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re: Les Miles being treated unfairly?
Posted on 7/15/10 at 5:49 pm to Hitchcock
Posted on 7/15/10 at 5:49 pm to Hitchcock
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not understanding what that has to do with the 2008 troy being a better team than their 2004 team.
You laughed at me owning a KIA!!! So I responded. Get your facts straight before YOU frick WITH ME LITTLE BOY!!!!!!
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Posted on 7/15/10 at 5:51 pm to dukke v
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OK!!! Kentucky on the road>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Troy at HOME!!!
Okay. So, 2002 VT at Blacksburg versus 2007 VT in TS is worth a 70+ point flip?
Posted on 7/15/10 at 5:55 pm to Ace Midnight
2007 win over VT and the NCG win over OSUn were Les Miles highlight moments at LSU and really cannot be demeaned.
He simply doesn't have the same program since. If he can duplicate the early years again, this thread would be moot.
He simply doesn't have the same program since. If he can duplicate the early years again, this thread would be moot.
Posted on 7/15/10 at 5:56 pm to Ace Midnight
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Okay. So, 2002 VT at Blacksburg versus 2007 VT in TS is worth a 70+ point flip
1st start for Mauck compared to 2nd start for flynn???? LSU got outplayed in 2002. And LSU beat Va Tech soundly in 2007. But this thread is about Miles being treated bad. I am NOT happy with the results. We have NOT done as good as we should be since 2007. If he changes it and we win say 10 games this year, I will change my stance. Its a tough schedule.
Posted on 7/15/10 at 5:58 pm to dukke v
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But this thread is about Miles being treated bad. I am NOT happy with the results. We have NOT done as good as we should be since 2007
Would you be happy if we had the Miles back from 2005-2007? You just don't like the current version of Miles, right?
(ETA - The 2002 VT finished 4th in their conference. The 2007 team won their conference.)
This post was edited on 7/15/10 at 5:59 pm
Posted on 7/15/10 at 5:59 pm to Ace Midnight
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To put it another way, I want to look good if we lose, but I would rather win ugly than lose pretty.
sounds so familiar LINK [/link
Posted on 7/15/10 at 6:02 pm to Ace Midnight
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You just don't like the current version of Miles, right?
DO YOU????????
Posted on 7/15/10 at 6:05 pm to dukke v
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DO YOU????????
No, but I wasn't crazy about 2002 Saban, either.
Posted on 7/15/10 at 6:09 pm to Ace Midnight
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No, but I wasn't crazy about 2002 Saban, either.
None of us were, but Saban was building at that point. Had Saban at LSU lost five in '04, four in '05 the fans would not think nearly as high of him now as they do.
Posted on 7/15/10 at 6:13 pm to dukke v
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You laughed at me owning a KIA!!! So I responded. Get your facts straight before YOU frick WITH ME LITTLE BOY!!!!!!
don't try to play a playa
Posted on 7/15/10 at 6:29 pm to Hitchcock
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don't try to play a playa
YOU are like a PIMPLE on my arse as far as this topic goes!!!
Posted on 7/15/10 at 6:31 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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None of us were, but Saban was building at that point. Had Saban at LSU lost five in '04, four in '05 the fans would not think nearly as high of him now as they do.
But I don't completely understand this - Saban went UP, down, UP, down his last four seasons.
There is not a measurable difference between the two tenures. Saban didn't start "slow" because the cupboard was bare - he hadn't settled in, and he LIKE EVERY OTHER PERSON has bad games. The UAB game is the big thorn. That's the only game, seriously that LSU should have won his first two years, that he didn't win (and there is no excuse - the team just wasn't ready to play. It was talent differential alone that even made it close). The comparable game in 2005 was the Tennessee game. We played well enough to win it, but just didn't get it done. Katrina is a valid reason, but it is also a reason the team should have dug down for one more stop.
Now, 2001 was a great year. However, the Florida game wasn't close, and Ole Miss didn't have any real trouble from us down the stretch. But, hats off - great team.
2006 was better. Getting robbed at Auburn notwithstanding - still one play from a West title, and an outside chance in a hypothetical rematch with Florida. Maybe it would have ended up the same way, but a great season. Miles did an outstanding job. The Florida game was much closer than in 2001.
2002 was terrible. The Sabanistas like to dismiss this year, but the third year of Saban's system should not have dipped two games. And he was literally a f*cking miracle and 2 points against Ole Miss away from losing the last 5 games (actually not true, because we wouldn't even have faced Texas at that point) and having a losing f*cking season (on paper).
Miles didn't dip in his 3rd year, but rather had Saban's 4th year a year early. And, yes, we didn't lose in regulation, though the two 3OT losses hurt as bad or worse as the 19-7 loss to Florida at home in 2003.
2003 was a great year, Florida notwithstanding, one for the ages.
2008 was to Miles what 2002 was to Saban - just one year rearranged. In the grand scheme of things, we weren't close to losing as many games as we were in 2002. Tough to take coming off a BCS championship, but it is what it is.
2009 was to Miles what 2004 was to Saban. Same record. Couple of late game meltdowns. The Cap One was no better or worse coaching job than the Magnolia Meltdown.
So, timing is everything, as they say....
The trend will either continue (8 or fewer wins in 2010), be broken (10 wins or more, no matter how ugly), or tied (9 wins, depending on the subjective "prettiness" may or may not make some Sabanistas come around).
The good news is that this, like many great and important questions, will be settled on the football field.
Assuming LSU loses to Bama, Florida, Florida in the rematch, and a big league team in a bowl, will a 10-4 record satisfy you that the trend is broken? (What if 3 or 4 of these games are very close, and nothing approaching a Magnolia Meltdown occurs - just get outexecuted?)
Posted on 7/15/10 at 6:38 pm to dukke v
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YOU are like a PIMPLE on my arse as far as this topic goes!!
rocket did mention your mental condition
Posted on 7/15/10 at 6:47 pm to Ace Midnight
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don't completely understand this - Saban went UP, down, UP, down his last four seasons.
Time to go to school!!!!!!!!
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Now, 2001 was a great year. However, the Florida game wasn't close, and Ole Miss didn't have any real trouble from us down the stretch. But, hats off - great team.
2006 was better. Getting robbed at Auburn notwithstanding - still one play from a West title, and an outside chance in a hypothetical rematch with Florida. Maybe it would have ended up the same way, but a great season. Miles did an outstanding job. The Florida game was much closer than in 2001.
2001 was a better team than 2006 IMO. The 2001 team WOULD have beaten Miami.IMO.
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2002 was terrible. The Sabanistas like to dismiss this year, but the third year of Saban's system should not have dipped two games. And he was literally a f*cking miracle and 2 points against Ole Miss away from losing the last 5 games (actually not true, because we wouldn't even have faced Texas at that point) and having a losing f*cking season (on paper).
This is bullshite. If Mauck doesn't get hurt!! LSU has a shot at the NC game.
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2008 was to Miles what 2002 was to Saban - just one year rearranged. In the grand scheme of things, we weren't close to losing as many games as we were in 2002. Tough to take coming off a BCS championship, but it is what it is
TOTAL MILES fail with the CO-DC'S. Thats on Miles. The offense with Lee may have had some PICK 6 isssues but DID avg 31 ppg and If Miles would have grown a pair and done the right thing. LSU would NOT have been as bad in 2008.
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2009 was to Miles what 2004 was to Saban. Same record. Couple of late game meltdowns. The Cap One was no better or worse coaching job than the Magnolia Meltdown.
REALLY?????????
Posted on 7/15/10 at 6:50 pm to Ace Midnight
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No, but I wasn't crazy about 2002 Saban, either.
He should not have had Mauck in being up so much AT FLA. Agreed. But that was the reason the season went to shite.
Posted on 7/15/10 at 6:57 pm to dukke v
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He should not have had Mauck in being up so much AT FLA. Agreed. But that was the reason the season went to shite.
The trend line will tell...
Posted on 7/15/10 at 7:03 pm to dukke v
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He should not have had Mauck in being up so much AT FLA. Agreed. But that was the reason the season went to shite.
was mauck was playing defense?
Posted on 7/15/10 at 7:03 pm to dukke v
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He should not have had Mauck in being up so much AT FLA. Agreed.
That is just hindsight talking. Teams keep their starters in under those circumstances all the time. Miles did it twice last year, and the only reason it wasn't more was that that was the only times we had a lead that big. He did it against Virginia Tech in 2007 and even got his starting QB hurt because of it. And that, honestly, is not one of the things I criticize him (or Saban) for. Especially because, in all of the Miles examples, and also in the UF 2002 example, we had a first year starter at QB who needed the reps.
Posted on 7/15/10 at 7:07 pm to Hitchcock
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was mauck was playing defense?
Good point. The 2002 season went to shite for a combination of reasons. Damien James quitting the week of the Auburn game, two of our big DLs getting hurt, and the fact that Randall, Mauck's backup, had missed all of summer and most of fall practice with an injury, so he hadn't had a chance to develop and get better before the season started.
Of course, it also wasn't coincidence that all of the teams that beat us in 2002, save maybe Arkansas (who only beat us on a miracle of their own, but did win the SEC West), were very good teams.
Posted on 7/15/10 at 7:07 pm to Hitchcock
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was mauck was playing defense?
WHAT????? This is 2002. DUMBASS. LSU WON 36-7!! You need to leave.
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