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re: Opinion on Coach O
Posted on 7/28/19 at 2:21 am to Rickdaddy4188
Posted on 7/28/19 at 2:21 am to Rickdaddy4188
quote:Only thing we agree on
sure was. shouldve fired him after a&m in 2015
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Posted on 7/28/19 at 2:24 am to ImayGoLesMiles
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Everybody knows that Miles underachieved
Miles accomplishments at lsu
-during his tenure no program beat more ranked teams
-no program was in the top 25 more weeks
-#1 win % at a top 15 alltime program
- #1 ooc regular season win% in sec and lsu history
- as many top 10 finishes as the previous 40 seasons of lsu football combined
- as many top 5 finishes as saban, mac,and dietzel combined
- most top 25,top 20,top15, top 10 ,top 5 finishes in lsu history
not one of the above statements are my opinions. they are objective facts about miles' tenure.
if that's underachieving then I hope o underachieved too because he wont accomplish half of that at lsu
This post was edited on 7/28/19 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 7/28/19 at 2:25 am to Rickdaddy4188
Based on the fact Burrow was one of the main reasons we won and he would not been at LSU under Miles. Based on the fact that Miles offense would not have succeeded vs UGA's D due to his philosophy. Miles best wins were long gone before he was forced out.
And the last time we had a lead vs Bama was years ago so it is not just O's teams that have struggled to score on their D. Miles was failing at the end toward Bama. The trajectory Les' offense was going was nowheresville. At least O is trying something different with the Brady/Ensminger route.
And btw there are 11 other games besides Bama so the over obsession on them gets sickening. They can slip up and lost two and we only lose to them and we win the west. It is far from a guarantee but it is possible that if we impressively beat the other teams and lose close to Bama we could back door into playoffs. But yeah much preferable to beat them of course. Just not the end of the world if we lose competitively. Eventually something will give and we will beat them again no matter how much folks obsess with it or like morons bitching about it constantly.
Look I am not doing this contrarian argue with a wall chitte you like to pull. You tried that with others (and you know who). It does not make you look smarter or add inches somewhere else. I have said my peace...and out:).
And the last time we had a lead vs Bama was years ago so it is not just O's teams that have struggled to score on their D. Miles was failing at the end toward Bama. The trajectory Les' offense was going was nowheresville. At least O is trying something different with the Brady/Ensminger route.
And btw there are 11 other games besides Bama so the over obsession on them gets sickening. They can slip up and lost two and we only lose to them and we win the west. It is far from a guarantee but it is possible that if we impressively beat the other teams and lose close to Bama we could back door into playoffs. But yeah much preferable to beat them of course. Just not the end of the world if we lose competitively. Eventually something will give and we will beat them again no matter how much folks obsess with it or like morons bitching about it constantly.
Look I am not doing this contrarian argue with a wall chitte you like to pull. You tried that with others (and you know who). It does not make you look smarter or add inches somewhere else. I have said my peace...and out:).
Posted on 7/28/19 at 2:26 am to BananaHammock
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Tell us about the illustrious quarterbacks that Les Miles trotted out in P&G over the years.
name the ones o has.
Posted on 7/28/19 at 2:28 am to Canwoodtiger
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Based on the fact that Miles offense would not have succeeded vs UGA's D due to his philosophy.
burrow was 15/30 for 200 yards and 0 tds
we rushed for 275
sounds just like miles tenure
Posted on 7/28/19 at 2:32 am to Rickdaddy4188
Jeaux Jeaux is not yet illustrious (yet) but more than solid. Better than Etling, Jennings, JJ, Harris and Lee. Mettenberger is > Burrow statistically but Zach was a statue and Burrow gives us more with his running.
Flynn won a NC and had good stats to go with it so technically he is above Burrow. However, Flynn's had more talent around him in '07 compared to last year and was a fifth year senior. To compare apples to apples let's see what happens this year before we complete the book on Jeaux. If you don't think he is at least solid and better than all but two QBs Miles (at this point) had in over a decade of coaching there is no need to have an internet discussion on the issue.
Flynn won a NC and had good stats to go with it so technically he is above Burrow. However, Flynn's had more talent around him in '07 compared to last year and was a fifth year senior. To compare apples to apples let's see what happens this year before we complete the book on Jeaux. If you don't think he is at least solid and better than all but two QBs Miles (at this point) had in over a decade of coaching there is no need to have an internet discussion on the issue.
This post was edited on 7/28/19 at 2:33 am
Posted on 7/28/19 at 2:34 am to Canwoodtiger
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Jeaux Jeaux is not yet illustrious (yet) but more than solid
agreed
he will cement his legacy as one of the best lsu qbs ever this year
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If you don't think he is at least solid and better than all but two QBs Miles (at this point) had in over a decade of coaching there is no need to have an internet discussion on the issue.
never said any of this.
im done for the night brother.
This post was edited on 7/28/19 at 2:35 am
Posted on 7/28/19 at 2:36 am to Rickdaddy4188
quote:Burrow did account for 3300yds of offense last season as a first year starter in the sec and against a tough schedule to boot. That isn't shabby
name the ones o has.
Posted on 7/28/19 at 2:40 am to Canwoodtiger
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Flynn won a NC and had good stats to go with it so technically he is above Burrow
I love me some Matt Flynn but you're wrong here. He passed for just over 150 yards in that game. Burrow is the better QB between the two. That isn't bashing either kid.
This is what people have been saying. Burrow doesn't have to be the next Joe Montana, just be smart, which he is, and get it done. Put him the position to do what he needs to do, let the OL do their part. Do what Flynn did. Be smart.
This post was edited on 7/28/19 at 2:47 am
Posted on 7/28/19 at 2:59 am to ImayGoLesMiles
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Our last season with 10 wins was in 2013. In all honesty, last year's team was 11-2, bc we obviously got blatantly fricked over in the tamu game, which should have been a win.
The 2018 A&M game will always be recorded as a loss no matter how you want to frame it. Just like Miles 2015 season was a 9 win season. No matter how many people want to say he would have had a 10 win season if the McNeese game hadn't been cancelled.
But if you're going to sit there and say that last year's team went 11-2, you sound disingenuous to say that LSU wouldn't have won 10 games had the McNeese game been played.
Posted on 7/28/19 at 3:04 am to earl keese
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No matter how many people want to say he would have had a 10 win season if the McNeese game hadn't been cancelled.
Bingo. I had to stay under the seats for that game because of all the lightning but to your point, there is no way we lost that game. This isn't an opinion. That's a fact.
The thing about last season is that you have two very different scenarios that could've happened. We were one play away from a stellar season, but we were also one play away, in a couple of games to being 8-4.
I know, but "what was the result of the game?" So why dwell on it? This is what I've been saying, stop playing down to opponents. It will come back to bite you in the butt. Quit doing it please.
I'm thrilled that we finished where we did last season. Let's continue to do more of that.
This post was edited on 7/28/19 at 3:08 am
Posted on 7/28/19 at 3:06 am to earl keese
No he doesn't. 10 games with McNees was a 99.99999% likelihood. A&M is a win except on paper. If someone wants to call last year 11-2 that is just fine with me. Reality is we won. Conspiratorial factors stole victory. That makes it a win right there in reality.
Posted on 7/28/19 at 3:08 am to ImayGoLesMiles
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Everybody knows that Miles underachieved in his time as LSU hc.
Posted on 7/28/19 at 3:09 am to Canwoodtiger
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If someone wants to call last year 11-2 that is just fine with me
Why would they do that when we finished 10-3? Loss to Bama, loss to A&M, loss to Florida. So you want to pretend a loss didn't happen? I get we got hosed in the A&M game but we lost it. It shouldn't have gone to as many overtimes as it did.
Where's the 2 loss thing come in?
This post was edited on 7/28/19 at 3:12 am
Posted on 7/28/19 at 3:11 am to la_birdman
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This is what I've been saying, stop playing down to opponents. It will come back to bite you in the butt. Quit doing it please.
Only two programs have consistently done this in recent years.. Clemson and Bama. Now yes they are well coached with one being lead by a fanatical, neurotic who creates a team of robotic parts.
HOWEVER...it gets tougher to not play down to opponents when in between a vicious schedule of top tier opponents rent a wins are sprinkled in between. Give you a hint - compare LSU's schedule with Bama's and Clemson's for 2018-2019. Heck compare just about any program's to theirs. Cakewalk scheduling makes it so much easier to consistently win by double digits.
Posted on 7/28/19 at 3:14 am to Canwoodtiger
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Now yes they are well coached with one being lead by a fanatical, neurotic who creates a team of robotic parts.
Or maybe they just hold their players to a higher level of expectations. This is why you were recruited. Get it done or someone else will play in your place. See Kelvin Joseph.
This post was edited on 7/28/19 at 3:15 am
Posted on 7/28/19 at 3:15 am to Canwoodtiger
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No he doesn't. 10 games with McNees was a 99.99999% likelihood. A&M is a win except on paper.
That the thing though, the only thing that matters now is that the win on paper belongs to A&M.
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If someone wants to call last year 11-2 that is just fine with me.
Sure, we all would be fine with someone saying we went 11-3 last year. But that's not what the record shows. No matter how the game was won or lost. The record will always show the 2018 LSU record was 10-3.
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Reality is we won. Conspiratorial factors stole victory. That makes it a win right there in reality.
Okay. Keep your head in the clouds. The world needs more dreamers.
Posted on 7/28/19 at 3:16 am to la_birdman
Point is aTm was not a real loss in the minds of certain LSU folks such as yours truly. 10-3 is official... 11-2 is the truth that goes beyond official:). There are things in the world that are officially part of history that is not how it really was. There is a book that was written in 2002 called 'Everything You Thought is Wrong" LINK Another one is Lies My Teacher Told Me: Everything Your American History Textbook Got Wrong -LINK
I suggest you and some other folks read them. It might change your perception about some things that go on in all facets of life.
I suggest you and some other folks read them. It might change your perception about some things that go on in all facets of life.
This post was edited on 7/28/19 at 3:19 am
Posted on 7/28/19 at 3:20 am to Canwoodtiger
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Point is aTm was not a real loss in the minds of certain LSU folks such as yours truly.
We lost. We got screwed but we lost. That TE caught the pass, made two steps and had possession of the ball before he fumbled. The refs messed us over.
That's how it goes sometimes. Do I like it? No. But all the complaining in the world won't change it. We lost the game.
You believe what you want to believe with what you read. Fact is we lost. It sucks but we did.
You want to make a big thing about it, have at it. I'm not going to participate. I was simply trying to discuss football.
This post was edited on 7/28/19 at 3:22 am
Posted on 7/28/19 at 3:21 am to earl keese
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Okay. Keep your head in the clouds. The world needs more REALISTS.
FIFY. What you call a fantasy is reality. But ignorance is bliss. Folks with a clear mind can see how we were hosed and that we won that game many times over. But officiating and the powers that be were not going to let it happen. But you keep living in your own fantasy world.
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