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re: Les Miles
Posted on 2/13/10 at 8:38 pm to Choctaw
Posted on 2/13/10 at 8:38 pm to Choctaw
quote:
blame the head coach instead looking deeper into the situation.
If the problem is "deeper into the situation", then Les Miles is in the best position to see it. If he doesn't fix it (which is, after all, his job, for which he is paid among the top 5 or so salaries in the country), HE is the problem.
The man in charge of the team didn't fix the problem after 2008, so he became the problem. Then, the man in charge of him didn't fix the problem after 2009, so now Alleva is the problem.
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Posted on 2/13/10 at 8:39 pm to Nuts4LSU
quote:
The man in charge of the team didn't fix the problem after 2008,
Chavis
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Then, the man in charge of him didn't fix the problem after 2009
yet to be seen
Posted on 2/13/10 at 8:45 pm to Nuts4LSU
quote:What?
The man in charge of the team didn't fix the problem after 2008
Posted on 2/13/10 at 9:07 pm to 31TIGERS
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If you want to talk about quality of players Miles recruited vs prick $aban, you're fighting a losing battle!! Look at recruiting class rankings and what the kids AND parents say about Miles vs the "assholish" stories about $aban!
(que the "college football is not for pu$$ies crowd in 3....2....1)
As far as i know, Saban has won 2 national championships. Saban has went undefeated in SEC twice in a row. If you are saying that Miles's recruiting classes are higher than Saban's then why is BAMA on top right now in CFB. If Miles is such a good coach then how come his best record at LSU is 10-2 with loaded talent.
But wait, aren't you comparing as to who has the better recruiting classes these past few years? Miles does right?
Miles last two seasons with higher recruiting classes 16-8.
Saban last two seasons with lower recruiter classes 24-0.
But hey, Miles is more loyal to recruits right?
Saban is an a-hole right?
Whose team looks more disciplined the last two years?
Sabans or Miles
Posted on 2/13/10 at 9:12 pm to Choctaw
quote:
Chavis
Are you saying Miles fixed the problems with our team from 2008 to 2009? Defense was a big problem in 2008, but it wasn't by any stretch our only one. Miles improved one problem with the team, but none of the others. He didn't fix things. So, he became the problem.
quote:
yet to be seen
No, we've already seen. The man in charge of Miles is Alleva. He did not fix the problem because the problem (Miles) is still here. So now, he (Alleva) is the problem.
Posted on 2/13/10 at 9:13 pm to That LSU Guy
quote:
What?
So, everything was fixed in 2009? Then why did we lose the West by three games and finish outside the top 15?
Posted on 2/13/10 at 9:17 pm to Choctaw
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Miles is not "hurting" LSU
By incompetently managing our football team and making it worse, he is hurting LSU.
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Miles isnt a "failing coach" that is "making the program worse"
When he got here, we were a strong program loaded with talent poised for a run of great seasons. Now, we are a skeleton of our former selves, with serious problems in several phases of our team. We go into 2010 not knowing if we have a quarterback, a good set of receivers, an offensive line or a defensive line. Hell, even our running back situation is not really all that solid. Are you seriously suggesting we went into 2005 with that many questions?
The program is in worse shape going into 2010 than it was going into 2005. Anybody who even thinks about disputing that is just not being honest.
This post was edited on 2/13/10 at 9:19 pm
Posted on 2/13/10 at 9:29 pm to CT09
quote:
Jefferson and Lee neither one is any better today. Than the day got there. To me that is coaching or lack of coaching.
Exactly. Or recruiting. Or talent evaluation. It's got to be one of them.
Compare to a real coach:
Pete Carroll recruits a QB named Matt Leinhart, spends two years developing him, and in year 3, he has a redshirt sophomore starter who is good enough to win a share of the national championship despite never having started a single game in his career before that.
Les Miles recruits a QB named Jarrett Lee, spends two years "developing" him, and year 3, he has a redshirt sophomore backup who isn't good enough to start for the 112th best offense in the country and can barely beat Louisiana Tech, despite spending most of the previous season as the regular starter.
Somewhere, Carroll did something right that Les Miles did terribly wrong. Whether it was evaluating talent before deciding whom to recruit, recruiting the talent he wanted, or developing the talent he recruited, Carroll did it and Miles didn't. End of story.
Posted on 2/13/10 at 9:41 pm to Nuts4LSU
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By incompetently managing our football team
Rightttttttttttt...
The best 5 yr period in the last 40 yrs of LSU football with West titles, SEC title, 3 straight top 5 yrs, 5 straight bowl games, the highest winning percentage in modern history, and another NC is "incompetently managing our football team".
There are probably bout 115 of the 120 FBC schools wishing they had been as ""incompetently" managed in the last 5 yrs, but carry on with you bitch fest.
Posted on 2/13/10 at 9:47 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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The best 5 yr period in the last 40 yrs of LSU football
No matter how many times you repeat this lie, it is still a lie.
Compare 2005 through 2009 to the following 5-year periods using winning percentage, championships, etc., whatever you want (as long as it's a tangible, determinable achievement):
2003-2007
2004-2008
{edited to remove reference to 1958-1962 as being more than 40 years ago}
How is 2005-2009 better than either of those, let alone both?
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West titles, SEC title, 3 straight top 5 yrs, 5 straight bowl games, the highest winning percentage in modern history, and another NC is "incompetently managing our football team".
Yes. Riding the coattails of a competent predecessor until all vestiges of his regime are gone, and winding up with a pile of crap when the team is finally all yours, is INCOMPETENTLY MANAGING OUR FOOTBALL TEAM.
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There are probably bout 115 of the 120 FBC schools wishing they had been as ""incompetently" managed in the last 5 yrs
I'll bet there aren't 50, let alone 115, FBS schools who would trade coaches with us right now if they could.
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carry on with you bitch fest.
As long as the problem remains...
This post was edited on 2/13/10 at 9:48 pm
Posted on 2/13/10 at 9:50 pm to Lonnie4LSU
quote:
Lonnie4LSU
What were your expectations going into the 2005 season?
What are your expectations going into the 2010 season?
Two simple questions requiring two simple answers. Of course you are free to lie to suit your purposes, but it will be obvious if you do.
Posted on 2/13/10 at 10:01 pm to Nuts4LSU
quote:
2003-2007
2004-2008
So, now we are combining the records of different coaches, huh.
5yr period under the same coach, Nuts.
As I said, carry on with you bitch fest.
How bout some cheese with you whine.
Posted on 2/13/10 at 10:10 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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So, now we are combining the records of different coaches, huh.
Yes. Exactly. Take out Miles' 4th and 5th, or even just 5th, year, and substitute Saban's, and the record gets better.
Posted on 2/13/10 at 10:15 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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5yr period under the same coach, Nuts.
So, it has to be 5 years, under the same coach, and within the past 40 years? So, there are, what, 3 coaches in that span with 5 years (other than Miles)? So, Miles gets compared to...
an assistant coach for an elite powerhouse, promoted in-house to head coach, who maintained pretty good, but never great and certainly never as good as before he took over, success before riding the program into mediocrity and being let go,...
Gerry DiNardo, and...
A coach who took over a program that had been basically dead for a decade and had to rebuild it from very little to work with.
Like I said,
Posted on 2/13/10 at 10:17 pm to CAJUN LSU MAN
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Miles deserves a chance to right the ship
Yes. He got that chance. In 2009. He failed.
Posted on 2/13/10 at 11:12 pm to Nuts4LSU
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Yes. He got that chance. In 2009. He failed.
Actually...from 3-5 in the SEC to 5-3 in the SEC is an improvement.
Posted on 2/13/10 at 11:19 pm to Nuts4LSU
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Exactly. Take out Miles' 4th and 5th, or even just 5th, year, and substitute Saban's, and the record gets better.
Hey, jump though any hoops you want in your effort to come up with a better 5 yr period than the one Miles has put up. That speaks volumes bout how successful Miles has been.
Use every coach in LSU history if you want, but find me one, not two combined, that have West titles, SEC title, 3 straight top 5 yrs, 5 straight bowl games with 4 wins, a higher winning percentage , and a NC.
This post was edited on 2/13/10 at 11:25 pm
Posted on 2/13/10 at 11:21 pm to Nuts4LSU
quote:Maybe you should coach the team genius...
Nuts4LSU
Posted on 2/13/10 at 11:37 pm to Choctaw
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Actually...from 3-5 in the SEC to 5-3 in the SEC is an improvement.
8-5 to 9-4 won't be much of one though.
Posted on 2/14/10 at 1:20 am to Lonnie4LSU
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3 straight top 5 yrs
Does it really matter? Do we get a banner for this?
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