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re: Jordan Jefferson
Posted on 8/16/10 at 12:12 am to bgtiger
Posted on 8/16/10 at 12:12 am to bgtiger
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I am currently watching the Cap One Bowl and I have one question for this thread; WHAT POCKET ????
this. he didn't have much of a pocket to move around in last year. everyones talking about his lack of movement in the pocket when there aren't to many places for him to move.
that being said i agree he has a lot to improve on from the capitol one bowl to the unc game.
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Posted on 8/16/10 at 12:15 am to SammyTiger
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you say JJ is below average, name 6 qb's that start in the SEC better.
The only reason you can even make this argument is because the SEC is down on that position at the moment, and so many QBs going into this fall are new and/or untested. Just going by the last 10 years, so far Jefferson has performed worse than your average QB in the conference.
Posted on 8/16/10 at 12:16 am to GeauxMariners
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literally..needs learn to step up in the pocket.
Is it really that frickin hard?
Posted on 8/16/10 at 12:17 am to Doc Fenton
Doc, what SEC offensive lines performed as bad as the Tiger OL did last year? Not many.
Posted on 8/16/10 at 12:18 am to bgtiger
It's been taken into account.
Posted on 8/16/10 at 12:27 am to Doc Fenton
Well, I just think its really, really hard to judge a young QB playing behind a line like that. I still think he has the potential to be an average or better QB but he will never get a chance to show that unless the OL improves greatly. One thing you can confidently say about JJ is that he is not a natural ad liber type QB. He's had all the opportunity in the world to prove that.
He can be a lot better than Daryll Clark at PSU, FWIW
He can be a lot better than Daryll Clark at PSU, FWIW
This post was edited on 8/16/10 at 12:29 am
Posted on 8/16/10 at 12:30 am to cardee2003
at all the delusional idiots defending Jordan Jefferson. That guy is nothing but a waste of time. Dude needs about 30 minutes to read a defense. But of course we'll blame the o-line and everyone else when he takes a sack at the 50 after being in field goal range and when he spikes the ball with 1 second left in the game.Posted on 8/16/10 at 12:34 am to Three 6 Italia
The OL was atrocious.....atrocious means bad, big boy.
ETA: just watched JJ read a PSU defense and check with LaFell for our first TD.... after some personell changes on the OL.
ETA: just watched JJ read a PSU defense and check with LaFell for our first TD.... after some personell changes on the OL.
This post was edited on 8/16/10 at 1:06 am
Posted on 8/16/10 at 1:04 am to Doc Fenton
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The only reason you can even make this argument is because the SEC is down on that position at the moment, and so many QBs going into this fall are new and/or untested. Just going by the last 10 years, so far Jefferson has performed worse than your average QB in the conference.
Going by the last 10 years? He's playing now and it's easier to compare him to the QBs who are playing at the same time as him and against the same quality of defenses.
You can say the new/untested QB stuff about this coming season, but he was basically average last year (and he was almost a newcomer himself).
Still, if you look at the last 10 years, I bet his numbers would still be about average or better so far. His completion % is pretty good, TD to Int. ratio is good, rushing yards are above average, sack total is bad, 9-5 as a starter (three losses by 2 points or less and no loss by more than 10) with a 1-1 bowl record (and 1 MVP award for his first bowl victory).
Now, if he doesn't improve on the sacks and doesn't throw a little more down field, then he could lose confidence and become less than average in a hurry. But so far, I think he's been about average.
Posted on 8/16/10 at 1:06 am to Three 6 Italia
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at all the delusional idiots defending Jordan Jefferson. That guy is nothing but a waste of time. Dude needs about 30 minutes to read a defense. But of course we'll blame the o-line and everyone else when he takes a sack at the 50 after being in field goal range and when he spikes the ball with 1 second left in the game.
What's the alternative? Exactly...
Posted on 8/16/10 at 1:14 am to Big EZ Tiger
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What's the alternative? Exactly...
The alternative is what I said before. A guy who puts up better numbers, but may give up one pick 6 to the other team. Question I have always posed is do you want a pick 6 machine, that will give the opponent a td per game. But will also move our offense and put more points on the board. Or someone who has a hard time keeping our O on the field, not quite as many points, and does not throw a pick 6.
Posted on 8/16/10 at 1:21 am to bgtiger
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ETA: just watched JJ read a PSU defense and check with LaFell for our first TD.... after some personell changes on the OL.
Extremely rare occurrence and something he has to improve on.
Posted on 8/16/10 at 2:10 am to lsutigerfan1976
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The alternative is what I said before. A guy who puts up better numbers, but may give up one pick 6 to the other team. Question I have always posed is do you want a pick 6 machine, that will give the opponent a td per game. But will also move our offense and put more points on the board. Or someone who has a hard time keeping our O on the field, not quite as many points, and does not throw a pick 6.
Better numbers??? When? Please show me. I believe if you average out all of their starts and yards passing per start, the numbers are virtually identical. If you add in rushing yards, Jefferson clearly averages more yards per start than Jarrett Lee.
And recently, Jefferson has actually been much better than Lee. In their most recent six starts (which I feel is reasonable), here are the numbers:
Jarrett Lee / Jefferson
66/151 - 43% / 91/151 - 60%
7 TD / 10 TD
10 INT. / 4 INT.
156 pass yd/game / 191 pass yd./game
Has reached 200+ x 2 / Reached 200+ x 3
Under 100 twice / Under 100 - Zero
I know Lee didn't get a lot of time playing time last year, but pick 6s were not an issue. Accuracy was a gigantic issue when he did get his biggest opportunities.
So the pick 6 issue is not his only issue. That was his first year playing and I can forget about that. But he just hasn't shown improvement on the field when he has gotten his chances. If you watched the La. Tech game, we did not move the ball and were losing at half. Considering the level of defense we were playing, it was our worst passing performance of the year. Only seven completions...
If JJ doesn't do anything and we start losing control of things, J. Lee will probably get another shot. But he has to do something to prove that we should play him - not make things look worse. Otherwise, JJ is the QB.
This post was edited on 8/16/10 at 2:13 am
Posted on 8/16/10 at 2:18 am to Big EZ Tiger
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And recently, Jefferson has actually been much better than Lee. In their most recent six starts (which I feel is reasonable), here are the numbers:
Stats are sometimes meaningless. JJ has to get the chains moving and points on the scoreboard. Throwing the football 6 yards when you need 8 doesnt do anything but pad stats. He completed a lot of meaningless passes for yards that didn't move the chains. I like his upside, but people throwing his stats out really are not seeing the big picture.
He is and will be the starting QB, unless the offense bogs down again. Regardless of stats, you can bet some changes will take place if the chains are not moving. I think JJ is as talented as any QB in the conference, except for Mallett but its time to see him as a leader and driving force behind the offense.
Posted on 8/16/10 at 2:41 am to RogerTheShrubber
I agree with you that stats are sometimes meaningless.
But people saying Lee moves the chains and puts up bigger numbers are not seeing any part of the picture. It's not about me not seeing the bigger picture.
I'm just putting these up here to prove a point. Lee is not posting bigger numbers or moving the chains more than JJ.
I've been there for the last few years watching both of them. The La. Tech game is enough evidence by itself that JJ is still our best choice at QB at the moment. Those other games I listed just reinforce things.
And if we want to see JJ get better, we better have a running game that isn't 11th in the SEC and averaging almost 60 yards less than our passing game. Otherwise, I don't think we'll see that much difference. The OL, RBs and JJ need to get better. And hell, the WRs too because we had a ton of dropped balls last year.
But people saying Lee moves the chains and puts up bigger numbers are not seeing any part of the picture. It's not about me not seeing the bigger picture.
I'm just putting these up here to prove a point. Lee is not posting bigger numbers or moving the chains more than JJ.
I've been there for the last few years watching both of them. The La. Tech game is enough evidence by itself that JJ is still our best choice at QB at the moment. Those other games I listed just reinforce things.
And if we want to see JJ get better, we better have a running game that isn't 11th in the SEC and averaging almost 60 yards less than our passing game. Otherwise, I don't think we'll see that much difference. The OL, RBs and JJ need to get better. And hell, the WRs too because we had a ton of dropped balls last year.
Posted on 8/16/10 at 2:45 am to cardee2003
Seriously, this shite again? Its been said over, and over, and over again.
Posted on 8/16/10 at 3:02 am to Jcorye1
Oh, that's just cause some people have apparently missed the last few seasons.
Let's talk about something new - is Les Miles on the hot seat? I'm not serious.
Let's talk about something new - is Les Miles on the hot seat? I'm not serious.
Posted on 8/16/10 at 3:06 am to Big EZ Tiger
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I'm not serious.
Sometimes you gotta spell it out like that, trust me.
Posted on 8/16/10 at 7:00 am to Big EZ Tiger
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Yeah, I don't really think he's below average. He's about an average QB in the SEC with all things considered so far. He also missed a game against a weak opponent when looking at numbers.
Last year, JJ was at least better than Snead at Ole Miss, State's QB, Kentucky's QB, Vandy's QB and Garcia at South Carolina.
JJ was probably about even with somebody like Cox at Georgia.
I think Crompton from Tenn. was a little better than JJ. He had about 100 more attempts than JJ. Still, I think he was a little better. McElroy was probably just a little better as well (though he had a hell of a running game behind him, so they are hard to compare). I think Chris Todd at Auburn was possibly a little better even though JJ outperformed him when we played and killed them.
Tebow & Mallet were clearly superior.
JJ's big issue is the amount of sacks. He has to improve that (and how long the sack losses are).
But I'd say JJ was right with that second tier of QBs last year in the SEC after Tebow/Mallet. He's much better than most with making plays with his feet as well.
+1
Posted on 8/16/10 at 7:18 am to jhamil25
JJ lacks peripheral vision. The ability to see the play develop before it does and makes the throw to the anticipated spot where the WR will be. In most cases this is especially important when a QB is being blitz and is under heavy pressure. I watch a lot of college replays this past week and did not see JJ make one throw using peripheral vision. If you watch the Bama/Texas NC game, you will see a freshmen QB make a peripheral vision throw for a TD as he got nailed from an inside blitz. He threw it before the receiver broke on the CB and before the safety could come over and assists. The play occurred in less than 3 seconds and under a full blitz and went for a TD. JJ does not make that play. 
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