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Posted on 11/26/08 at 11:20 am to TheDoc
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what game were you watching?
the ole miss game?
yes...i have waatchde all the games....more than once
and the plays crowton called for JJ were plays he and JJ were both comfortable with. plays he knew. if JJ doesn't know enough plays by know, thats HIS problem
the plays crowton called for Lee against auburn were plays he and lee were comfortable with, and lee executed his plays better than JJ did
and JJ has had almost an entire year of reps with starters, 2nd teamers and contributors before the ole miss game. how many snaps do you think lee took from RP and Flynn last year with the starters and 2nd teamers?
the myth that Lee has had SO much more time than JJ is that....a myth
lee had last year, in another offense built for RP and Flynn, that he basically used to get a year older and stronger....even when they needed another qb for alabama, they called on hatch...not Lee
he has had more experience, yes....but not this HUGE glaring difference like some are alluding to
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but as the statistics will show, he has gotten worse and looks lifeless out there, still making the same mistakes, and doesn't look like he's learning just yet.
JJ hasn't even gotten to that point yet, and to think he wouldn't be playing as bad or worse if you put all the criticism on his shoulders when Lee has actually outplayed him in the only time we have to compare is FOOLISH!!!!!
as bad of a year Lee has had, he still had a better freshman year than Stafford did for christs sake!!!
thinking that the booes, pressure and criticism hasn't affected Lee's play and wouldn't have affected JJ's play is flat out ridiculous
just look at the ole miss game....lee started the game with the weight of the entire program on his shoulders knowing that with every mistake he would hear booes. hell, some even cheered when he was hurt.
JJ enters with fanfare and even when he turns out a performance shittier than either of Lee's first 2 SEC games some people are ready to name him the starter for next year
This post was edited on 11/26/08 at 11:22 am
Posted on 11/26/08 at 11:22 am to TheDoc
quote:TheDoc
what are you?
like queen of the rantards?
Favorite team: Navy
Birth Date: March 28
Location: Nothing to see here, move along
Biography: sordid details
Interests: working
Occupation: crusader of common sense
Number of Posts: 8747
Registered on : 12/22/2005
Yeah, about like you are really the "crusader of common sense"
You say you want Jarrett Lee to play and improve today, and yet posted this:
re: 1 more thing (Posted on 11/25 at 10:57 a.m. to Macavity92)
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I really think this board may completely melt down if Lee starts next year.
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as a fan, I don't want to see jarrett lee ever try to throw the ball again in a game.
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I don't appreciate you calling me out, and calling me names when you are so freaking two faced. You are in no position to throw stones, and won't admit when you are wrong, so you have no reason to call me the queen of anything. Except the "Queen of common sense and truth"....
This post was edited on 11/26/08 at 11:23 am
Posted on 11/26/08 at 11:23 am to OldIowaTiger
me so sorry, this is one long arse thread. Regardless, another point that I may have glossed over is that the running game vs AU was stellar for Lee's first SEC action and sucked for Jefferson's.
Posted on 11/26/08 at 11:24 am to LSUfan4444
people are talking about how JJ is progressing and how he "gets it"....after the auburn game all i heard is how Lee finally "got it"
you cannot compare what Lee has done throughout the season and what JJ has done with 27 attempts
you cannot compare what Lee has done throughout the season and what JJ has done with 27 attempts
Posted on 11/26/08 at 11:25 am to LSUfan4444
I take Lee, if for no other reason, because the kid has more balls than most of us here.
Most here yell and criticize behind a fictitious name, I wonder how many could stand up to the BS and criticism that Lee has stood up to and return to play gain week after week.
He will make a great leader down the road.
Most here yell and criticize behind a fictitious name, I wonder how many could stand up to the BS and criticism that Lee has stood up to and return to play gain week after week.
He will make a great leader down the road.
Posted on 11/26/08 at 11:25 am to diamondtiger
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Regardless, another point that I may have glossed over is that the running game vs AU was stellar for Lee's first SEC action and sucked for Jefferson's.
Could that possibly be because Crowton had more than 12 plays he could dial up against AU, with Lee in the game?
Posted on 11/26/08 at 11:25 am to diamondtiger
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another point that I may have glossed over is that the running game vs AU was stellar for Lee's first SEC action and sucked for Jefferson's.
and every pass lee through against auburn was much more "important" than ANY pass JJ through against Ole Miss
Lee was leading a top 10 team on the road against another top 10 team and trying to keep nat't title, SEC west title and SEC titles hopes alive with a win in a game that the ba;ance hinged on just about all of his throws.......JJ was playing an unranked team, at home, to go the cotton bowl in a game that was largely out of hand anyway (alot of it due to his performace)
This post was edited on 11/26/08 at 11:27 am
Posted on 11/26/08 at 11:27 am to rbdallas
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I take Lee, if for no other reason, because the kid has more balls than most of us here.
Most certainly true in my case!!
Seriously, I agree with your post 100%
Posted on 11/26/08 at 11:28 am to LSUmomma
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Could that possibly be because Crowton had more than 12 plays he could dial up against AU, with Lee in the game?
Possibly, but our running game was nothing with Lee in the game and whatever plays he knew. Our o-line flat out sucked for Jefferson.
Posted on 11/26/08 at 11:29 am to diamondtiger
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Our o-line flat out sucked for Jefferson
= JJ hung on to the ball for WAYYYYY to long and protection broke down
Posted on 11/26/08 at 11:31 am to LSUfan4444
Dude if you can't admit the o-line play sucked before Jefferson even took a snap, you are just trying to win an argument at all cost rather than giving an honest assessment of both qbs.
Lee looked very terrible in that game. I know he played well in the past, but even then he made very bad plays. Right now he needs to sit even if he was not injured.
Lee looked very terrible in that game. I know he played well in the past, but even then he made very bad plays. Right now he needs to sit even if he was not injured.
This post was edited on 11/26/08 at 11:32 am
Posted on 11/26/08 at 11:33 am to diamondtiger
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Dude if you can't admit the o-line play sucked before Jefferson even took a snap
you said it sucked for jefferson...it was no worse for JJ than it was for Lee. JJ just hung on to the ball longer
Posted on 11/26/08 at 11:40 am to LSUfan4444
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you said it sucked for jefferson...it was no worse for JJ than it was for Lee. JJ just hung on to the ball longer
Lee holds the ball too long also. See the pick he threw against Bama where the DB blitzed him. I can't quite recall though which of the four it was.
Lee also rushes his throws to wide open receivers. He needs to make up his mind as to what mistake he wants to make, holding the ball to long or rushing his throws or locking onto wideouts or not throwing the ball away or not using his feet to move the chains.
At this point Lee sucks and there is no denying it. Let Jefferson have a shot because Lee sucks.
This post was edited on 11/26/08 at 11:43 am
Posted on 11/26/08 at 11:40 am to LSUfan4444
Honest question: what does lee do better than jefferson?
Posted on 11/26/08 at 11:43 am to TheDoc
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what does lee do better than jefferson
deep ball
Posted on 11/26/08 at 11:44 am to LSUfan4444
I do not know who is really better, but here are my observations:
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They both have different styles....
JJ will take one read and run, this is a high school habit. He is not going beyond the first read.
JL will make multiple reads, but hesitates a little before pulling the trigger and that allows a split second for the receiver to react and has resulted in ints.
They will both improve.
2) A good manager will assign tasks according to the level of ability. Giving a task that an employee can not perform, is setting him up for failure. From seeing Crowton's M.O., I think he draws up the plan he wishes will work and wants the QBs to execute it...he does not consider the ability to perform the task.
That will be OK when both reach maturity,
right now, Crowton shares largely in the blame for not adapting to the QBs ability at this time.
then, there is enough fault to go around...mutiple times.
Neither the OLine, DLine, Secondary or Receivers have played up to their potential.
You are only as strong as your weakest link.
The good coaches bring the best out of the players ...they reach and get them at the level in which their are, and pull them up.
1)
They both have different styles....
JJ will take one read and run, this is a high school habit. He is not going beyond the first read.
JL will make multiple reads, but hesitates a little before pulling the trigger and that allows a split second for the receiver to react and has resulted in ints.
They will both improve.
2) A good manager will assign tasks according to the level of ability. Giving a task that an employee can not perform, is setting him up for failure. From seeing Crowton's M.O., I think he draws up the plan he wishes will work and wants the QBs to execute it...he does not consider the ability to perform the task.
That will be OK when both reach maturity,
right now, Crowton shares largely in the blame for not adapting to the QBs ability at this time.
then, there is enough fault to go around...mutiple times.
Neither the OLine, DLine, Secondary or Receivers have played up to their potential.
You are only as strong as your weakest link.
The good coaches bring the best out of the players ...they reach and get them at the level in which their are, and pull them up.
This post was edited on 11/26/08 at 11:45 am
Posted on 11/26/08 at 11:44 am to diamondtiger
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At this point Lee sucks and there is no denying it. Let Jefferson have a shot because Lee sucks.
imagine if they said the same thing at georgia when stafford was a freshman..........and was having a season much worse than the one Lee just had
but thanks for your input...you too make the rant a shitty place to be
Posted on 11/26/08 at 11:49 am to LSUfan4444
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imagine if they said the same thing at georgia when stafford was a freshman..........and was having a season much worse than the one Lee just had
The talent gap between Stafford and Joe Cox is waaaaaayyyyyy huge. Jefferson may actually be more talented than Lee. Stafford played that way as a true frosh and Lee is a redshirt frosh that has gone through two fall camps, summer 7 on 7 and conditioning, and a full spring. But hey thanks for playing, try again.
Posted on 11/26/08 at 12:05 pm to LSUfan4444
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imagine if they said the same thing at georgia when stafford was a freshman..........and was having a season much worse than the one Lee just had
stafford isn't that great either...
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