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re: Ok, so who is a "great" coach...
Posted on 12/14/08 at 8:26 pm to TheChosenOne
Posted on 12/14/08 at 8:26 pm to TheChosenOne
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So does every coach in America...by your standards, a great coach never loses a game
It's not my standard. It's the Rant's standard of a great coach. Great coaches should never lose a game. They should win by large margins, without looking like a jackasses, they should win the way the Rant wants them to win or it doesn't count. etc, etc.
ETA: Forgot to add, a great coach should always play the players the Rant wants.
This post was edited on 12/14/08 at 8:29 pm
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Posted on 12/14/08 at 8:28 pm to TheChosenOne
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10+ wins every year
At least a Conference Championship every other year
BCS Bowl 2 out of 3 years
1-2 NC every 5 years
That wouldn't be a great coach, that coach would be a god...except for any four+ loss season mixed in with all of that greatness.
That would basically be 90's Fla. St. or Spurrier's Florida, or USC right now...forever. Yeah, I'd take that.
Posted on 12/14/08 at 8:29 pm to Sammich
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Can't win out of conferene games, im Saban's case. Carroll losses to in conference games.
Posted on 12/14/08 at 8:34 pm to Sammich
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t's not my standard. It's the Rant's standard of a great coach.
The thread is asking for YOUR opinion on what it takes to be a great coach. Not what you think the rant wants.
Posted on 12/14/08 at 9:30 pm to tigerguy121
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Great coach=Jo Pa, Bowden, Bear, Eddie Robinson
+1 (except I'd include an asterisk by Bryant. Many of his disciples were pretty shady characters which casts some doubt about his methods.)
Every coach has some skeletons in their closets. Need to look beyond these and consider the bigger picture.
Posted on 12/14/08 at 10:02 pm to Sammich
According to most of the idiots on this board, there are no good coaches on the face of this earth.
Posted on 12/14/08 at 10:12 pm to TheChosenOne
IMO there are only two great coaches in the college ranks today and that's Bobby and Joe. Maybe ten or more years from now the guys coaching now will be considered in this same class but right now they are not.
To me you throw Miles, Saban, Carroll, Meyer, Stoops and Brown in a hat it wouldn't really matter who you pulled out because they are all on the same level. Until one pulls away from the bunch with a very impressive 5 or 10 year run I will call them all equal.
BTW Miles has a real good chance to do some special things the next 3 to 5 years with the recruiting class we have coming in.
To me you throw Miles, Saban, Carroll, Meyer, Stoops and Brown in a hat it wouldn't really matter who you pulled out because they are all on the same level. Until one pulls away from the bunch with a very impressive 5 or 10 year run I will call them all equal.
BTW Miles has a real good chance to do some special things the next 3 to 5 years with the recruiting class we have coming in.
Posted on 12/15/08 at 1:56 am to TheDoc
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Ok, so who is a "great" coach...
i'll take pete carroll.
Usc plays in a shite conference and the count is:
LSU=2NC
USC=1NC
Case closed. Thanks for stopping by.
Posted on 12/15/08 at 2:07 am to offshoretrash
Miles is closer to the level of Larry Coker than to the level of Meyer, Stoops, Carroll, and Saban... pleeeeease.
Miles just inherited a great thing... Saban has or will restore Alabama, Carroll restored USC, Meyer has had success at 3 different schools, and Stoops restored Oklahoma.
Miles just inherited a great thing... Saban has or will restore Alabama, Carroll restored USC, Meyer has had success at 3 different schools, and Stoops restored Oklahoma.
Posted on 12/15/08 at 2:09 am to rtgr
That is stupid. Miles has 1 national title, Saban has 1 national title, Carroll has 1 national title... but because Miles/Saban won their national titles at the same school, Carrol's accomplishments at USC mean less?
I get a headache on here sometimes.
I get a headache on here sometimes.
Posted on 12/15/08 at 2:11 am to Ghazi
I just wanna say that the reason people are so "lenient" toward Les Miles is because 4 TD underdog Pitt beat WVU last year, which paved the way for an underachieving LSU team to enter and win the national title.
If WVU does not lose that game, and LSU won the Sugar Bowl and followed it up with 7-5 this year, peoples' impressions of Miles on here would not be so great.
So essentially, the logic some people adopt on here is that Miles is a good coach because WVU choked.
That is the ultimate case of irrational revisionist history/hindsight.
If WVU does not lose that game, and LSU won the Sugar Bowl and followed it up with 7-5 this year, peoples' impressions of Miles on here would not be so great.
So essentially, the logic some people adopt on here is that Miles is a good coach because WVU choked.
That is the ultimate case of irrational revisionist history/hindsight.
Posted on 12/15/08 at 2:33 am to Ghazi
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If
IF my aunt had balls she would be my uncle.I could fill up this page with all the IFs it takes to win a MNC, every coach benifits from them.
When is the last time a MNC was won and there were no questions?
Posted on 12/15/08 at 2:39 am to offshoretrash
But the "ifs" were far greater in the case of LSU. I'm not sure, but isn't LSU the ONLY team in history to win a national title with 2 losses? If not, certainly the only one in the modern era.
That national title, although earned and legitimate, was more due to luck elements than to Les Miles' coaching.
That national title, although earned and legitimate, was more due to luck elements than to Les Miles' coaching.
Posted on 12/15/08 at 2:51 am to Ghazi
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But the "ifs" were far greater in the case of LSU. I'm not sure, but isn't LSU the ONLY team in history to win a national title with 2 losses? If not, certainly the only one in the modern era.
That national title, although earned and legitimate, was more due to luck elements than to Les Miles' coaching.
I'm not gonna sit here and argue with you or make up excuses. You are supposed to be an LSU fan you should know it was more than luck that won us a MNC last year. You should know what all went on during the season with all the injuries we over came or have you forgotten?
I guess we were lucky to over come these things and catch a break at the end of the year.
Posted on 12/15/08 at 5:16 am to LuckyLee
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t's true. Your coach did win 7 games & lost 6 last year.
Yep, but you're to fricking retarded to see the difference between Saban's 1st year at Bama and Miles' 4th year at LSU.
And You luckyLee are truly fricking retarded not to see that we had 2 freshman QB's and an DC tandem that didn't work out. Would we have been better with the shady perrilloux at the helm? Of course, but with his attitude and substance abuse problems he had to go.
We'll be back next year. Bama will play with an inexperienced QB. You'll see how great saban is then.
If you think Saban has a chance to go undefeated with an inexperienced QB I have some great subprime real estate bonds for sale...
Posted on 12/15/08 at 5:43 am to Ghazi
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So essentially, the logic some people adopt on here is that Miles is a good coach because WVU choked
11-2
11-2
12-2
No tard, this has never been achieved by any LSU Football Coach. You want to whine: "Oh but they added a game"?? Fine subtract 1 game.
Still never done before in LSU Football history.
Posted on 12/15/08 at 6:00 am to Meauxjeaux
Nobody is currently in the "great" coaches club. Great coaches are not a dime a dozen, nor are they easily given that moniker.
A few current coaches who are knocking on the door are: Stoops, Carroll, Brown, (all of whom I do not like at all), Beamer, and Saban, but these guys still have alot of football left to coach to prove if they belong in the "great" club or not.
Miles has even more coaching in front of him before he enters the "great" talk.
Who are the greatest coaches of all time: Bryant, Wilkenson, Rockne, Yost, Robinson, Hayes, Paterno, and Bowden.
Some of these you make not like personally, but that has nothing to do with their ability to coach.
So the only two active coaches that are considered "great" would be Bowden and Paterno even though their teams right now are not what they used to be, but neither were Bryant's or Hayes' in the end.
Let Miles and the rest prove themselves before we are soooo quick to label them great. It does a disservice to the truly great coaches of all-time to admit coaches who have done so little, so far, to the "great" coach club.
That is all..
A few current coaches who are knocking on the door are: Stoops, Carroll, Brown, (all of whom I do not like at all), Beamer, and Saban, but these guys still have alot of football left to coach to prove if they belong in the "great" club or not.
Miles has even more coaching in front of him before he enters the "great" talk.
Who are the greatest coaches of all time: Bryant, Wilkenson, Rockne, Yost, Robinson, Hayes, Paterno, and Bowden.
Some of these you make not like personally, but that has nothing to do with their ability to coach.
So the only two active coaches that are considered "great" would be Bowden and Paterno even though their teams right now are not what they used to be, but neither were Bryant's or Hayes' in the end.
Let Miles and the rest prove themselves before we are soooo quick to label them great. It does a disservice to the truly great coaches of all-time to admit coaches who have done so little, so far, to the "great" coach club.
That is all..
Posted on 12/15/08 at 6:29 am to DP40
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So the only two active coaches that are considered "great" would be Bowden and Paterno even though their teams right now are not what they used to be, but neither were Bryant's or Hayes' in the end.
It's a different era of college football. You can't stockpile kids like you could in the '80's, lesser programs have gotten more savvy about recruiting. You are smoking serious dope if you think that Bear Bryant, Joe Paterno, and Bobby Bowden would have survived in this era, because they would get canned after one bad season. It's insane.
Posted on 12/15/08 at 6:35 am to ironsides
You could actually see the game passing Bowden by during the Florida game. The shots of him following Florida scores showed a thoroughly confused man.
Posted on 12/15/08 at 6:51 am to AlexLSU
How do you define a great coach?
Just winning???, I do not...,
IMHO
A great coach is one that can get the most of the talent he has.
...for example, I do not consider Carroll a GREAT coach, he is a winning coach, and he is good at PR, and recruiting but ....
Just winning???, I do not...,
IMHO
A great coach is one that can get the most of the talent he has.
...for example, I do not consider Carroll a GREAT coach, he is a winning coach, and he is good at PR, and recruiting but ....
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