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re: Ok, so who is a "great" coach...
Posted on 12/15/08 at 6:57 am to GarmischTiger
Posted on 12/15/08 at 6:57 am to GarmischTiger
quote:
You could actually see the game passing Bowden by during the Florida game. The shots of him following Florida scores showed a thoroughly confused man.
Doesn't change his legacy as a great coach ...
Let's see how well you do in your chosen field when you're 80 years old.
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Posted on 12/15/08 at 6:58 am to ironsides
We can start splitting hairs when it comes to the "rules" of the game changing in different eras, but all coaches work within the rules given them. That doesn't lessen their accomplishments because today's game is different than the 30's, 40's, 50's, etc.
To state flatly that certain COULD NOT "survive" in this era is over the top. I'm not saying they would, but I also would not doubt them either.
Besides, it's about what they DID, not what they WOULD or COULD do in different eras.
I guess Billy Cannon is not great since he couldn't play in today's game? (I think he could, but I'm sure some others don't think so)
To state flatly that certain COULD NOT "survive" in this era is over the top. I'm not saying they would, but I also would not doubt them either.
Besides, it's about what they DID, not what they WOULD or COULD do in different eras.
I guess Billy Cannon is not great since he couldn't play in today's game? (I think he could, but I'm sure some others don't think so)
Posted on 12/15/08 at 8:05 am to 1984Tiger
quote:
Doesn't change his legacy as a great coach ...
Let's see how well you do in your chosen field when you're 80 years old.
He's had a great run, there's no doubt. But he's on the sideline of his own choosing.
Hell, Jo Pa's still got some game left in him...
Posted on 12/15/08 at 9:10 am to AlexLSU
Chappy - is it fiction?
*Good point(s) and LINKS!
LSUTiger205
re: Ok, so who is a "great" coach... (Posted on 12/14 at 7:46 p.m. to TheDoc)
quote: i'll take pete carroll.
Why?? He has choked alot too. No way should he have lost to OSU and UCLA the past couple of years
*After I saw what he is doing in LA last night on CBS 60 minutes, I'm very impressed with this man's persona. Not only a great coach, but a great citizen that has himself directly involved in helping out the gangs and thugs of LA. How many coaches can prove their worth to our society like this? Not many!
tigerguy121
re: Ok, so who is a "great" coach... (Posted on 12/14 at 7:47 p.m. to Chappy)
Great coach=Jo Pa, Bowden, Bear, Eddie robinson
*They were great coaches and great men as well, 'cept Jo Pa is still kicking!
LuckyLee
re: Ok, so who is a "great" coach... (Posted on 12/14 at 8:02 p.m. to Meauxjeaux)
Les Miles is a downy. I'd rather have Chizdik as my coach.I
*L.L. of AL, I hope you have to come back from hell and eat your words?
TheChosenOne
re: Ok, so who is a "great" coach... (Posted on 12/14 at 8:18 p.m. to Sammich)
quote: Carroll losses to in conference games.
So does every coach in America...by your standards, a great coach never loses a game
*So true, they all are people (human beings) and they will all make mistakes and have a bad day and cycles in their tenures and lives.
DanglingFury
re: Ok, so who is a "great" coach... (Posted on 12/14 at 8:28 p.m. to TheChosenOne)
quote: 10+ wins every year
At least a Conference Championship every other year
BCS Bowl 2 out of 3 years
1-2 NC every 5 years
That wouldn't be a great coach, that coach would be a god...except for any four+ loss season mixed in with all of that greatness.
That would basically be 90's Fla. St. or Spurrier's Florida, or USC right now...forever. Yeah, I'd take that.
*DanglingFury - I think most level headed person would as well!
AlwysATgr - Every coach has some skeletons in their closets. Need to look beyond these and consider the bigger picture.
*It just proves, like you, me and everyone else, they are all bordering on being frail human beings!
rtgr
New Orleans/Jackson Wyoming
Usc plays in a shite conference and the count is:
LSU=2NC - USC=1NC - Case closed. Thanks for stopping by.
*it is ALL a 'Mysterious Myth'!!! And I since a taste of disdain and someone that has had a few cocktails before this posting???
GHAZI
I just wanna say that the reason people are so "lenient" toward Les Miles is because 4 TD underdog Pitt beat WVU last year, which paved the way for an underachieving LSU team to enter and win the national title.
If WVU does not lose that game, and LSU won the Sugar Bowl and followed it up with 7-5 this year, peoples' impressions of Miles on here would not be so great.
So essentially, the logic some people adopt on here is that Miles is a good coach because WVU choked.
That is the ultimate case of irrational revisionist history/hindsight.
*So the intangible "LUCK" does play into this equation?
Sammich -
11-2
11-2
12-2
No tard, this has never been achieved by any LSU Football Coach. You want to whine: "Oh but they added a game"?? Fine subtract 1 game.
Still never done before in LSU Football history.
*Then again, Les had some bad luck steam roll him this past season as the CEO of this current program?
DP40
re: Ok, so who is a "great" coach... (Posted on 12/15 at 6:00 a.m. to Meauxjeaux)
Nobody is currently in the "great" coaches club. Great coaches are not a dime a dozen, nor are they easily given that moniker.
A few current coaches who are knocking on the door are: Stoops, Carroll, Brown, (all of whom I do not like at all), Beamer, and Saban, but these guys still have alot of football left to coach to prove if they belong in the "great" club or not.
Miles has even more coaching in front of him before he enters the "great" talk.
Who are the greatest coaches of all time: Bryant, Wilkenson, Rockne, Yost, Robinson, Hayes, Paterno, and Bowden.
Some of these you make not like personally, but that has nothing to do with their ability to coach.
So the only two active coaches that are considered "great" would be Bowden and Paterno even though their teams right now are not what they used to be, but neither were Bryant's or Hayes' in the end.
Let Miles and the rest prove themselves before we are soooo quick to label them great. It does a disservice to the truly great coaches of all-time to admit coaches who have done so little, so far, to the "great" coach club.
That is all..
*Some legitimate points!!!
1984Tiger - Doesn't change his legacy as a great coach ...
Let's see how well you do in your chosen field when you're 80 years old.
*Times do change and people do as their age, you have an excellent point!
GarmischTiger - He's had a great run, there's no doubt. But he's on the sideline of his own choosing.
Hell, Jo Pa's still got some game left in him..
*This season he sure has and he has surrounded himself with a very sound coaching staff! We will see more from the real outcome of this analogy after the Rose Bowl? Or will we???
LSU=AWESOME - You're such a moron.
*haven't we all been, at times in our lives?
"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it."
*Good point(s) and LINKS!
LSUTiger205
re: Ok, so who is a "great" coach... (Posted on 12/14 at 7:46 p.m. to TheDoc)
quote: i'll take pete carroll.
Why?? He has choked alot too. No way should he have lost to OSU and UCLA the past couple of years
*After I saw what he is doing in LA last night on CBS 60 minutes, I'm very impressed with this man's persona. Not only a great coach, but a great citizen that has himself directly involved in helping out the gangs and thugs of LA. How many coaches can prove their worth to our society like this? Not many!
tigerguy121
re: Ok, so who is a "great" coach... (Posted on 12/14 at 7:47 p.m. to Chappy)
Great coach=Jo Pa, Bowden, Bear, Eddie robinson
*They were great coaches and great men as well, 'cept Jo Pa is still kicking!
LuckyLee
re: Ok, so who is a "great" coach... (Posted on 12/14 at 8:02 p.m. to Meauxjeaux)
Les Miles is a downy. I'd rather have Chizdik as my coach.I
*L.L. of AL, I hope you have to come back from hell and eat your words?
TheChosenOne
re: Ok, so who is a "great" coach... (Posted on 12/14 at 8:18 p.m. to Sammich)
quote: Carroll losses to in conference games.
So does every coach in America...by your standards, a great coach never loses a game
*So true, they all are people (human beings) and they will all make mistakes and have a bad day and cycles in their tenures and lives.
DanglingFury
re: Ok, so who is a "great" coach... (Posted on 12/14 at 8:28 p.m. to TheChosenOne)
quote: 10+ wins every year
At least a Conference Championship every other year
BCS Bowl 2 out of 3 years
1-2 NC every 5 years
That wouldn't be a great coach, that coach would be a god...except for any four+ loss season mixed in with all of that greatness.
That would basically be 90's Fla. St. or Spurrier's Florida, or USC right now...forever. Yeah, I'd take that.
*DanglingFury - I think most level headed person would as well!
AlwysATgr - Every coach has some skeletons in their closets. Need to look beyond these and consider the bigger picture.
*It just proves, like you, me and everyone else, they are all bordering on being frail human beings!
rtgr
New Orleans/Jackson Wyoming
Usc plays in a shite conference and the count is:
LSU=2NC - USC=1NC - Case closed. Thanks for stopping by.
*it is ALL a 'Mysterious Myth'!!! And I since a taste of disdain and someone that has had a few cocktails before this posting???
GHAZI
I just wanna say that the reason people are so "lenient" toward Les Miles is because 4 TD underdog Pitt beat WVU last year, which paved the way for an underachieving LSU team to enter and win the national title.
If WVU does not lose that game, and LSU won the Sugar Bowl and followed it up with 7-5 this year, peoples' impressions of Miles on here would not be so great.
So essentially, the logic some people adopt on here is that Miles is a good coach because WVU choked.
That is the ultimate case of irrational revisionist history/hindsight.
*So the intangible "LUCK" does play into this equation?
Sammich -
11-2
11-2
12-2
No tard, this has never been achieved by any LSU Football Coach. You want to whine: "Oh but they added a game"?? Fine subtract 1 game.
Still never done before in LSU Football history.
*Then again, Les had some bad luck steam roll him this past season as the CEO of this current program?
DP40
re: Ok, so who is a "great" coach... (Posted on 12/15 at 6:00 a.m. to Meauxjeaux)
Nobody is currently in the "great" coaches club. Great coaches are not a dime a dozen, nor are they easily given that moniker.
A few current coaches who are knocking on the door are: Stoops, Carroll, Brown, (all of whom I do not like at all), Beamer, and Saban, but these guys still have alot of football left to coach to prove if they belong in the "great" club or not.
Miles has even more coaching in front of him before he enters the "great" talk.
Who are the greatest coaches of all time: Bryant, Wilkenson, Rockne, Yost, Robinson, Hayes, Paterno, and Bowden.
Some of these you make not like personally, but that has nothing to do with their ability to coach.
So the only two active coaches that are considered "great" would be Bowden and Paterno even though their teams right now are not what they used to be, but neither were Bryant's or Hayes' in the end.
Let Miles and the rest prove themselves before we are soooo quick to label them great. It does a disservice to the truly great coaches of all-time to admit coaches who have done so little, so far, to the "great" coach club.
That is all..
*Some legitimate points!!!
1984Tiger - Doesn't change his legacy as a great coach ...
Let's see how well you do in your chosen field when you're 80 years old.
*Times do change and people do as their age, you have an excellent point!
GarmischTiger - He's had a great run, there's no doubt. But he's on the sideline of his own choosing.
Hell, Jo Pa's still got some game left in him..
*This season he sure has and he has surrounded himself with a very sound coaching staff! We will see more from the real outcome of this analogy after the Rose Bowl? Or will we???
LSU=AWESOME - You're such a moron.
*haven't we all been, at times in our lives?
"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it."
Posted on 12/15/08 at 9:27 am to Ghazi
quote:
But the "ifs" were far greater in the case of LSU. I'm not sure, but isn't LSU the ONLY team in history to win a national title with 2 losses? If not, certainly the only one in the modern era.
That national title, although earned and legitimate, was more due to luck elements than to Les Miles' coaching.
So what? Yea we won a NC with 2 losses, but we won't be the last team to do that. Oh yea, and remember, its always better to be lucky than good. Go back and look at all the great FSU teams of the 90's, there was a lot of luck for the Seminoles along the way.
Posted on 12/15/08 at 11:41 am to LSUownsSEC
quote:
Chappy - is it fiction?
*Good point(s) and LINKS!
LSUTiger205
re: Ok, so who is a "great" coach... (Posted on 12/14 at 7:46 p.m. to TheDoc)
quote: i'll take pete carroll.
Why?? He has choked alot too. No way should he have lost to OSU and UCLA the past couple of years
*After I saw what he is doing in LA last night on CBS 60 minutes, I'm very impressed with this man's persona. Not only a great coach, but a great citizen that has himself directly involved in helping out the gangs and thugs of LA. How many coaches can prove their worth to our society like this? Not many!
tigerguy121
re: Ok, so who is a "great" coach... (Posted on 12/14 at 7:47 p.m. to Chappy)
Great coach=Jo Pa, Bowden, Bear, Eddie robinson
*They were great coaches and great men as well, 'cept Jo Pa is still kicking!
LuckyLee
re: Ok, so who is a "great" coach... (Posted on 12/14 at 8:02 p.m. to Meauxjeaux)
Les Miles is a downy. I'd rather have Chizdik as my coach.I
*L.L. of AL, I hope you have to come back from hell and eat your words?
TheChosenOne
re: Ok, so who is a "great" coach... (Posted on 12/14 at 8:18 p.m. to Sammich)
quote: Carroll losses to in conference games.
So does every coach in America...by your standards, a great coach never loses a game
*So true, they all are people (human beings) and they will all make mistakes and have a bad day and cycles in their tenures and lives.
DanglingFury
re: Ok, so who is a "great" coach... (Posted on 12/14 at 8:28 p.m. to TheChosenOne)
quote: 10+ wins every year
At least a Conference Championship every other year
BCS Bowl 2 out of 3 years
1-2 NC every 5 years
That wouldn't be a great coach, that coach would be a god...except for any four+ loss season mixed in with all of that greatness.
That would basically be 90's Fla. St. or Spurrier's Florida, or USC right now...forever. Yeah, I'd take that.
*DanglingFury - I think most level headed person would as well!
AlwysATgr - Every coach has some skeletons in their closets. Need to look beyond these and consider the bigger picture.
*It just proves, like you, me and everyone else, they are all bordering on being frail human beings!
rtgr
New Orleans/Jackson Wyoming
Usc plays in a shite conference and the count is:
LSU=2NC - USC=1NC - Case closed. Thanks for stopping by.
*it is ALL a 'Mysterious Myth'!!! And I since a taste of disdain and someone that has had a few cocktails before this posting???
GHAZI
I just wanna say that the reason people are so "lenient" toward Les Miles is because 4 TD underdog Pitt beat WVU last year, which paved the way for an underachieving LSU team to enter and win the national title.
If WVU does not lose that game, and LSU won the Sugar Bowl and followed it up with 7-5 this year, peoples' impressions of Miles on here would not be so great.
So essentially, the logic some people adopt on here is that Miles is a good coach because WVU choked.
That is the ultimate case of irrational revisionist history/hindsight.
*So the intangible "LUCK" does play into this equation?
Sammich -
11-2
11-2
12-2
No tard, this has never been achieved by any LSU Football Coach. You want to whine: "Oh but they added a game"?? Fine subtract 1 game.
Still never done before in LSU Football history.
*Then again, Les had some bad luck steam roll him this past season as the CEO of this current program?
DP40
re: Ok, so who is a "great" coach... (Posted on 12/15 at 6:00 a.m. to Meauxjeaux)
Nobody is currently in the "great" coaches club. Great coaches are not a dime a dozen, nor are they easily given that moniker.
A few current coaches who are knocking on the door are: Stoops, Carroll, Brown, (all of whom I do not like at all), Beamer, and Saban, but these guys still have alot of football left to coach to prove if they belong in the "great" club or not.
Miles has even more coaching in front of him before he enters the "great" talk.
Who are the greatest coaches of all time: Bryant, Wilkenson, Rockne, Yost, Robinson, Hayes, Paterno, and Bowden.
Some of these you make not like personally, but that has nothing to do with their ability to coach.
So the only two active coaches that are considered "great" would be Bowden and Paterno even though their teams right now are not what they used to be, but neither were Bryant's or Hayes' in the end.
Let Miles and the rest prove themselves before we are soooo quick to label them great. It does a disservice to the truly great coaches of all-time to admit coaches who have done so little, so far, to the "great" coach club.
That is all..
*Some legitimate points!!!
1984Tiger - Doesn't change his legacy as a great coach ...
Let's see how well you do in your chosen field when you're 80 years old.
*Times do change and people do as their age, you have an excellent point!
GarmischTiger - He's had a great run, there's no doubt. But he's on the sideline of his own choosing.
Hell, Jo Pa's still got some game left in him..
*This season he sure has and he has surrounded himself with a very sound coaching staff! We will see more from the real outcome of this analogy after the Rose Bowl? Or will we???
LSU=AWESOME - You're such a moron.
*haven't we all been, at times in our lives?
"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it."
Dude, you are NEVER going to get to 120,000+ posts replying like this.
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