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re: Is JLee ruined?
Posted on 11/26/08 at 10:49 am to Prominentwon
Posted on 11/26/08 at 10:49 am to Prominentwon
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For all I know, he could bounce back next year and improve dramatically, but can you argue that there's a possibility that he may be damaged goods now?
I know I'm getting into this thread late, so I'm not sure if anyone's said this, but I think Lee may be beyond repair, but only here at LSU.
I don't think its because Lee isn't tough enough, or that HE can't rebound, but I think the majority of the vocal and idiot FANS and possibly the players and coaches will never BELIEVE in him again. I don't think the problem is Lee, his psyche, or his ability, but the confidence of the people around him that is damaged beyond repair.
For that reason alone, the fact that he will never get a fair shake again at LSU, HE would be better off, and LSU will be worse off IMO, transferring and getting a fresh start where he won't have the same baggage, because I think he absolutely has the ability to bounce back personally if the situation is right.
Its unfortunate too, because I think if he just threw interceptions, and they weren't ridiculously returned for TDs 7 times, he wouldn't have the same stigma.
This post was edited on 11/26/08 at 11:00 am
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Posted on 11/26/08 at 10:49 am to Prominentwon
J Lee is a work in progress. He was thrown into a situation for which he was not ready. He is 1. immobile, 2. a so so passer, and 3. can't see the field as most really good QBs can. This makes him a target for blitzes, allows the opponents defense to line up 8 in the box, and makes him an interception machine. He is not ruined from a psychological aspect, but is limited in the present competition against whom he has to play. These 3 faults were forgiving in a slower high school setting. However, in the SEC where speed is ratcheted up beyond belief, his deficiencies spell failure. He is a good kid, but not ready for playing on a top SEC team. Will he become more mobile, a better passer, and develop peripheral vision? I would place the odds against it. He was the best QB at the time he came in for Hatch. JJ was not ready to take the field then. Miles was in a pickle. I can't say how much of it was coach's fault, as I wasn't there, so Miles gets the benefit of the doubt.
For now we use JJ, and hope our phenom Russell comes in by mid season next year and shows his stuff. Using Lee and Hatch instead of giving RS playing time next year would be a grievous error in my view. My gut tells me miles will not play RS soon enough to come in to help us out. That has been his M.O. so far.
For now we use JJ, and hope our phenom Russell comes in by mid season next year and shows his stuff. Using Lee and Hatch instead of giving RS playing time next year would be a grievous error in my view. My gut tells me miles will not play RS soon enough to come in to help us out. That has been his M.O. so far.
This post was edited on 11/26/08 at 10:53 am
Posted on 11/26/08 at 10:50 am to Elleshoe
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does Hatch ever play a substantial role?
i can't see how
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do we really expect from Garrett?
at this point, who knows
i mean, who would have thought andrew hatch ever would have started a game for LSU @ auburn
a little off topic, i was discussing this with pisces tiger....since RS is enrolling early, if the NCAA allowed it. lets say JJ was to go down in the bowl game, would you consider playing RS in the bowl?
Posted on 11/26/08 at 10:51 am to TheDoc
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J lee also had a whole YEAR of learning the offense.
jefferson was thrown out there after a couple mon
the plays they called for JJ are plays JJ was familiar with....same with Lee.
lee executed his plays much better than JJ executed his plays
it isn't like crowton was calling things JJ was unfamiliar with
Posted on 11/26/08 at 10:55 am to LSUfan4444
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little off topic, i was discussing this with pisces tiger....since RS is enrolling early, if the NCAA allowed it. lets say JJ was to go down in the bowl game, would you consider playing RS in the bowl?
hmm... I don't think he can. He won't have taken any classes. I was under the impression he wasn't actually a student until the spring semester started. Plus, blowing a year of eligibility in a meaningless bowl. That would be weird though
Posted on 11/26/08 at 10:56 am to TheDoc
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J lee also had a whole YEAR of learning the offense.
WHHOOOO de frickin' dooo!! So you're telling me that you'd exect every true SOPHMORE to go and play lights out as a new starter in the SEC?? Hell, one whole year as the #3 QB, learning how to hold a clipboard and make signals is supposed to make you "starter ready". Yeah, just like that SECOND year intern I work with is ready to be lead surgeon on the open heart team.
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jefferson was thrown out there after a couple months.
Yeah, that would be my point in WHY WE DIDN'T SEE MORE OF HIM SOONER!!! you are now making an arguement agaisnt yourself. JJ was not ready to do anymore, any sooner than he did.
Posted on 11/26/08 at 10:58 am to Elleshoe
Prom, good thread and way to discuss facts in a legitimate manner everyone. Nicely done for once! 
Shep, I doubt he can play in the bowl and personally I dont want it, nor do I see the benefit.
Garret........If he's as good as billed and as good and "heady" as I think he is he could be a good one for a year or two after Lee. (with shep rotating)
Shep, I doubt he can play in the bowl and personally I dont want it, nor do I see the benefit.
Garret........If he's as good as billed and as good and "heady" as I think he is he could be a good one for a year or two after Lee. (with shep rotating)
Posted on 11/26/08 at 10:59 am to LSUfan4444
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the plays they called for JJ are plays JJ was familiar with....same with Lee. lee executed his plays much better than JJ executed his plays it isn't like crowton was calling things JJ was unfamiliar with
A statement like this on implies you do not have much knowledge about player development. There is no comparison between a player two years out and one playing as a true freshman. JJ is way ahead of Lee all things equal. Next year at this time he will be a great more developed than JL. Lee makes me cringe every time he goes back to pass. I just wait for the interception. That comes from someone who had the highest hopes for him. I was wrong.
Posted on 11/26/08 at 11:00 am to Elleshoe
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hmm... I don't think he can
i know he can't
i was just wondering if it was allowed for those who have signed and enroleld but not yet attended classes (ie early graduates)
i am pretty sure it starts the day he sets foot on campus to attend class
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blowing a year of eligibility in a meaningless bowl. That would be weird though
i know, which is what brought it up
could it even be considered? i think i'd just have to let mccartney take the riegns with a steady dose of j mithcell and r murphy in the wildact
Posted on 11/26/08 at 11:04 am to steadytiger
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There is no comparison between a player two years out and one playing as a true freshman
of course there is...look at the first 30 passes in conference play of both freshman qb's who were thrust into similar situations
is a good comparison, no. but it is a comparison. just b/c you don't like what it says doesn't make it non existant
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JJ is way ahead of Lee all things equal.
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Next year at this time he will be a great more developed than JL.
okay, so you went from ignoring facts, to making stuff up about the present to predicting the future. thanks, you make the rant a shitty place to be
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Lee makes me cringe every time he goes back to pass. I just wait for the interception
thats because you are comparing what lee has done to what JJ has done in TOTALLY different situations....compare what they have done at the same poinjt in their career and Lee has outplayed JJ.....and it really isn't close
Posted on 11/26/08 at 11:04 am to Paul_LSU_passion
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Well one thing I can tell you right off the bat that makes Jefferson better (in one area) is that he throws a much better screen pass. Lee has struggled with that from day one and still does. Jefferson just has a much more natural screen pass timing and touch
You are obviously one of the people who left the Troy game early because Lee threw the screen pass beautifully during the comeback. It was what got the whole thing going.
Not to mention that beautiful touch throw on the run to Keiland in the Georgia game that looked exactly like Brees' pass to Colston Monday night.
Posted on 11/26/08 at 11:07 am to LSUfan4444
p.s.- i am doing work on some plans for the "interception canal" near NO right now....oh, the irony
Posted on 11/26/08 at 11:09 am to LSUfan4444
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the plays they called for JJ are plays JJ was familiar with....same with Lee.
lee executed his plays much better than JJ executed his plays
it isn't like crowton was calling things JJ was unfamiliar with
what game were you watching?
the ole miss game?
look, I liked lee from the beginning and followed his recruitment closely.
I was a vid supporter of him starting over hatch after the auburn game.
but as the statistics will show, he has gotten worse and looks lifeless out there, still making the same mistakes, and doesn't look like he's learning just yet.
of course gary crowton isn't putting either one of the quarterbacks in great positions, as it looks like he's ignoring down and distance all together...
I will support all the LSU players, go to the games, and never boo not one of them.
I want to see the best players on the field at all times.
is lee ruined? I have no idea. I hope not.
Have the fans been pretty harsh on him this year?
of course they have! As LSU fans, sometimes not that realistic, and the expectations are very great.
As a fan, if the quarterback that is playing everyweek is just not "getting it", and continues to lock on to receivers and continues to make bad decisions, and continues to make the same mistakes over and over again, well maybe it's time to start preparing the next one in line.
i wish Les would have given him playing time this year, but early in the year, it didn't look as though we were even going to need him to play.
Les miles didn't prepare to have JJ STARTING, much less even getting garbage time this year, as he was totally prepared to sit him the rest of the year after the fake "inury" vs. Miss st.
but hatch going down and lee now being hurt makes playing him a necessity.
I hope he plays well, and LSU wins.
I also hope lee gets healed up for the bowl game and splits time, because 1. he needs the playing time 2. he needs his confidence back by playing well.
I think people have me completely wrong on the rant. I DO NOT HATE JARRETT LEE!
He plays for LSU and i'm sure he's a great kid.
I just liked what i saw from jefferson this past weekend. he did some good stuff that I haven't seen lee do all year. like pump fake, actually tuck and run, throw the ball away wisely (ok, lee has done this, but not that much) and throw the ball with waaay more zip on it.
whoever starts for LSU at QB, i hope he succeeds, and the COACHES put him in the position to succeed, no matter what number is on their jersey
Posted on 11/26/08 at 11:10 am to LSUfan4444
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p.s.- i am doing work on some plans for the "interception canal" near NO right now
I hope, for New Orleans' sake, that you have some sort of quality-control procedure before you are done, considering how much you have posted today
This post was edited on 11/26/08 at 11:14 am
Posted on 11/26/08 at 11:13 am to LSUfan4444
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Lee's freshman year > Colt McCoys frshman year
McCoy had 2570 yards with 29 Tds and 7 Ints and you think Lee had a better year?
Posted on 11/26/08 at 11:14 am to diamondtiger
he thought mccoy was stafford.
simple mistake
simple mistake
Posted on 11/26/08 at 11:14 am to diamondtiger
he meant Stafford
Posted on 11/26/08 at 11:14 am to diamondtiger
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McCoy had 2570 yards with 29 Tds and 7 Ints and you think Lee had a better year?
We already established he meant to say Stafford.........you need to read carefully-er
Posted on 11/26/08 at 11:15 am to TheDoc
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I also hope lee gets healed up for the bowl game and splits time, because 1. he needs the playing time 2. he needs his confidence back by playing well.
And I hope you just keep talking out of THIS side of you mouth!
Shall I go back and copy and paste your previous post saying that it is your personal desire that Jarrett Lee NEVER take another snap as an LSU QB??
shall I?
it's there for the taking!
Posted on 11/26/08 at 11:15 am to OldIowaTiger
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carefully-er
Rant vocabulary
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