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re: Kellen Moore v. JJ v. Tyrod Taylor
Posted on 9/7/10 at 12:21 pm to slackster
Posted on 9/7/10 at 12:21 pm to slackster
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I think JJ compares closer to them statistically than he does JR.
Flynn maybe in regards to yards only, but not Mauck in any category.
This post was edited on 9/7/10 at 12:22 pm
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Posted on 9/7/10 at 12:21 pm to Pianoman
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Decision making ability goes to JJ
like the decision to heave it up at the end of the half? or the decision to hang onto the ball a few beats longer to let RR get open rather than letting it go deep as he's beating his man?
there's more to decision making than just avoiding picks: like recognizing defenses; working through progressions; and getting rid of the ball instead of taking the sack.
I want JJ to be successful, but to say he does any of these things better than Moore is just dishonest.
This post was edited on 9/7/10 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 9/7/10 at 12:27 pm to WelcomeToDeathValley
quote:Do you remember the season?
Hell of a "game manager" and super efficient QB eh?
He was a gunslinger. . .through and through.
Posted on 9/7/10 at 12:51 pm to oilfieldtiger
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there's more to decision making than just avoiding picks: like recognizing defenses; working through progressions; and getting rid of the ball instead of taking the sack.
I understand all of that. Note the disclaimer I have at the end of the OP. For the 2010 LSU team, the most important decision making, IMHO, will be making safe, smart throws. JJ does that. Moore forces the ball. That is why I give JJ the nod.
I have already said, multiple times, that I would take Moore hands down if I am building my own team. However, in the situation at LSU, I simply feel like JJ is going to be more effective than Moore would be, in the long run.
Posted on 9/7/10 at 12:54 pm to Roaad
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Do you remember the season? He was a gunslinger. . .through and through.
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Hell of a "game manager" and super efficient QB eh?
I was agreeing with you, Flynn and Mauck were both gunslingers. People dont want to admit that on here though. I was being sarcastic with my game manager comment...
This post was edited on 9/7/10 at 12:56 pm
Posted on 9/7/10 at 1:04 pm to HuRRiCaNe MiLeS
I feel that Kellen Moore is a true Division I quarterback who could start anywhere in the SEC. I didn't believe that until last night. He also would not need a simplified offensive strategy to hide his weaknesses.
Posted on 9/7/10 at 1:25 pm to tigadog
Kellen Moore 23/38 215 60.5 5.66 3/0 134.1
Jordan Jefferson 15/21 151 71.4 7.19 2/1 153.7
Suck it. BTW, UNC, even with the suspensions, fielded a better defense than what VaTech put on the field.
Jordan Jefferson 15/21 151 71.4 7.19 2/1 153.7
Suck it. BTW, UNC, even with the suspensions, fielded a better defense than what VaTech put on the field.
Posted on 9/7/10 at 1:42 pm to slackster
"SUCK IT"
This makes your opinion about the Virginia Tech Defense being weaker than North Carolina's even more creditable.
This makes your opinion about the Virginia Tech Defense being weaker than North Carolina's even more creditable.
Posted on 9/7/10 at 3:03 pm to slackster
quote:I think that is probably true. . .but we played into UNC's hands.
BTW, UNC, even with the suspensions, fielded a better defense than what VaTech put on the field.
Our offense coaches just quit trying in the second half.
Posted on 9/7/10 at 3:10 pm to Roaad
I was impressed with Tyrod. A lot of good Qb's this year: TT, KM, Ryan Katz, Denard Robinson, and of course Locker, Ponder, Mallet, and Harris.
Posted on 9/7/10 at 3:10 pm to slackster
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Decision making ability goes to JJ.
HAHAHAH
:lol: #1 theres a reason you are not a scout
#2 your mom must ok drank alot when u were in the womb
especially after this past game against UNC
DO you not remember the pick he threw and that intentional grounding play
even JJ himself would laugh at you
I'd even go as far to say that JJ himself is also smarter than you
Posted on 9/7/10 at 3:29 pm to berryNation
Ask anyone with football knowledge, and they will tell you that the defense for UNC was more talented than what Va0tech put on the field. VaTech returned 4 starters. UNC had 4 guys that will go in the first three rounds in their front 7 Saturday.
Also, if any poster would read the damn thread before posting, they would understand the context with which I am evaluating the game. Moore is a great QB for alot of systems, however in 2010, Jefferson's conservative approach is all we need to win. Ot saying that Moore is a terrible decision maker, but rather his aggressive decisions would not complement our offense this year.
Also, if any poster would read the damn thread before posting, they would understand the context with which I am evaluating the game. Moore is a great QB for alot of systems, however in 2010, Jefferson's conservative approach is all we need to win. Ot saying that Moore is a terrible decision maker, but rather his aggressive decisions would not complement our offense this year.
Posted on 9/7/10 at 3:43 pm to slackster
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Jefferson's conservative approach is all we need to win.
Alright I get it you are fine with our football team being JUST OK.....I want us to be great son.
Posted on 9/7/10 at 3:47 pm to slackster
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Ask anyone with football knowledge, and they will tell you that the defense for UNC was more talented than what Va0tech put on the field. VaTech returned 4 starters. UNC had 4 guys that will go in the first three rounds in their front 7 Saturday.
UNC might have had more NFL talent on its defense but Virginia Tech has proven over and over that it reloads under Foster. In addition, UNC's secondary was about as green as humanly possible and these were guys who weren't even getting starters reps until a week ago as opposed to Virginia Tech's new players who had starters' reps all summer long.
It's a push as too which team fielded the better defense. Do you think it's also a push as to who had the better skill players to throw to? Let's see, Jefferson had three 5 stars at WR, next subject.
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Moore is a great QB for alot of systems, however in 2010, Jefferson's conservative approach is all we need to win. Ot saying that Moore is a terrible decision maker, but rather his aggressive decisions would not complement our offense this year.
You keep emphasizing Jefferson's conservative approach and Moore's aggressive approach without bringing up any facts whatsover to establish its credibility. Fact, Moore threw substantially more TDs than Jefferson with substantially less INTs. Quit trying to insinuate that being an elite QB who orchestrates a well-oiled machine of an offense is inately synonymous with being an aggressive, error-prone QB. And stop trying to say that mediocrity and indecision equals some sort of conservative, cerebral veteran who plays for the greater good of the team.
Let me guess, if you're the Baltimore Ravens from 2000, you'd rather Trent Dilfer over Peyton Manning. Do you not think Peyton/Moore could tone down their "gunslinging" style if need be?
Also, since I've pointed out Moore's ability to make excellent decisions with the ball that lead to numerous touchdowns and very few INTs, why exactly would you want to tone this "gunslinger" style down? Do you think there's some inate requirement to restrict a team's passing game if they are to have a dominant running game? Do you just like close games? Can a team not be dominant in special teams, defense, running the ball and passing the ball?
Maybe you should check the Saints' rushing numbers from this past year. If LSU had Moore and teams had to genuinely respect our passing game, we'd run for 250 a game.
Posted on 9/7/10 at 3:52 pm to FootballNostradamus
Too much truth not enought spin....I think my head is about to explode
Posted on 9/7/10 at 7:13 pm to FootballNostradamus
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Moore is a great QB for alot of systems, however in 2010, Jefferson's conservative approach is all we need to win. Ot saying that Moore is a terrible decision maker, but rather his aggressive decisions would not complement our offense this year.
Jefferson does not choose to be conservative with the ball, and Moore does not choose to be agressive, It is their O coordinators.
Crowton doesnt want jefferson to throw any picks or make any mistakes which is why he calls convservative plays. Boise's offense is agressive and calls upon Moore to throw down field alot and spread the ball around.
As far as Moore playing in LSU offanse, i kinda see what your saying, but the fact is that if we had Moore we would be throwing downfield alot more.
And no matter what you say JJ is not a better decision maker than Moore. This has been proven countless times. JJ even manages to do incredibly dumb things despite Crowtons conservative approach
Posted on 9/7/10 at 7:35 pm to FootballNostradamus
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FootballNostradamus
Touche'.
That is how a debate on this board should go.
Now, how they usually go is...
"Your opinion is not the same as my opinion, therefore you are a(n) _____!"
Nicely done. However, I think you have to discount some of Moore's statistics and JJ's as well because of the role that each has within the confines of the entire team. Moore is expected to win every game for Boise. JJ is obviously not. So a direct comparison of stats is meaningless.
However, since it is 2010, and not 2009, let us look at the small body of work each has accomplished. In that body of work, I see that JJ has a better rating than Moore. Substantially better, in fact. Against relatively equal defenses, which we have both agreed on.
JJ took less sacks, was more accurate, had a greater YPA, and was significantly more accurate, and had more rushing yards. He threw 1 int and had 1 less TD, but that is accounted for in his QB rating, which is still substantially higher than Moore's.
So far in 2010, you are still going to argue that Moore is a better fit at LSU than JJ?
Posted on 9/7/10 at 7:42 pm to Roaad
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He was a gunslinger
I think you're getting gunslinger confused with someone that actually throws the ball to make a first down.
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