to Katy Tiger
Before the game I told the gump fans around me that there is no reason I see for Bama to beat LSU. I did not think that Miles would allow LSU to simply flame out by making no adjustment at qb even in the face of defeat. I like Les Miles alot, but that was hard to witness.
Posted on 1/15/12 at 9:26 pm to lsufan52
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Miles wanted Jefferson as the starting and exclusive quarterback, even if that meant we didn't have the best chance to win. He put his choice above what was best for the team. Will he have to explain this
He did explain last year that JJ gave him the best chance to ... lose.
Posted on 1/16/12 at 12:16 am to lsufan52
quote:this is an understatement
Miles mishandled LSU's 'two-QB system'
Posted on 1/16/12 at 12:28 am to ShortyRob
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I hope you realize that your Occam's razor choices can be restated as
1)He was functionally retarded
2)Something more nefarious.
I don't think Miles is stupid.
Posted on 1/16/12 at 12:41 am to Dalosaqy
He uses Miles owns words against him. He was dead on. Miles was only worried about having a 2 QB system while Lee was the starter. Once JJ started it was all over. To use Miles favorite quote order was restored. My favorite part of the article was when he wrote the only way Jefferson plays in the NFL was if Miles becomes an NFL coach.
Posted on 1/16/12 at 2:31 am to GonePecan
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There were several players and one or two assistant coaches who thought Miles should have kept playing Lee late this season. But he didn't listen to them.
Name them.
This is all complete conjecture on the part of someone whose job is to sell newspapers by writing "stuff" that creates controversy.
IF...LSU had beaten Bama...absolutely none of this stuff would be going on about judging CLM and his decisions, and all the people hating on Miles would be praising him to the hilt and projecting the beginnings of a dynasty! It is all about individual's "egos"! You are not entitled to know all that may have gone on that affected the outcome of this game. Move on and let it go. GG just wants to sell papers!!
Posted on 1/16/12 at 3:42 am to RealityTiger
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And that's the part that had me scratching my head. I agree about asking why he gave up on using the 2 qb system.
What was so confusing, is he touted it...the two QB thing. In fact, even the pro JJ faction was all over it prior to Nov. 5th. Strange how it just faded.
Posted on 1/16/12 at 6:18 am to RogerTheShrubber
What was so utterly surreal to me was that I kept watching the 2nd half expecting to see Jarrett Lee trot onto the field in the next series, yet knowing all the while that was never, ever going to happen.
Wow. I watched all 35 bowl games. I mean I watched all of them (some were replays, especially some of the numerous games played around noon on 1/2/12). Nonetheless, I watched them all since I was in the TD College Bowl Pick'em contest and I was very interested in their outcomes. None of the other games featured such a dismal performance at the primary offense position of QB.
Furthermore, no other substitution for this QB with this dismal performance ever materialized from our LSU coaches. As stated above - surreal. I knew a substitution at QB wasn't going to happen, yet I kept expecting a change to be made. I know, I know - this is the definition of insanity.
This is my first post since the disappointing loss last Monday. I think most people (like myself) are very close to being at (or they are actually at) stage 5 of the Kubler-Ross model of dealing with loss: Denial, Anger, Bargaining, Depression, Acceptance. Guilbeau may still be at stage 3. Nonetheless, this is a well written article by Guilbeau - make no mistake about that. Guilbeau, great job. Good article. Spot on. I somehow know that, deep down, Guilbeau is an LSU fan.
Surreal... Miles - to quote the Eagles:
"You can't hide your lyin' eyes
And your smile is a thin disguise
I thought by now you'd realize
There ain't no way to hide your lyin eyes"
Whatever. Nearing acceptance stage I will say Miles is my coach and I hope he learns something from this episode of "not trying all options despite feeling in your gut that only one option is viable"...
Coach Miles - you did well with your 13-1 record this year. Let's improve on that next year.
Wow. I watched all 35 bowl games. I mean I watched all of them (some were replays, especially some of the numerous games played around noon on 1/2/12). Nonetheless, I watched them all since I was in the TD College Bowl Pick'em contest and I was very interested in their outcomes. None of the other games featured such a dismal performance at the primary offense position of QB.
Furthermore, no other substitution for this QB with this dismal performance ever materialized from our LSU coaches. As stated above - surreal. I knew a substitution at QB wasn't going to happen, yet I kept expecting a change to be made. I know, I know - this is the definition of insanity.
This is my first post since the disappointing loss last Monday. I think most people (like myself) are very close to being at (or they are actually at) stage 5 of the Kubler-Ross model of dealing with loss: Denial, Anger, Bargaining, Depression, Acceptance. Guilbeau may still be at stage 3. Nonetheless, this is a well written article by Guilbeau - make no mistake about that. Guilbeau, great job. Good article. Spot on. I somehow know that, deep down, Guilbeau is an LSU fan.
Surreal... Miles - to quote the Eagles:
"You can't hide your lyin' eyes
And your smile is a thin disguise
I thought by now you'd realize
There ain't no way to hide your lyin eyes"
Whatever. Nearing acceptance stage I will say Miles is my coach and I hope he learns something from this episode of "not trying all options despite feeling in your gut that only one option is viable"...
Coach Miles - you did well with your 13-1 record this year. Let's improve on that next year.
Posted on 1/16/12 at 6:42 am to HoustonLadyTiger
quote:
Name them.
Lee
Shep
Randle
T Bob and the starting OL
Stud
BG
Chavis
quote:
IF...LSU had beaten Bama...absolutely none of this stuff would be going on about judging CLM and his decisions
Well, duh...
And by the way, this isn't about saying Lee should have started over Jefferson (even though I always supported that thought). The article is about the fact that Miles completely abandoned the 2 qb system for the biggest game of his career and the biggest game in the history of LSU football.
This wasn't just a regular season game. That's why many LSU fans aren't just passing over this one, even though we're getting there. It's not gonna just "go away" though. The 2000 UAB loss went away because LSU beat #11 Tenn the very next week. The 2005 Tenn game went away when LSU won every single other game (except the SEC Champ game). This one is gonna lurk around since there's a very long offseason, the basketball team is mediocre, who knows what'll happen in baseball.
The best thing that the sanctimonious crowd could have wished for happening was the Saints winning the Superbowl, but that's out now too... gonna be a long offseason so get ready.
And whether or not GG is trying to stir the pot to sell papers, who cares. He's dead on with this one.
Posted on 1/16/12 at 6:52 am to HoustonLadyTiger
F...LSU had beaten Bama..
LSU did beat Bama and this was still going on.
LSU did beat Bama and this was still going on.
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