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re: Jefferson is Seriously Limited.
Posted on 9/7/10 at 8:50 pm to AlejandroInHouston
Posted on 9/7/10 at 8:50 pm to AlejandroInHouston
I do believe JJ played pretty well in that game, and yes we did get fricked on that first drive. On the other hand though we couldnt move the chains whatsoever except on the td drive, and on that drive JJ was absolutely money.
This is one of my biggest beefs with JJ is he gets in a rhythm, looks great, scores, next drive suddenly out of rhythm again.
Back to the running game comment i made, IMO and i cant prove this bc its impossible to prove, but i believe with Lee we get a better running game going and i believe this for 2 reasons
1)the defense respect the pass a little more and arent waiting for JL to take off running.
2)JJ has designed runs and i dont believe he is good at running the ball, also he takes off running far too often on passing plays
and For the record, I dont want Lee to start over JJ right now, i want to see what hes got and especially with what the coaches said about him all offseason we shouldnt hesitate to see what he has, especially if we are struggling to move the ball.
This is one of my biggest beefs with JJ is he gets in a rhythm, looks great, scores, next drive suddenly out of rhythm again.
Back to the running game comment i made, IMO and i cant prove this bc its impossible to prove, but i believe with Lee we get a better running game going and i believe this for 2 reasons
1)the defense respect the pass a little more and arent waiting for JL to take off running.
2)JJ has designed runs and i dont believe he is good at running the ball, also he takes off running far too often on passing plays
and For the record, I dont want Lee to start over JJ right now, i want to see what hes got and especially with what the coaches said about him all offseason we shouldnt hesitate to see what he has, especially if we are struggling to move the ball.
This post was edited on 9/7/10 at 8:53 pm
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Posted on 9/7/10 at 8:53 pm to TruLsu
This is what baffles me most about JJ. Clearly the staff has no idea how to use him b/c he's not an option qb nor is he good at manuevering in the pocket with his feet. He just freaks out once the primary wr is covered or slips and then dances and sometimes just runs backwards in circles aaron brooks style.
He is a jr. Why haven't the coaches told him that
1)don't do that it
2)the reason you don't do that is you can't throw the people as your running backwards
3)get rid of the ball safely
4)keep your head up to see wrs
He took sacks early, people said he will learn. He now just freaks out and runs around and chucks up ducks. But hey he didn't take a sack so I guess that's an improvement
He just doesn't threaten the defense at all. He can't run away nor can he throw to the open guy. So all you have to do is double the primary or bump him contain JJ on the option read which is easy since he makes the wrong decision half the time.
Clearly he is afraid of contact the way he reacts to any sign of pressure(makes we wonder why a frightened qb runs the option so many times?). Part of this is justified since the OL is porous, badly coached, undisciplined. But most of it is JJ is not a natural passer, has no pocket awareness, makes too many bad decisions, and worst of all shows almost no ability to learn and improve.
This team has lost the fans, mostly the fault of coaches.
So many flaws.
1)Can't develop players to their potential
2)Don't play the best talent
3)Always predictable
4)Horrible clock management
5)Don't make adjustments fast enough
6)Seem to be a few steps behind in processing information
7)Failed to instill discipline..too many penalties, offsides, delays,
can't get plays in on time
8)Show no killer instinct
9)Can't explain their strategy properly
10)very little attention to detail
11)national laughingstock
12)cannot match up to better coaches, bama, uf
We run 4 plays
read option
fly pattern
pitch sweep
te quick hit
In 3 yrs we don't have confidence JJ can do more?
Can he not throw a 10 yd out or skinny post or square in ? Can he not fake pump in one direction and draw the safety and then hit the open guy on the other side? Can he execute a proper screen? Yeah he's got mechanics issues and poor footing during passes. that's correctable.
Miles makes the argument that we were playing young guys and getting them experience..that's the reason we let UNC back in.
Ok fine.
But for that to be true, you actually have to play young guys, your best ones. ford, ware. significantly. You have to play the other qbs. YOu have to play your best linemen. And you have to teach them more than 4 plays.
Reminds me of obama when he says he'd rather be a good 1 term president that a mediocre 2 termer. But for that to actually be noble you have to do good things in the one term you have.
A mediocre 1 termer is nothing to be proud of.
If we're gonna screw up let all of the young guys do it for the future. Instead we are in the worst of worlds where we suck while we prevent future players from getting experience to get better. So the result is a perpetuating cycle of suckage, a black hole of suckiness.
Gerry Dinardo would be proud.
/First post. exhale
He is a jr. Why haven't the coaches told him that
1)don't do that it
2)the reason you don't do that is you can't throw the people as your running backwards
3)get rid of the ball safely
4)keep your head up to see wrs
He took sacks early, people said he will learn. He now just freaks out and runs around and chucks up ducks. But hey he didn't take a sack so I guess that's an improvement
He just doesn't threaten the defense at all. He can't run away nor can he throw to the open guy. So all you have to do is double the primary or bump him contain JJ on the option read which is easy since he makes the wrong decision half the time.
Clearly he is afraid of contact the way he reacts to any sign of pressure(makes we wonder why a frightened qb runs the option so many times?). Part of this is justified since the OL is porous, badly coached, undisciplined. But most of it is JJ is not a natural passer, has no pocket awareness, makes too many bad decisions, and worst of all shows almost no ability to learn and improve.
This team has lost the fans, mostly the fault of coaches.
So many flaws.
1)Can't develop players to their potential
2)Don't play the best talent
3)Always predictable
4)Horrible clock management
5)Don't make adjustments fast enough
6)Seem to be a few steps behind in processing information
7)Failed to instill discipline..too many penalties, offsides, delays,
can't get plays in on time
8)Show no killer instinct
9)Can't explain their strategy properly
10)very little attention to detail
11)national laughingstock
12)cannot match up to better coaches, bama, uf
We run 4 plays
read option
fly pattern
pitch sweep
te quick hit
In 3 yrs we don't have confidence JJ can do more?
Can he not throw a 10 yd out or skinny post or square in ? Can he not fake pump in one direction and draw the safety and then hit the open guy on the other side? Can he execute a proper screen? Yeah he's got mechanics issues and poor footing during passes. that's correctable.
Miles makes the argument that we were playing young guys and getting them experience..that's the reason we let UNC back in.
Ok fine.
But for that to be true, you actually have to play young guys, your best ones. ford, ware. significantly. You have to play the other qbs. YOu have to play your best linemen. And you have to teach them more than 4 plays.
Reminds me of obama when he says he'd rather be a good 1 term president that a mediocre 2 termer. But for that to actually be noble you have to do good things in the one term you have.
A mediocre 1 termer is nothing to be proud of.
If we're gonna screw up let all of the young guys do it for the future. Instead we are in the worst of worlds where we suck while we prevent future players from getting experience to get better. So the result is a perpetuating cycle of suckage, a black hole of suckiness.
Gerry Dinardo would be proud.
/First post. exhale
Posted on 9/7/10 at 9:15 pm to Sisyphues
Did you even watch the game? JJ stood tall and took a bunch of shots as he was releasing. It's like all you goobers take the same JJ bashing class and come here and repeat the same shite.
Posted on 9/7/10 at 9:21 pm to MightyYat
Sadly I did. And was cheering for UNC in the end only b/c i knew it would hasten Miles departure. Take one for the greater good....
What shots besides the bomb td? to be able to brag about the shots you take after the pass, you have to actually complete those passes?
ie
FAvre and rothlesbugger get props for taking shots b/c they hit the pass..JR took shots too, to a different outcome.
The only release I look forward to, besides from an asian masseuse, is MIles from his contract.
What shots besides the bomb td? to be able to brag about the shots you take after the pass, you have to actually complete those passes?
ie
FAvre and rothlesbugger get props for taking shots b/c they hit the pass..JR took shots too, to a different outcome.
The only release I look forward to, besides from an asian masseuse, is MIles from his contract.
Posted on 9/7/10 at 9:22 pm to Sisyphues
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He is a jr. Why haven't the coaches told him that
1)don't do that it
2)the reason you don't do that is you can't throw the people as your running backwards
3)get rid of the ball safely
4)keep your head up to see wrs
I am sure they have never told him that. They just say it to the newspapers.
quote:
This team has lost the fans, mostly the fault of coaches.
Maybe you big guy, leave me out of it.
quote:
If we're gonna screw up let all of the young guys do it for the future. Instead we are in the worst of worlds where we suck while we prevent future players from getting experience to get better.
You must have missed the part of the rant that has been bitching about having so many young players in during the 3rd Quarter.
Posted on 9/7/10 at 9:27 pm to Sisyphues
quote:
This team has lost the fans
Speak for yourself, please.
If "This team" has "lost" you after an opening game win on the road over a ranked ACC team, then perhaps they haven't lost much.
Posted on 9/7/10 at 9:30 pm to Sisyphues
quote:
And was cheering for UNC in the end only b/c i knew it would hasten Miles departure.
fricking Posted on 9/7/10 at 9:33 pm to Sisyphues
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This team has lost the bandwagonners, mostly the fault of coaches.
fify
If they lost them, why the frick don't they stay gone?
Posted on 9/7/10 at 9:36 pm to JaxTigah
quote:
I am sure they have never told him that. They just say it to the newspapers.
Makes you wonder why it doesn't stick? Perhaps its a translation issue.
quote:
Maybe you big guy, leave me out of it.
1)Buy a radio
2)tune into local sports station
3)watch sports edition of any local news network
When the media turns on you its well beyond....they never lead the charge anymore, they're a band of weak followers.....
quote:
You must have missed the part of the rant that has been bitching about having so many young players in during the 3rd Quarter.
window dressing.....
orchestra on the titanic....
seated flotation devices on airplanes....
Answer...things that are too little too late
Seriously have you not seen the teams this coaching staff has put out for 3 yrs running? mediocrity is almost too kind a word....
Posted on 9/7/10 at 9:41 pm to Chicken
With all due respect to Chicken, I always assume that the STAFF knows way more what it has personnel wise than the entire coterie of the ranter Nation combined. My conclusion is that from where they sit, Mr. Jefferson is the best, i.e. not close, option at QB. He has not progressed as they would have liked and this has pruned back the playbook considerably.
Something seems to be wrong with the Offense if what conventional wisdom about our "talent" is true. Compare a Boise State or TCU to LSU. What is the difference? Maybe LSU's horses are just not that good. There is not necessarily the running game to help a middling passer.
The Defense looks to improve, but they must get some production from the O to avoid 4 Q exhaustion.
Someone help me out here...
Something seems to be wrong with the Offense if what conventional wisdom about our "talent" is true. Compare a Boise State or TCU to LSU. What is the difference? Maybe LSU's horses are just not that good. There is not necessarily the running game to help a middling passer.
The Defense looks to improve, but they must get some production from the O to avoid 4 Q exhaustion.
Someone help me out here...
Posted on 9/7/10 at 10:23 pm to AlejandroInHouston
Well, I see my presence is not needed here. The sunshine pumpers are well on their way down the yellow brick road. Time, however, is on our side. So we will wait and see. I do have to make just one itty, bitty correction
Jo. Jefferson: 11/17; 1 int; 96 yds; 0 TDs; 5 sacks (-31 yds)
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La Tech was easily the worst QB performance in modern day LSU history. Easily.
Jo. Jefferson: 11/17; 1 int; 96 yds; 0 TDs; 5 sacks (-31 yds)
Posted on 9/7/10 at 10:25 pm to RobbBobb
dude high completion percentage
Posted on 9/7/10 at 10:26 pm to Sisyphues
quote:
Sadly I did. And was cheering for UNC in the end only b/c i knew it would hasten Miles departure. Take one for the greater good....
I have a friend who can't stand Les Miles and says he hopes LSU just loses so they can get rid of him. Yet, that moron paid his money to go to Atlanta and I can guarantee you he was doing all of the LSU cheers, talking $hit and celebrating after every LSU score. Then as soon as the game ended he's talking about how he wishes they would have lost just to get rid of him faster. And he's full of $hit. He wasn't pulling against LSU during the game.
It's a screwed up mentality. Miles does some heavily stupid $hit, but people who pay big $ to go on road trips and say they were hoping for LSU to lose are dumber than Miles.
You want to get rid of a coach - quit going to home games, quit going to road games, quit buying concessions, etc. That would make sense because money definitely talks and bull$hit walks.
What will be will be. I'm not a huge Les fan and he's been leaving a lot to be desired, but I don't pull against the team. That's just dumb. People who say they're fans, but claim that they pulled against the team in the first game of the season have a problem with being negative pricks more than they have a problem with Miles. Because in the end, things will sort themselves out if Miles doesn't accomplish what is expected of him at LSU.
Posted on 9/7/10 at 10:34 pm to RobbBobb
quote:
Jo. Jefferson: 11/17; 1 int; 96 yds; 0 TDs; 5 sacks (-31 yds)
JJ was $hitty in that game, but lets get real - Florida was ranked #1. Louisiana Tech was ranked
# uhhh... uhhh...
Tech is a team where you're supposed to have decent numbers. No comparison in the competition... Also, LSU's coaches had the great wisdom to not play Shep at all in the Florida game. That really helped the unpredictability of our offense in that one as well.
This post was edited on 9/7/10 at 10:39 pm
Posted on 9/7/10 at 10:42 pm to RobbBobb
(Well, I see my presence is not needed here)
Half of your 7504 posts are on JJ and you finally found that out!
Half of your 7504 posts are on JJ and you finally found that out!
Posted on 9/7/10 at 10:44 pm to Big EZ Tiger
quote:
JJ was $hitty in that game, but lets get real - Florida was ranked #1. Louisiana Tech was ranked
# uhhh... uhhh...
oh, wait. Another excuse.
OK, Fla was #1, but they werent really #1, now were they? After all, didnt Bama beat them? But what did our scrub of a 2nd string QB do against the true #1 Fla team?
quote:
Jarrett Lee: 38/23; 2 ints; 209 yds; 2 TDs; 2 sacks (-15 yds)
So in comparison, one against a faux #1 Fla, and the real deal #1 Fla team:
Jarrett Lee: 38/23; 2 ints; 209 yds; 2 TDs; 2 sacks (-15 yds)
Jo. Jefferson: 11/17; 1 int; 96 yds; 0 TDs; 5 sacks (-31 yds)
Thats twice the completions, twice the yds, 2 more TDs, half the sacks and sack yardage.
I'll hang up and wait on the run game excuse to follow
Posted on 9/7/10 at 10:49 pm to RobbBobb
my bad 7505 
Posted on 9/7/10 at 11:26 pm to RobbBobb
quote:
oh, wait. Another excuse.
OK, Fla was #1, but they werent really #1, now were they? After all, didnt Bama beat them? But what did our scrub of a 2nd string QB do against the true #1 Fla team?
quote:
Yes, they were #1 when we played them. Really. After Bama beat their azz, they weren't. They finished at #3 I believe. Still not a big difference...
[quote]Thats twice the completions, twice the yds, 2 more TDs, half the sacks and sack yardage.
I'll hang up and wait on the run game excuse to follow
Ha...You forgot 1X as many pick 6s in your stats.
Yeah, what a game that was. It was 20-0 before we ever scored and they posted 51 on us and beat us by 30 (even with that running game you talked about). They had the water boys and the mascot playing on defense at one point to let everybody in on the action and to rest the good players for the real games.
Actually, other than the pick 6, JL did okay in that game.
Posted on 9/7/10 at 11:38 pm to Big EZ Tiger
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(even with that running game you talked about). They had the water boys and the mascot playing on defense at one point to let everybody in on the action and to rest the good players for the real games.
Really?
JJs RBs amassed a grand total of 70 yds the night of his poor performance, against the not really #1 Fla team. So a poor run game probably hurt him
However, when JLee played against the truly #1 Fla team (doubling JJs production), his RBs amassed a grand total of just 66 yds. A poor run game didnt seem to hurt him. hmmmm
And those must have been some damn fine water boys to hold the explosive '08 running game to just 66 yds
Posted on 9/7/10 at 11:46 pm to RobbBobb
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Really?
No. Dude - it was a joke.
I only mentioned the running game because you mentioned it. I can't remember what they did in that game at all.
Like I said, the game wasn't close, but I thought JL played okay in that game.
If you're gonna talk about 2008...ultimately, a JJ led offense averaged more points than the JL led offense in starts in 2008. JJ scored more than JL in the Ole Miss game as well when they each played for about a half.
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