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re: Jefferson is Seriously Limited.
Posted on 9/7/10 at 7:49 pm to BT
Posted on 9/7/10 at 7:49 pm to BT
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In the 15 plus games that JJ has started at the qb postion, in one word how would you describle LSU's offense.
If you look at the situation honestly, by far the biggest problems were Crowton, followed by the worse offensive line in LSU history, followed by injured running backs, and then an inexperienced QB who really performed better than expected when you compare his performance to players like McElroy at Alabama that had a national championship offensive line to play behind.
Not to mention that in one game so far this season, JJ has completed over 70 percent of his passes with 2 touchdowns and only one meaningless interception when he was trying to throw the ball away, and the 51-yard touchdown pass he threw to RR was a thing of beauty. Compare that with JJs lousy 40% completion rate in 2009, and one would have to be a mental retard to want to play JL over JJ. Yet, like a mental retard that is exactly what you want to do, you want to bench JJ in favor of JL. Give me a break you mental retard.
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Why it's more important for you to bash JL than it is to build up JJ is obvious.
I’m not bashing JL; I’m simply interpreting the facts and the facts or the facts.
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IMO you hate JL more than you like JJ and that pal is precisley the reason why posters such as yourself disgust me.
Actually, if the facts indicated that JL was the better quarterback, I would support JL, but unfortunately for you, they don’t. I don’t have a horse in this race. The only thing that matters to me is the facts, as the facts or the facts.
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Posted on 9/7/10 at 8:00 pm to Dead Fish
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Yet, like a mental retard that is exactly what you want to do, you want to bench JJ in favor of JL. Give me a break you mental retard
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I’m simply interpreting the facts and the facts or the facts.
but back on topic
I just did a little bit of research, you quoted earlier Lee delivered the 2 worst games any qb has ever had at LSU. Lets go back to the Alabama game.
Drive summary
So JJ led Lsu to drives of 3,3,4,13,3,3 plays in the first half.
Lee comes in during the first drive of the second half, tosses a 20 yard pass on 3rd and 32, we go for it on 4th completes another 15 yard pass but gets called back and we punt.
Next drive, 6 plays 59 yds touchdown. Goes 3 and out the next 2 drives, now were down by 10 with a minute left and he gets picked off.
Point being if Lee played one of the worst games in LSU history here, How bad was JJ's then? Oh wait JJ had a higher completion percentage which automatically makes him better right? Even though he couldnt get a first down in the first half but on 2 of 6 drives.
This post was edited on 9/7/10 at 8:01 pm
Posted on 9/7/10 at 8:01 pm to Dead Fish
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If you look at the situation honestly, by far the biggest problems were Crowton, followed by the worse offensive line in LSU history, followed by injured running backs, and then an inexperienced QB who really performed better than expected when you compare his performance to players like McElroy at Alabama that had a national championship offensive line to play behind.
Your whole post is money, but this point especially.
It's astounding at the shite poor JJ takes for what was really an above average season last year.
His coaches let him down and even went so far as to partially throw him under the bus for the Ole Miss "clocking" snafu when Miles himself was the one calling for it!
Posted on 9/7/10 at 8:02 pm to TruLsu
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Next drive, 6 plays 59 yds touchdown. Goes 3 and out the next 2 drives, now were down by 10 with a minute left and he gets picked off.
Why don't you break down the passes that Lee threw on this 6 play TD drive? I'm willing to give credit where credit is due, so let me know about how many big passes Jarrett Lee threw on this TD drive and I'll be sure to follow up with some hearty compliments for him.
This post was edited on 9/7/10 at 8:04 pm
Posted on 9/7/10 at 8:04 pm to AlejandroInHouston
quote:you want to know why all of a sudden the running game worked?
Why don't you break down the passes that Lee threw on this 6 play TD drive?
Lee comes out hits 2 quick passes on this defense that hadnt been done all game and suddenly they have to respect the pass more. This opens up the running game.
Posted on 9/7/10 at 8:05 pm to TruLsu
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you want to know why all of a sudden the running game worked?
Lee comes out hits 2 quick passes on this defense that hadnt been done all game and suddenly they have to respect the pass more. This opens up the running game.
Then why did we go 3 and out on the following 2 possessions?
And by the way if you're implying that Lee completed 2 passes on the scoring drive you might want to re-check that sequence.
This post was edited on 9/7/10 at 8:07 pm
Posted on 9/7/10 at 8:06 pm to TruLsu
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This post was edited on 9/7/10 at 8:07 pm
Posted on 9/7/10 at 8:08 pm to AlejandroInHouston
quote:next possession
Then why did we go 3 and out on the following 2 possessions?
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1st and 10 at LSU 20 Jarrett Lee pass complete to Russell Shepard for 5 yards to the LSU 25.
2nd and 5 at LSU 25 Russell Shepard rush for 4 yards to the LSU 29.
3rd and 1 at LSU 29
Timeout LSU, clock 11:29.
3rd and 1 at LSU 29 Stevan Ridley rush for no gain to the LSU 29.
has nothing to do with Lee that Ridley didnt follow his lead blocker on this play.
Posted on 9/7/10 at 8:08 pm to AlejandroInHouston
Awesome, now we're back to arguing about '09. It's going to be a long season. Btw, has anyone mentioned Lee's pick six in the Spring Game? If not, there's my contribution. 
Posted on 9/7/10 at 8:09 pm to AlejandroInHouston
quote:and no, i was implying the two quick passes on the drive before, the 20 yarder to RJ jackson and the 15 yarder that got called back made the defense adjust for the next drive
And by the way if you're implying that Lee completed 2 passes on the scoring drive you might want to re-check that sequence.
Posted on 9/7/10 at 8:10 pm to Dead Fish
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I’m simply interpreting the facts and the facts or the facts.
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The only thing that matters to me is the facts, as the facts or the facts.
since you seem to have such a huge erection for facts....how about this fact
112th?
Also I find it funny how any excuse I gave for JL was in your words "lame"
however youv'e blamed every possible outlet besides JJ on his struggles....hmmmmmm wonder why???
You talk out of both sides of your mouth and everyone here knows it.
I think its important to keep in mind that no one is saying JL should start over JJ saturday... just that he should be given a few series if this JJ led offense CONTINUES to struggle, so that we can see who is right about his progession or lack there of..... there is no reason why anyone would disagree outside the fact that they have a personal bias against JL, which you do.
And that is why you suck as a poster and as a LSU fan.
This post was edited on 9/7/10 at 8:15 pm
Posted on 9/7/10 at 8:10 pm to MightyYat
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Awesome, now we're back to arguing about '09. It's going to be a long season. Btw, has anyone mentioned Lee's pick six in the Spring Game? If not, there's my contribution.
Dead fish was running his mouth about Lee delivering the 2 worst qb performances in the history of LSU. I had to defend that onePosted on 9/7/10 at 8:10 pm to TruLsu
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TruLsu
You should stop trying to argue with this clown.
Since '08, the offense has been a struggle to watch. JL had his struggles, and JJ has definitely had his. Anyone who is anointing JJ as never making a mistake and being a savior is mistaken.
Our offense's yardage totals from Washington until now are among the worst stretch of totals in the country/LSU's history. The OL was worse in '09 than in '08, but anyone who claims that JJ did not play a part in the struggles last year is ridiculous, and looks like a fool in doing so.
This is not an endorsement of JL. He had his problems. I, for one, would like to see what he can do with a couple of starts this year. The JL haters gave up on him when we went 8-5 with a defense worse than what JJ plays with.
JJ's quarterbacking of our offense has not resulted in an improvement of the offense. Our defense being 3rd in the SEC in scoring last year had more to do with us winning games than JJ being quarterback.
Anyone who puts the Bama loss last year on Lee is a fricking idiot.
Posted on 9/7/10 at 8:12 pm to TruLsu
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has nothing to do with Lee that Ridley didnt follow his lead blocker on this play.
Yet somehow it's JJ's fault that Ridley and Murph fumbled and we got a bogus holding call?
Posted on 9/7/10 at 8:12 pm to MightyYat
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Btw, has anyone mentioned Lee's pick six in the Spring Game? If not, there's my contribution.
JL could have thrown 3 pick sixes and hed still looked better than JJ did.
Reason why spring game isnt mentioned in the attempt to blast JL is b/c JJ looked so pathetic... and thats a fact and you know it.
Posted on 9/7/10 at 8:12 pm to BT
quote:fricking this
I think its important to keep in mind that no one is saying JL should start over JJ saturday... just that he should be given a few series if this JJ led offense CONTINUES to struggle, so that we can see who is right about his progession or lack there of..... there is no reason why anyone would disagree outside the fact that they have a personal bias against JL, which you do. And that is why you suck as a poster and as a LSU fan.
the way JJ plays, he will more than likely be injured again, do you really want him getting hurt and a backup who hasnt had a chance to get in rhythm in 2 years play, especially if the coaching staff all offseason has been hyping his improvement and how much he has closed the gap bw him and JJ
This post was edited on 9/7/10 at 8:13 pm
Posted on 9/7/10 at 8:13 pm to Tiger Ryno
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I say if he's the started, let the hair go with the hide and gun the football. We need to be a throwing team (quick throws, more screens and intermediate routes to get the ball in Randle, Toliver, and Shepards hands) because our best advantage is on the outside with the receivers we have. Put in on Jefferson's shoulders and see if he can do it.
says it all. we just need to get it in their hands. also need to put PP on offense and get it in his hands
Posted on 9/7/10 at 8:14 pm to TruLsu
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Dead fish was running his mouth about Lee delivering the 2 worst qb performances in the history of LSU. I had to defend that one
La Tech was easily the worst QB performance in modern day LSU history. Easily.
Posted on 9/7/10 at 8:14 pm to MightyYat
quote:i have never said this, some ppl are borderline retarded
Yet somehow it's JJ's fault that Ridley and Murph fumbled and we got a bogus holding call?
Posted on 9/7/10 at 8:15 pm to MightyYat
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Yet somehow it's JJ's fault that Ridley and Murph fumbled and we got a bogus holding call
Definitely not on JJ. The offense struggling as a whole for the last year does have something to do with JJ, though.
Since when does a quarterback not play a major part in how the offense moves the ball? Who are you trying to kid here?
Blame the OL for '09.
Blame the defense and coaches for not making JL be careful with the ball in '08.
Both quarterbacks had MAJOR impacts to the offense... they touch the fricking ball every play and decide where to go with it. Both had struggles. If you can't acknowledge that the offense being so anemic last year had something to do with Jefferson, then this is a pointless debate because you either won't admit it or are really that delusional.
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