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re: Les Miles question.........a simple up or down answer
Posted on 3/17/10 at 1:28 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 3/17/10 at 1:28 pm to SlowFlowPro
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the fact that you even think it's a possibility shows that you're either (1) lying to save face or (2) batshit crazy
Didn't Tebow & the short kid...Chris Leak play as True freshman? And Billy Gonzales was at Florida then, correct? He's a passoing Coordinator..hmm.
Saving face on the Rant? Seriously? That's on my list of things to do up there with...getting laid by a 200 lbs fat chick.
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i'm wondering why you brought up a true freshman QB as an answer to our offensive problems....books brought up our QB/OL coaching issues from last year, and said that we made no coaching improvements there
No. Books was posting as if the staff wasn't doing anythong about QB play. Of course I deduct from his opinion the Mike Scarberry factor. Mike Ford is "Injury prone" you know..broken collarbone makes an RB injury prone on Rivals. And Jerry Rice our next WR coach...Uh..
IF Lee doesn't sign MLB, it'll he was a High risk/High reward prospect. Kid can really play.
This post was edited on 3/17/10 at 1:40 pm
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Posted on 3/17/10 at 1:30 pm to TiegerTim
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Well, we did have a back-up plan...Jarrett Lee and Andrew Hatch
a red-shirt freshman as a back-up plan??? thats as bad a judgement as Less time mis-management...
But how can you blame Miles for that?! The QB position was thin because Saban didn't sign one in '04 (as far as I remember) and didn't have one ready to sign in '05. (Thank God Miles was able to get Perrilloux to switch from Texas, or we would have been in even worse shape.)
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we have continued to sign QBs in every class since
what QB was signed the year after we signed RP?
Uh...I thought that was Jarrett Lee, but I guess he signed in '07. (He redshirted in '07 and was a redshirt freshman in '08.) So, I might have been wrong when I said "every year." Still, it would have been nice to have an upperclassman ready to take over when Perrilloux imploded, and the fact we didn't have someone like that was Saban's fault.
This post was edited on 3/17/10 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 3/17/10 at 1:40 pm to TigerCard
quote:he's the CEO, he gets the blame...
But how can you blame Miles for that?!
He know RP was a character risk.. he should have been signing at a minimum one QB per class... probably more...
quote:and here we are in 2010 still with QB issues..... or at least we were last year. this year? who knows...
The QB position was thin because Saban didn't sign one in '04 (as far as I remember) and didn't have one ready to sign in '05. (Thank God Miles was able to get Perrilloux to switch from Texas, or we would have been in even worse shape.)
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I don't remember if we signed a QB in '07
quote:that was just like not brining in a QB.....
but we did bring in Andrew Hatch that year.
I do remember there was one year that he didn't bring in a QB, I forget what year it was though...
Posted on 3/17/10 at 1:42 pm to Sammich
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Didn't Tebow & the short kid...Chris Leak play as True freshman?
tebow was a backup QB and a glorified FB
UF didn't win much leak's freshman year
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And Billy Gonzales was at Florida then, correct? He's a passoing Coordinator..hmm.
billy gonzalez was not around for leak's freshman year. tebow didn't start as a freshman
and billy gonzalez is our "passing game coordinator" and he's coming from an option system with a basic passing scheme
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Books was posting as if the staff wasn't doing anythong about QB play.
recruiting a true freshman QB isn't going to do anything for 2010. he was talking about now, not 3 years from now
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Kid can really play.
and years down the road, we may get to see him play at LSU. he's 4th string right now
Posted on 3/17/10 at 1:43 pm to TigerCard
quote:WAIT... 4 seasons after he was gone, Saban get the fault for 2008...
the fact we didn't have someone like that was Saban's fault.
if he gets the blame for the 2008 season, then he needs to get the credit for the 2007 season... can't have it both ways....
Posted on 3/17/10 at 1:45 pm to SlowFlowPro
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all 3 came with the 12-game schedule
Hmm..Let's think about that LSU Won the SECCG in 2001 (With DiNardo players) & a 5-3 SEC record. Miles took LSU to the SECCG in year 1 & lost to Georgia in 2005. One finished 10-3 #7/#8 in the Nation. The other 11-2 ranked #5/#6 in the Nation. Both played 13 games...correct?
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had LSU had the 12-game regular season schedule for 116 years, we would have had PLENTY more 10-win seasons
Coulda, Shoulda, Woulda, Honestly why didn't we? LSU has 10 Ten or more win seasons. Michigan for example, has 25 Ten or more win seasons.
LSU Firing coaches roughly every 4 years doesn't seem to be helping a whole helluva lot.
Posted on 3/17/10 at 1:55 pm to Sammich
LSU STANDARDS BETTER BE HIGH = BECAUSE THEIR TICKETS SURE ARE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted on 3/17/10 at 1:56 pm to TheBaker
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don't let the kool-aid drinking Milestown followers convince you to take a sip of the shite they're consuming. you, like myself, can actually look with logic at the current state of LSU football and not deny what we've observed.
Posted on 3/17/10 at 1:57 pm to TiegerTim
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But how can you blame Miles for that?!
he's the CEO, he gets the blame...
He know RP was a character risk.. he should have been signing at a minimum one QB per class... probably more...
Miles came in in January of '05. He was able to sign one of the best QBs on the board in the short time he was here, so I would say he did all he could in the short amount of time he was here. In retrospect, he sould have signed someone in '06, but at the time we had Matt Flynn and Perrilloux on the roster. I'm sure Miles thought he was set and could bring in another QB in '07 (which he did...Jarrett Lee) and have him groomed and ready when Perrilloux left. Besides that, how many good HS QBs would be chomping at the bit to sign with LSU in '06 with Perrilloux virtually set to be the starter for the next three years. I'm sure Miles thought that Perrilloux would mature into the role. Oops... He made a mistake on Perrilloux, but it happens, even to the best coaches, teachers, and bosses. Character evaluation is not a science and sometimes people (and especially kids) just surprise you, either pleasantly or unpleasantly. So, yes, technically, you can say it was Miles' fault because "he was in charge." But he didn't do anything in his recruiting for the QB position that most other coaches wouldn't have done.
Posted on 3/17/10 at 2:01 pm to XbengalTiger
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the SEC is a much better conference now than when Saban was at LSU
Not really. As reflected by final rankings, the SEC has stayed pretty consistently the same since 2001.
SEC teams in the top 25 final polls, 2001-2009 (LSU finish in bold and underlined):
2009: #1, #3, #17, #20/21--4 total, 2 top 5, 4 top 20
2008: #1, #6, #10/13, #14/15--4 total, 1 top 5, 2 top 10, 4 top 15
2007: #1, #2/3, #12, #13/16, #14/15--5 total, 2 top 5, 3 top 15
2006: #1, #3, #8/9, #15/16, #23/25, #23/UR--6 total, 2 top 5, 3 top 10, 4 top 15
2005: #5, #8, #10, #12/16, #14--5 total, 1 top 5, 3 top 10, 5 top 15
2004: #2, #6/7, #13/15, #16--4 total, 1 top 5, 2 top 10, 3 top 15, 4 top 20
2003: #1/2, #6/7, #13/14, #15/16, #24/25--5 total, 1 top 5, 2 top 10, 4 top 15
2002: #3, #11*, #14/16, #24/UR--4 total, 1 top 5, 3 top 15
2001: #3, #4, #7/8, #13, #22/25--5 total, 2 top 5, 3 top 10, 4 top 15
(*=Alabama ineligible to be ranked in coaches due to probation, AP rank used)
Scoring them on a point system (25 pts for #1, 24 for #2, etc., averages used when team finished in different spots in the two major polls):
2009: 25 + 23 + 9 + 5.5 = 62.5
2008: 25 + 20 + 14.5 + 11.5 = 71
2007: 25 + 23.5 + 14 + 11.5 + 11.5 = 85.5
2006: 25 + 23 + 17.5 + 10.5 + 2 + 1.5 = 79.5
2005: 21 + 18 + 16 + 12 + 12 = 79
2004: 24 + 19.5 + 12 + 10 = 65.5
2003: 24.5 + 19.5 + 12.5 + 10.5 + 1.5 = 68.5
2002: 23 + 15 + 11 + 1 = 50
2001: 23 + 22 + 18.5 + 13 + 2.5 = 79
So, both in terms of the number of SEC teams ranked in the final polls, and the total poll points for those teams, the SEC has been pretty much consistent for the entire period, save maybe for the unusually low poll point total in 2002. More specifically to the point of the last two years, 2008 and 2009 ranked 5th and 8th, respectively, among the nine years in question in terms of poll points, and in a 4-way tie for 6th (and last) in terms of number of teams finishing ranked. The SEC is not significantly tougher now than it was earlier in this decade. 2006 (most teams ranked) and 2007 (most poll points) are the only years for which that argument can be made with any validity. In fact, over the last two years, a strong argument can be made that it has been weaker than usual.
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The division races are no longer 2 team races
True. Now they are 1-team races.
Posted on 3/17/10 at 2:05 pm to TiegerTim
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the fact we didn't have someone like that was Saban's fault.
WAIT... 4 seasons after he was gone, Saban get the fault for 2008...
if he gets the blame for the 2008 season, then he needs to get the credit for the 2007 season... can't have it both ways...
When you're talking about recruiting, yes indeed, things that happened three or fours years earlier have an effect. Surely you realize that. I will say, however, that I might have been a little too harsh on Saban. He signed JaMarcus and Matt Flynn in '03, so I guess it made some sense that he didn't sign a QB in '04. (Just like it made some sense that Miles didn't sign one in '06.) But what puzzles me is why he didn't seem to be recruiting a QB for the '05 class. Once again, remember that if Miles had not been able to steal Perrilloux from Texas, we wouldn't have had a QB in that class.
(And I'm not trying to "have it both ways." Saban's recruiting was a BIG reason we won the NC in '07. No sensible person would deny that. But the development of those players into a championship team happened on Miles's watch.)
Posted on 3/17/10 at 2:05 pm to Sammich
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had LSU had the 12-game regular season schedule for 116 years, we would have had PLENTY more 10-win seasons
Coulda, Shoulda, Woulda, Honestly why didn't we?
Because we played fewer games, dumbass. In 1969, we went 9-1. You honestly think that with 2 more regular season games plus a bowl game and a possible SEC CG (if it had been in effect then), they would not have won ONE more game? We have a boatload of 9-win seasons in years when we only played 10 or 11 regular season games and, at most, a bowl game. With the guarantee of 12 and the potential for 13 or 14 games a year, it's obviously much easier to win 10 games.
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Michigan for example, has 25 Ten or more win seasons.
Yes, Michigan has, historically, been more successful than LSU.
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LSU Firing coaches roughly every 4 years doesn't seem to be helping a whole helluva lot.
Name one firing of a coach that ended up hurting LSU football. One.
Posted on 3/17/10 at 2:07 pm to SlowFlowPro
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tebow was a backup QB and a glorified FB
UF didn't win much leak's freshman year
Didn't Leak coached by Ron Zook beat Saban's disputed National Championship team in Tiger Stadium in 2003?
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billy gonzalez was not around for leak's freshman year. tebow didn't start as a freshman
Tebow threw 2 passes or 36 yards & 2 TDs. Leak the starter threw 0 TDs.
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recruiting a true freshman QB isn't going to do anything for 2010. he was talking about now, not 3 years from now
And what's the answer? Should Big Les have been out cruising the Juco's like Maximus cruises playgrounds? The lower level SEC teams this. Or do we go with the Jefferson & Garrett & possibly Zack Lee? What options were available for 2010 exactly?
quote:This is said every year. Rememeber this one: "Yeah I like Jefferson pickup. He'll be good QB after Perrilloux is in the NFL". I remember it very well.
and years down the road, we may get to see him play at LSU. he's 4th string right now
Posted on 3/17/10 at 2:52 pm to LSUdm21
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Since then he's turned in two less than stellar years by LSU standards so I'd say the last two years are down from his 1st year. It's not always black and white homey
Exactly
Posted on 3/17/10 at 2:55 pm to Nuts4LSU
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Because we played fewer games, dumbass
So did other all the other colleges.
quote:Have you ever actually looked at the records of those 9 teams LSU beat in 1969?
n 1969, we went 9-1. You honestly think that with 2 more regular season games plus a bowl game and a possible SEC CG (if it had been in effect then), they would not have won ONE more game?
LSU Schedule 1969:
Texas A&M 3-7
Rice 3-7
Baylor 0-10
Miami 4-6
Kentucky 2-8
Auburn 8-3
Mississippi 8-3 *Loss
Alabama 6-5
Mississippi St. 3-7
Tulane 3-7
Not exactly a thrilling number of high win oppnents. 3 teams with winning records, and we lost one of them. Would LSU have beaten a Quality Bowl Opponent? I don't know. Maybe someone a lot older than I am, can give an honest opinion. I do know we didn't win the SEC Championship that year.
This post was edited on 3/17/10 at 6:51 pm
Posted on 3/17/10 at 2:57 pm to Ray Ray Rodman
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Posted on 3/17/10 at 2:59 pm to Sammich
I was answering the OP question.
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Posted on 3/17/10 at 3:02 pm to Ray Ray Rodman
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Posted on 3/17/10 at 3:03 pm to Sammich
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Posted on 3/17/10 at 3:04 pm to TigerCard
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In retrospect, he sould have signed someone in '06, but at the time we had Matt Flynn and Perrilloux on the roster. I'm sure Miles thought he was set and could bring in another QB in '07
actually
he recruited alex cate
then for some insane reason he thought he could get tebow, ignored cate, and cate went to OSU
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