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re: Ole Miss losing is not good for LSU.
Posted on 9/25/09 at 9:01 am to bfniii
Posted on 9/25/09 at 9:01 am to bfniii
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we don't play south carolina, we do play ole miss. we want every team to be undefeated when we play them because it makes our beating them look much, much better.
I looked at that concept as more of a "silver lining" if Ole Miss won. Others on here are right-- we want teams in the West lower than us b/c our primary goal is the SEC West. If we get that, the rest should/will fall into place. Ole Miss undefeated when we play them was a slim chance anyway: they still had Arky, Auburn, Bama, and Tenn before getting us. Better for them to fall in the West rankings.
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You know, if Tennessee had lost to one more West opponent in 2007, UGA would have had a good shot at winning the National Championship.
According to a few UGA fans I have (at times, unfortunately) befriended, LSU took UGA's position in the NC game that year. Never mind the fact that THEY DIDN'T WIN THEIR DIVISION, much less their conference-- that spot was theirs.
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Posted on 9/25/09 at 9:03 am to Tiger_n_ATL
quote:you're making my point for me. how much better is it to beat a team on top of the world than one "doubting" itself?
No, you don't because they have more confidence that they are good, invincible and can beat anyone...you want them doubting their ability to beat a good team.
quote:but how much better is it to beat a top 5 team on the road than one ranked #18 that lost to an unranked team earlier. big difference to any observer
Maybe there is some abstract computer program that penalizes us .07786 of a point for it, but in the voters eyes, it's all the same. A big win against a top 20 team in the SEC West on the road, the toughest conference in America.
Posted on 9/25/09 at 9:04 am to inebr8ted tiger
Nutt always has a few head scratchers early in the season, then looks like a genius late in the season.
Although hopefully this loss will give them a greater sense of urgency for the Bama game
Although hopefully this loss will give them a greater sense of urgency for the Bama game
Posted on 9/25/09 at 9:05 am to Cinci Tiger
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You obviously get it....I am not so sure about the rest on this board
We all get it. We just do not believe that Ole Miss having one (more) loss this year will have any deterministic effect on the Tigers fianl ranking and bowl appearance.
We have MUCH more important issues to focus on.
Posted on 9/25/09 at 9:05 am to Tiger_n_ATL
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They can't comprehend that just winning in the toughest conference in the country, and winning the SECCG is tantamount to a free ticket to the NC game
Perhaps, you can explain what happened to Auburn a few years back?
This post was edited on 9/25/09 at 9:13 am
Posted on 9/25/09 at 9:08 am to Tiger_n_ATL
quote:this was never a part of my argument. you might be directing that at someone else, though. although, it would boost lsu if they did do so, right?
Because unrealistic fans think we should play and beat every top 10 or top 5 team, and do it convincingly
quote:what you are arguing for is for the sec to become the pac 10 where one team monopolizes the talent and winning. we actually want the sec to continue to be the strongest overall conference by being at the top of recruiting AND winning because when lsu does win, it makes it that much more impressive. even when lsu doesn't make the ncg or the sec cg, lsu benefits from the stronger conference and gets into a better bowl.
They also don't realize that it helps our competitors programs in recruiting if they win lots of games. You should never want Bama, Ole Miss, etc. to win 10+ games a year as it helps their recruiting by convincing big time recruits that they have a winning program.
Posted on 9/25/09 at 9:09 am to Sid in Lakeshore
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We just do not believe that Ole Miss having one (more) loss this year will have any deterministic effect on the Tigers fianl ranking
Uhh...Losses are a part of determining rankings
There fixed
This post was edited on 9/25/09 at 9:09 am
Posted on 9/25/09 at 9:09 am to its1999
quote:wow. how is it better if they fall and we beat them than if they DON'T fall and we beat them?
Better for them to fall in the West rankings.
Posted on 9/25/09 at 9:15 am to bfniii
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wow. how is it better if they fall and we beat them than if they DON'T fall and we beat them?
given how many times the West has come down to the tiebreaker, I don't mind seeing the other teams with a loss or two. In addition, in the eyes of voters, an LSU win at Ole Miss will be considered a better win than the games most other teams in the country might have that weekend.
The differences in LSU and Auburn/04 is that we started higher, play a much tougher schedule, and still have the opportunity to beat teams that are ahead of us. Auburn never had that opportunity.
This post was edited on 9/25/09 at 9:19 am
Posted on 9/25/09 at 9:16 am to bfniii
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wow. how is it better if they fall and we beat them than if they DON'T fall and we beat them?
Because Obama is going to regulate the BCS before the year ends?
Posted on 9/25/09 at 9:21 am to Cinci Tiger
Posted on 9/25/09 at 9:27 am to ForeLSU
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given how many times the West has come down to the tiebreaker, I don't mind seeing the other teams with a loss or two.
Exactly. The argument against this is assuming we're going undefeated through the season. When is the last time this has happened? We always fall at at least one point during the season. And if you think this team will go undefeated this year, you're in for a rude awakening.
It's always good for others to lose because lets face it; going undefeated in this conference is near impossible. It doesn't get done that much. So to assume it's better for every one of our opponents to win because we'll just beat them all and have a higher ranking because of it is naive.
This post was edited on 9/25/09 at 9:28 am
Posted on 9/25/09 at 9:31 am to BleedPurpleGold
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lets face it; going undefeated in this conference is near impossible
Ughh...Auburn was undefeated
Posted on 9/25/09 at 9:31 am to inebr8ted tiger
brother...when your "Heisman" level QB goes 7-21...you have problems...
Posted on 9/25/09 at 9:34 am to ForeLSU
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The differences in LSU and Auburn/04 is that we started higher, play a much tougher schedule, and still have the opportunity to beat teams that are ahead of us. Auburn never had that opportunity.
That, and the SEC Champ has won pretty much every BCSCG since then, so there's a benefit of the doubt for the SEC Champion that wasn't there for Auburn.
Posted on 9/25/09 at 9:36 am to inebr8ted tiger
If we do what we are supposed to do, it doesn't matter what Ole Miss does.
Posted on 9/25/09 at 9:37 am to Cinci Tiger
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Ughh...Auburn was undefeated
That's why I said "nearly." And remember all the luck they had that season to get that undefeated record? The BS call on the kick vs us? The BS call on the UF blocked punt, along with every other penalty call that night? It's happened once in the last decade (maybe twice, i seem to remember someone doing it in the late 90's). Not the usual thing, and not going to happen with the team we have.
This post was edited on 9/25/09 at 9:39 am
Posted on 9/25/09 at 9:43 am to inebr8ted tiger
i dont think ole miss lost because of expectations, i think they lost because they just simply werent as good as those expectations
Posted on 9/25/09 at 9:45 am to Cinci Tiger
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lets face it; going undefeated in this conference is near impossible
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Ughh...Auburn was undefeated
What part of the above statement was unclear? Was it the near part?
Posted on 9/25/09 at 9:49 am to inebr8ted tiger
on what planet?
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