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re: Is this the "Biggest" game ever in Tiger Stadium?
Posted on 11/21/11 at 12:07 pm to Ghostfacedistiller
Posted on 11/21/11 at 12:07 pm to Ghostfacedistiller
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It is my understanding that in 1959 vs. Ole Miss, LSU was No. 1 and Ole Miss No. 3. It was also a different era, and with all due respect to the past, it seems the rewards reaped today far exceed those of the 1950s.
You realize how silly this sounds as we still talk about a single play from that game to this very day. I agree this game is big because of what's at stake - well, back then, the #1 ranking was at stake.
In 2007, the Florida game was as big as the game coming up, but perhaps no bigger. If you want to argue this is the biggest game - I see the argument. It certainly is 1 of the biggest regular season games in Tiger Stadium history.
However, #1 versus #2 is not what's required to top it. Likewise, attempting to diminish how big the 1959 game was will ultimately fail, IMO.
The USC game in 1979, we weren't ranked at all, that was a huge game. The 1997 Florida game was also huge, even though nothing was on the line for us, per se.
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Posted on 11/21/11 at 1:23 pm to Ace Midnight
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This game has much bigger implications than that game. There isn't really any logical way to debate it.
I wasn't arguing that they were bigger games. Just that when I think of big games those are the ones that I think of.
I think that if we blow them out, this will not be thought of at all with those games. Just my opinion, but I think Arkansas just isn't on the level of Bama and LSU. I think we win by 2 tds and it ends up being just another game.
To be honest, its not even half the build up the Bama game was or other games we have had here. If its an epic back and forth, I guess it would probably be thought of in that realm though.
We will have to see what happens. I just think we are and most of the country are looking at it as a game we SHOULD win easily, we are 14 point favs, so if we don't it would be more an upset.
This post was edited on 11/21/11 at 1:31 pm
Posted on 11/21/11 at 1:36 pm to extremetigerfanatic
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I think we win by 2 tds and it ends up being just another game.
Except for everything that win will give LSU's program.
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I just think we are and most of the country are looking at it as a game we SHOULD win easily, we are 14 point favs, so if we don't it would be more an upset.
How'd that work out for OSU, Oregon, and OU? And we aren't playing Iowa State. This game is monumental. And not just for what it means for this season.
Posted on 11/21/11 at 1:37 pm to Ace Midnight
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However, #1 versus #2 is not what's required to top it. Likewise, attempting to diminish how big the 1959 game was will ultimately fail, IMO.
Not trying to diminish the '59 game or argue a right and wrong answer. However I think the big-picture significance of a win and national title in 2011 is greater than in 1959 due to the money, tv, exposure that's the result of this success.
Posted on 11/21/11 at 1:41 pm to Mike Linebacker
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I think it is a big one. So big that I wasn't going to the game and now I am. And I'm leaving family on Thanksgiving night to be there. LSU fans better get their game on. We need that old stadium to be rocking. All that shite about it being like inside of a drum. All that shite about the Coliseum in Rome with the visitors being the Christians. All that shite must happen! It must be true. It is our role in this season and we need to step up everybit as much as the players that many on here will demand step up and play the game of their lives.
Posted on 11/21/11 at 1:45 pm to TJG210
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beat an overrated Florida team
Posted on 11/21/11 at 2:01 pm to Ghostfacedistiller
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Not trying to diminish the '59 game or argue a right and wrong answer. However I think the big-picture significance of a win and national title in 2011 is greater than in 1959 due to the money, tv, exposure that's the result of this success.
I don't question your intentions and sincerity - but there's always a tension between the present and the past. Had LSU defeated Tennessee the week after Halloween, 1959 is a MNC for LSU, and back-to-back. As it is, all we won on that October 31st night was a football game and a Heisman Trophy for Billy Cannon. However, that doesn't change how big it was "for the time" (which is a truism, but, in this case, I guess it needs to be restated).
As far as a media spectacle, "exposure" if you will, is there any doubt that the LSU-Bama game just earlier this year will dwarf this week's lead up to LSU-Arkansas? Now your point is still valid because that game was in T-Town. However, we're going to be talking about the Eric Reid interception at Tuscaloosa from now until those of us who saw it aren't here anymore. It remains to be seen if Arkansas will live up to that.
Again, is it the biggest game "ever" in Tiger Stadium? I don't know. Is it 1 of the 2, 3, 4 biggest games ever? Probably.
We got more bang for the buck with the 1997 and 2007 Florida games, and for that matter 2011 @Bama, than we will from 2011 Arky - the reason being: the media will go right into either - "Arkanas had opportunities" or "UGA will surprise LSU" because of the short time window.
Make no mistake about it - we have to win them ALL, and even then, some in the media will derogate our year.
We aren't basing our accomplishments on 1 player or 1 game this year - and I like it that way. It's the total body of work that's impressive.
Posted on 11/21/11 at 2:10 pm to jrodLSUke
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There are a lot of great wins in TS with championships on the line '03 Georgia, '07 Flordia, '07 Arky.
Whoopsie
Posted on 11/21/11 at 2:54 pm to extremetigerfanatic
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If you are just going for big game in relation to where you are as a program, three games come to mind.
1995 Auburn. Troy Twillie int in endzone.
1997 Florida. Beat #1 for first time
2003 GA. Skylar Green TD puts LSU on way to title.
Auburn at the end of the 2001 season is the next biggest game ever after this one, IMO. Getting to the SECCG at that point was HUGE for this program. HUGE.
I frankly can't believe this thread went 4 pages without that Auburn game being mentioned. It was moved to the last game of the year due to 9/11, and the winner would go to the SECCG. Other games (in the middle of the season) have been big games, but none of them were "winner take all" type games.
This post was edited on 11/21/11 at 2:57 pm
Posted on 11/21/11 at 3:11 pm to Ghostfacedistiller
Yes.
First 12-0 season in LSU history.
Automatic berth in SEC Championship game.
Nearly automatic berth in the BCS Title game.
What more could we ask for - and its all in TIGER STADIUM.
First 12-0 season in LSU history.
Automatic berth in SEC Championship game.
Nearly automatic berth in the BCS Title game.
What more could we ask for - and its all in TIGER STADIUM.
Posted on 11/21/11 at 3:14 pm to MetryTyger
Nov. 20, 1971 #14 LSU def. #7 Notre Dame, 28-8
Posted on 11/21/11 at 3:15 pm to Ghostfacedistiller
If it were 1 vs 3 and we were playing Florida or Alabama, then yeah maybe.
But it's fricking Arkansas.
But it's fricking Arkansas.
Posted on 11/21/11 at 3:26 pm to BayouBengals03
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If it were 1 vs 3 and we were playing Florida or Alabama, then yeah maybe.
But it's fricking Arkansas.
That's kind of where I'm going with this. Some Tiger fans just can't get excited about the Hogs even though they've been the biggest thorn in our side the last few years and are ranked No. 3.
Posted on 11/21/11 at 3:31 pm to EST
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First 12-0 season in LSU history.
Maybe this makes it bigger than 2007 Florida, or 1959 Ole Miss...
I'm still leaning no, but I'm looking at it through this prism now.
The Arky game in 2003 was the 11th regular season win (first time ever for that) but we had already lost. I don't remember the game being "huge", but it was not insignificant. The SEC and BCS were huge, but that was the first national championship in 45 years.
Posted on 11/21/11 at 3:38 pm to Ace Midnight
Hogs ain't gonna know what hit them
Posted on 11/21/11 at 3:41 pm to Ace Midnight
Ace, you have many good points.
Anything related to legacy and past/present naturally brings on prejudices for both sides. I can't compare objectively. I'm just looking at the significance of the outcomes for both teams (especially LSU), and their rankings going into the game. That's what I base my view of the game upon.
I agree the Bama game will go down as more hype, but I mean more the hype that would occur as a result of winning this game (division, conference, national championship) as opposed to 1959. The school makes serious cash and the LSU brand worldwide only gets bigger through the exposure. Winning the championship in 1959 would not go as far in those times.
In addition to the 12-0 season, I think it really puts us in the conversation (i know, who cares) with the all time greats. If we finish undefeated there is certainly an argument considering our schedule.
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I don't question your intentions and sincerity - but there's always a tension between the present and the past. Had LSU defeated Tennessee the week after Halloween, 1959 is a MNC for LSU, and back-to-back. As it is, all we won on that October 31st night was a football game and a Heisman Trophy for Billy Cannon. However, that doesn't change how big it was "for the time" (which is a truism, but, in this case, I guess it needs to be restated).
Anything related to legacy and past/present naturally brings on prejudices for both sides. I can't compare objectively. I'm just looking at the significance of the outcomes for both teams (especially LSU), and their rankings going into the game. That's what I base my view of the game upon.
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As far as a media spectacle, "exposure" if you will, is there any doubt that the LSU-Bama game just earlier this year will dwarf this week's lead up to LSU-Arkansas? Now your point is still valid because that game was in T-Town. However, we're going to be talking about the Eric Reid interception at Tuscaloosa from now until those of us who saw it aren't here anymore. It remains to be seen if Arkansas will live up to that.
I agree the Bama game will go down as more hype, but I mean more the hype that would occur as a result of winning this game (division, conference, national championship) as opposed to 1959. The school makes serious cash and the LSU brand worldwide only gets bigger through the exposure. Winning the championship in 1959 would not go as far in those times.
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Maybe this makes it bigger than 2007 Florida, or 1959 Ole Miss...
In addition to the 12-0 season, I think it really puts us in the conversation (i know, who cares) with the all time greats. If we finish undefeated there is certainly an argument considering our schedule.
This post was edited on 11/21/11 at 3:44 pm
Posted on 11/21/11 at 3:46 pm to Tiger in NY
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I frankly can't believe this thread went 4 pages without that Auburn game being mentioned. It was moved to the last game of the year due to 9/11, and the winner would go to the SECCG
And I loved the outcome of that one, just like I think we will this one.
Posted on 11/21/11 at 3:47 pm to Ghostfacedistiller
Hmmm...you could argue that based on the rankings but I think we're much better than Ar-kansas and it will show on friday.
Posted on 11/21/11 at 3:50 pm to Ghostfacedistiller
2009 Florida was a huge game going in.
Tebow's last year and the teams were #1 and #4 respectively.
LSU was also putting it's Saturday night home win streak on the line.
Thanks to Crowton our offense looked especially anemic that evening.
Tebow's last year and the teams were #1 and #4 respectively.
LSU was also putting it's Saturday night home win streak on the line.
Thanks to Crowton our offense looked especially anemic that evening.
Posted on 11/21/11 at 9:22 pm to okietiger
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How'd that work out for OSU, Oregon, and OU? And we aren't playing Iowa State. This game is monumental. And not just for what it means for this season.
Look I am not trying to bash your argument. It's good in theory. This IS a big game. But what happens if we jump on them like we did Oregon and it's a 20 point win and Arkansas is never really in the game?
I think for a game to truly be a BIG game historically, it's going to have to be a very good close game, with neither team giving anything to the other and each having to earn it.
Its just my opinion, but if its another 45-21 game that LSU wins, I don't think anyone will put it in the realm of those other games we discussed.
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