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Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:07 pm to OBUDan
I'm curious as to why Lee's increased passing threat doesn't open up the running lanes for Ridley a comparable amount to the threat Jefferson poses as a runner. I wonder if the Tennessee game was an anomaly or if there is something deeper involved.
While Lee is the better QB and passer, if these rushing differences continue, you have to play Jefferson to maintain balance. Hopefully as teams gameplan more for the pass with Lee's presence, that will open up lanes to allow a more equal rushing average, thereby giving the best of both worlds in one QB.
While Lee is the better QB and passer, if these rushing differences continue, you have to play Jefferson to maintain balance. Hopefully as teams gameplan more for the pass with Lee's presence, that will open up lanes to allow a more equal rushing average, thereby giving the best of both worlds in one QB.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:07 pm to OBUDan
quote:
Not necessarily.
JJ is handicapped by having a 1 play drive.
So that's as good as having only 5 drives.
If you are including a data set into an analysis...it is wrong to include numbers on certain portions and exclude them on others...depending on what suits your goal.
Either the long run counts..hence the 1 play drive counts. Or it doesn't.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:07 pm to Powerman
quote:
2 big runs padded the stats for when JJ was in the game.
I thought big runs were all the rage in football anyhow?
Wouldn't have anything to do with D being stretched, would it?
I know it doesn't fit your agenda, but it's foolish to refute common gridiron knowledge of what the option can do for rushing (and passing, if you can hit recievers).
I'm out, this is like talking to bricks with Lee painted on them.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:07 pm to cwill
I've taken to calling our QB options: two different kinds of suck.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:09 pm to Powerman
quote:I find it funny that after all of the statistical atrocities you commit in this thread, you then berate someone else for using a small sample size. Since Lee only has meaningful snaps in one game, we can ONLY use this sample.
The sample size for Ridley when each was in at QB is just too small
No one is saying this must be true going forward, but we are making initital judgments off of this one game. The small sample is all we have, and it's better than NO evidence. One would be misusing stats if they looked at one game and said, "obvioulsy Lee can't run the rush game and should be benched." But no one is saying that. From the evidence we have, the rush offense worked better under JJ and the pass offense worked better under Lee. Which lends support (not difinitve proof) for the current 2 QB system. Especially until we have a larger sample on which to make better conclusions.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:09 pm to CptBengal
quote:
If you are including a data set into an analysis...it is wrong to include numbers on certain portions and exclude them on others...depending on what suits your goal.
Either the long run counts..hence the 1 play drive counts. Or it doesn't.
I never excluded it for anything.
But which would you rather have a 7 play drive that results in a punt or a 1 play drive that results in a TD?
Now, people raise the point, "Lee gets more extended" drives. I bring up each player's drive length (which are remarkably similar) and if you are going off plays per drive alone, a 1 play drive makes it look horrible for JJ, though in fact that resulted in one of our only two TDs.
I'm just presenting all the information.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:10 pm to just me
quote:
Jefferson drove LSU from LSU's 41 so that LSU could kick that field goal.
I find this funny for some reason.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:10 pm to Baloo
quote:
I find it funny that after all of the statistical atrocities you commit in this thread, you then berate someone else for using a small sample size. Since Lee only has meaningful snaps in one game, we can ONLY use this sample.
No one is saying this must be true going forward, but we are making initital judgments off of this one game. The small sample is all we have, and it's better than NO evidence. One would be misusing stats if they looked at one game and said, "obvioulsy Lee can't run the rush game and should be benched." But no one is saying that. From the evidence we have, the rush offense worked better under JJ and the pass offense worked better under Lee. Which lends support (not difinitve proof) for the current 2 QB system. Especially until we have a larger sample on which to make better conclusions.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:11 pm to LSUdm21
quote:
It's amazing where you've gone in just a few short months regarding the QB situation Doc.
The second game of the season is when I stopped supporting him as a qb.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:11 pm to TheDoc
quote:
83 yards rushing (one busted play)
That was a pretty funny post, but JJ did juke that defender and didn't allow the guy to slow him down. I have to give credit where credit is do. That was nice. He pulled a similar, but actually better move against State defenders on his nice TD run in that one.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:11 pm to Bayou Sam
quote:I guess you missed the 2 or 3 quick throws to Shep and the 1 to RR in the flat.
But if our fool coaches could figure out a way to make RS or someone else the outside threat while keeping the passing threat of Lee in the game, you'd think that Ridley would benefit.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:12 pm to just me
quote:
LSU loses without those three points.
Oh, were gonna play that game?
Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:12 pm to OBUDan
quote:
You seem to be one of only two people to understand what I'm saying.
I understand, I just don't want to argue with idiots.
(You're not the idiot.)
Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:13 pm to Baloo
quote:
I find it funny that after all of the statistical atrocities you commit in this thread, you then berate someone else for using a small sample size. Since Lee only has meaningful snaps in one game, we can ONLY use this sample.
Lee started a number of games in 2008 but no one wants to reference those abortions. I can still hear the boos raining down from the stands in our last game against Arky that year and then the wild cheers when JJ entered the game and did actually play much better.
But arguing over who should start is pointless - they are both mediocre QBs who have not been developed by Les Miles. Just fire Les, get a new, competent coach and let's see if these kids can play at all.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:14 pm to Big EZ Tiger
quote:
That was a pretty funny post, but JJ did juke that defender and didn't allow the guy to slow him down. I have to give credit where credit is do. That was nice. He pulled a similar, but actually better move against State defenders on his nice TD run in that one.
Good juke, but cmon
How many points was lsu favored in this game?
17?
Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:14 pm to TheDoc
quote:10 out of 16 points against Tennessee.
83 yards rushing (one play where he juked a Tennessee defender out of his cleats)
Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:14 pm to amiznit
It's rather pathetic that you can't say anything remotely positive about Jefferson without people thinking/acting like you have an agenda.
I didn't start the thread because I was gonna prove all the haters why JJ is the best QB ever. I've been just as maddened by his shitacular play as everyone else.
But I was just looking at the numbers today and found it interesting. The initial take away is that the run game operated better with JJ, the passing game better with Lee. Does that mean it will always be true? No. But something interesting to look at.
I didn't start the thread because I was gonna prove all the haters why JJ is the best QB ever. I've been just as maddened by his shitacular play as everyone else.
But I was just looking at the numbers today and found it interesting. The initial take away is that the run game operated better with JJ, the passing game better with Lee. Does that mean it will always be true? No. But something interesting to look at.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:15 pm to just me
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10 out of 16 points against Tennessee.
He kicked a fg too?
How many td's did he throw?
Oh... What's that?
He hasn't thrown a td since sept 4th?
Hmmmm
Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:16 pm to musick
quote:Did you miss the 16 yard run for a touchdown against MSU? Because that one could have gone for 83 yards too.
Right, because a 54 yard pass to a great WR streaking down the sideline doesn't happen as often as a 86 yard read option run from a QB that has never gained more than 6 yard on that play before doesn't.
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