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re: Les Miles question.........a simple up or down answer
Posted on 3/17/10 at 6:55 pm to Sammich
Posted on 3/17/10 at 6:55 pm to Sammich
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I'll find a link to Miles with less than 2 losses, if you tell me Saban won more games than Miles &/or lost less.
In a season, he did, in 2003. As for overall, no, he didn't, although Les will pass him in losses (only needs 2) and drop below him in winning percentage (has to go 9-4 to avoid it) this year. Unfortunately for Saban, and unlike Miles, he had to build the program at LSU instead of inheriting it in turnkey condition. Even with that disadvantage, however, the winning percentages are very close. Then, after going to Alabama where he had to build ANOTHER program, he's posted a better record than Miles has at LSU, either overall OR during the same 3-year period. Whatever relevance you place on comparing Miles to Saban, any attempt to cast Miles as even close to the same caliber of coach is just ridiculous.
This post was edited on 3/17/10 at 7:39 pm
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Posted on 3/17/10 at 6:56 pm to Sammich
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Please explain the exact scenario of LSU playing 14 games. You've mentioned this often, so what exactly does LSU have to do to play 14 games in 1 season?
Win the SEC West.
Posted on 3/17/10 at 7:04 pm to Nuts4LSU
he was up with fisher and petrino developing the players, down ever since.
I think we'll be back up with Brick and Chavis on the Defensive side and BG and FW on the Offensive side
I think we'll be back up with Brick and Chavis on the Defensive side and BG and FW on the Offensive side
Posted on 3/17/10 at 7:24 pm to the LSUSaint
up
Posted on 3/17/10 at 7:35 pm to Nuts4LSU
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Win the SEC West.
And you see this as a likely scenario "IF only we had another coach" every year?
Posted on 3/17/10 at 7:36 pm to tigahslawyer
When did petrino coach under him?
Give me a break.
Give me a break.
Posted on 3/17/10 at 7:37 pm to Sammich
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And you see this as a likely scenario "IF only we had another coach" every year?
Irrelevant to the point, but no, winning it every year is not likely. Winning it as often as anyone else is entirely realistic, but not with Miles as coach.
Posted on 3/17/10 at 7:37 pm to ironsides
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When did petrino coach under him?
Give me a break.
I think he meant Pelini.
Posted on 3/17/10 at 7:45 pm to Nuts4LSU
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As for overall, no, he didn't, although Les will pass him in losses and drop below him in winning percentage this year.
Obama mathmatics...fuzzy & unsound.
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Unfortunately for Saban, and unlike Miles, he had to build the program at LSU instead of inheriting it in turnkey condition
This was discusse din the DiNardo thread.
quote:I look at Total Number of Wins & Losses each had in 5 years.
Whatever relevance you place on comparing Miles to Saban, any attempt to cast Miles as even close to the same caliber of coach is just ridiculous.
Miles 51-15
Saban 48-16
I see Saban & his Two 8 win subpar seasons & it's not comparable to what Miles has done at LSU. Of course you are completely blinded by having your NC Cherry popped by Saban.
This post was edited on 3/17/10 at 7:46 pm
Posted on 3/17/10 at 7:54 pm to Nuts4LSU
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Irrelevant to the point, but no, winning it every year is not likely. Winning it as often as anyone else is entirely realistic, but not with Miles as coach.
Oh of course not it's just "That Damn Les Miles". Then when he's at Mihcigan or wherever & this doesn't happen with brand new coach X, who will you blame? You can live off the "Well, X had to fix what Miles ruined!" for maybe 3 years. After that it's about a 26-28 year process, that Bama is still going through.
You could write a Book in the Meantime: "In search of the next Bear Bryant..er Saban"
This post was edited on 3/17/10 at 7:57 pm
Posted on 3/17/10 at 8:57 pm to the LSUSaint
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Is the program in better shape (UP) or worse shape (DOWN) since he arrived. I am not being negative or positive.
Is "APPROXIMATELY THE SAME" a valid answer to your question?
Posted on 3/17/10 at 10:20 pm to the LSUSaint
i go with up. Last season sucked but overall the state of the program is strong.
Posted on 3/17/10 at 10:24 pm to Camp Randall
up 
Posted on 3/17/10 at 10:28 pm to the LSUSaint
up
Posted on 3/17/10 at 10:32 pm to Jdawgz
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Saban is not my boy. I can't ever recall mentioning him or comparing Les to him.
You didn't have to. Everybody else already has.
Posted on 3/17/10 at 10:45 pm to Nuts4LSU
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Winning it as often as anyone else is entirely realistic, but not with Miles as coach.
Since Miles has been here, no team has won the west more times than LSU and only Fla has won a Div more times than LSU, clown.
Posted on 3/17/10 at 11:37 pm to Tigerdandy
Up.
Posted on 3/18/10 at 8:23 am to Sammich
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see Saban & his Two 8 win subpar seasons & it's not comparable to what Miles has done at LSU. Of course you are completely blinded by having your NC Cherry popped by Saban.
years 1-3 under Saban = 26 wins 12 losses
years 1-3 under Miles = 34 wins 6 losses
Saban took over a program and team which suffered two consecutive losing seasons. Miles took over a program (which Saban built) loaded with experienced talent and coming off of two straight major bowl games, including a BCS championship.
years 4 and 5 under Saban = 22 wins 4 losses
years 4 and 5 under Miles = 17 wins 9 losses
Saban is just 4 wins away from eclipsing his first 3 years win total, while Miles isn't even close. not to mention, Miles more than doubles Saban's final two years loss total in the same timespan.
since you are so big on total wins, tell me what coach benefited from the program he inherited opposed to the program he built himself. secondly, which coach had the better final 2 years of their respective first 5 year timespan? lastly (and this will help you with the previous question), do you understand the difference between ascending and descending?
BONUS QUESTION: what coach made a complete fool of himself, his team, and his university on NATIONAL FREAKING TELEVISION and was mocked several weeks after by nearly every national sports media outlet??
Posted on 3/18/10 at 9:43 am to Sammich
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Obama mathmatics...fuzzy & unsound.
With 2 losses this year, Miles will have more losses than Saban at LSU. If he does not go at least 9-4 this year, he will drop below Saban in winning percentage at LSU.
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This was discusse din the DiNardo thread.
No, it wasn't. The condition of the program when Saban left it to Miles was FAR superior to when Saban inherited it from DiNardo.
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I look at Total Number of Wins & Losses each had in 5 years.
Miles 51-15
Saban 48-16
Yes, because you aren't smart enough to look past the superficial surface and realize the almost infinite difference in the quality of the program when each took over. That's why you probably would have thought Mike Archer was a great coach, too, when he was 18-5-1 with an SEC title and a top 5 finish in his first two years, but anybody with sense knew he was just riding Arnsparger's coattails and would run the program into the ground, just like Miles is doing, albeit more slowly and from a higher starting point.
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I see Saban & his Two 8 win subpar seasons
The 2000 season's 8 wins were more than our two previous seasons combined, which was the mess he inherited. That was subpar? The 8-win season of 2002 was followed up by a 13-1 national championship season the very next year, not another lackluster year like Miles had after his 8-win season in 2008.
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it's not comparable to what Miles has done at LSU.
We finally agree on something. Saban's and Miles' performances at LSU are not comparable.
Posted on 3/18/10 at 9:48 am to Tigerdandy
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Since Miles has been here, no team has won the west more times than LSU and only Fla has won a Div more times than LSU, clown.
A product of his luck in inheriting the best program in the division, if not the entire conference. He'll never win another division title at LSU.
And since Saban has been at Alabama, they have won more division titles than LSU. He's won as many in three years as Miles has won in five.
Look, if you people are satisfied to be permanently relegated to playing for 2nd place behind Saban and Alabama, then why don't you take your piss-poor coach Les Miles and go to some other school with that mentality of mediocrity?
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