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re: Jefferson vs. Lee Inside the Numbers *Updated*
Posted on 10/6/10 at 6:22 pm to OBUDan
Posted on 10/6/10 at 6:22 pm to OBUDan
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I honestly don't get why people are so genuinely excited about Lee.
JJ has shown no growth while getting most of the 1st team reps in fall practice and through the first four weeks of the season.
JL achieved similar results in the UT game without that benefit. Thus, many believe he will be an improvement.
Your stats are nice for telling what happened in the last game, but have no predictive value. Unfortunately, there is no way to know without actually making the change.
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Posted on 10/6/10 at 6:23 pm to DonnyBravo
quote:and stalled, or had stalled by others, more drives than he helped.
Lee got us down to the goal line twice
Statistically speaking, we were better off playing both of them. We probably lose with only one of them taking all the snaps.
Quit deifying the kid. Does he throw better than JJ? Yes. Is he a good quarterback? Leaning terrible, but will reserve further judgment until after UF.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 6:24 pm to s0tiger
quote:Who is using them for that?
but have no predictive value
Posted on 10/6/10 at 6:24 pm to Roaad
painful as it is, just me is right on.
when you have no QB, use two QBs.
when you have no QB, use two QBs.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 6:25 pm to Roaad
quote:
Kid still throws off his back foot.
He clearly has the same bad habits as he had in 08. I hope he gets it fixed before Saturday. They'll go yard on him if he plays that way.
Yep.
He seems to read defenses better, but his throwing habits are very worrisome.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 6:25 pm to OBUDan
quote::kige:
He seems to read defenses better, but his throwing habits are very worrisome.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 6:26 pm to philter
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But a long sustained drive is the definition of 'not a fluke'.
Eh, 16 plays is a fluke.
I mostly did it because the one play drive by JJ drastically (and unfairly) drives down his average drive length total while 16 plays unfairly does the same for Lee in the other direction.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 6:28 pm to guttata
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Without Lee, LSU loses to Tenn. End of thresd
frick stats....i know what i saw....and the rest of tigernation knows it too...
JJ should NEVER come off the bench!!!
Posted on 10/6/10 at 6:28 pm to s0tiger
quote:
JL achieved similar results in the UT game without that benefit. Thus, many believe he will be an improvement.
And maybe (hopefully) he will.
I have no dog in the fight. I don't care if the QB is Lee or JJ. Just as long as who plays gives us the best chance to win.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 6:30 pm to TigerFan55555
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i know what i saw....
YOu must have been grabbing a beer on the 83 yard TD run.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 6:32 pm to Bear Is Dead
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that was the most JJ-bias stat presentation ever. Are you going to be his agent when he plays in the arena league?
Canada. as a WR
He wont make it in the arena league as a QB. They have to be able to pass.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 6:33 pm to Roaad
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Obviously the running game is more effective with JJ in the game. Perhaps that's why he is starting Saturday....
Maybe I misread this statement as a prediction based on the stats.
The OP states that the running game is "obviously more effective with JJ." The stats only tell us that the running game against UT was more effective with JJ, but we can't know how this would play out going forward. A greatly improved passing threat (which may or may not materialize with JL over time) might result in a much better running game in the long term. We don't have enough data points to draw meaningful conclusions. I will be interested to see how this evolves over the season.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 6:35 pm to s0tiger
quote:
The OP states that the running game is "obviously more effective with JJ." The stats only tell us that the running game against UT was more effective with JJ, but we can't know how this would play out going forward.
I should have worded that better. I meant for this game the running game was more effective with him.
And maybe that's why he's still getting PT.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 6:36 pm to s0tiger
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We don't have enough data points to draw meaningful conclusions. I will be interested to see how this evolves over the season.
I posted earlier in the thread that I'll come back next week and do the exact same thread with the stats.
Like I said, I'm not interested in hyping one over the other, just found it interesting and maybe a partial reasoning for him getting the start this weekend.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 6:41 pm to TigerFan55555
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JJ should NEVER come off the bench!!!
Don't get too crazy now...the vast majority of fans said JL should never see the field again after the La. Tech game.
So with neither one of them coming off the bench, that would leave us with...
Posted on 10/6/10 at 6:42 pm to just me
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If you take out both QB's biggest plays, Jefferson still has more yards per play than Lee.
No
Not even close
You can't count yardage picked up on the ground by other players for the QBs. That's stupid.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 6:50 pm to Powerman
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ou can't count yardage picked up on the ground by other players for the QBs. That's stupid.
Okay then, you can't count yardage picked up through the air because another player has to catch it for it to work.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 6:50 pm to Powerman
quote:Unless the QB plays a role in that yardage.
That's stupid.
Jefferson's ability to run forced UT to pay attention to him.
Face it, both QB's are pretty awful.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 6:57 pm to Powerman
quote:
No
Not even close
You can't count yardage picked up on the ground by other players for the QBs. That's stupid.
Actually, I just did a quick calculation of that...and it's a lot closer than you would think (or much closer than I thought).
Lee averaged more, but it was only 1.57 yards per play more (no RB yards included of course and with each player's longest play taken out like you were talking about).
Anyway, let's just hope that Lee will build on those last few drives and get better as the season goes on because that hasn't happened for JJ so far.
This post was edited on 10/6/10 at 6:58 pm
Posted on 10/6/10 at 6:58 pm to Big EZ Tiger
quote:
Actually, I just did a quick calculation of that...and it's a lot closer than you would think (or much closer than I thought).
He's saying if you take away the 83 yard run though
That would give Jefferson 47 total yards
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