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Posted on 5/26/11 at 2:50 pm to LSUintheNW
Chung was a rover/safety anyway. Thurmond is the cover corner out of that goup. Ward was another run stuffer and Byrd is a utility guy - a ball hawking safety that can play the run.
On the other hand, this group Oregon has now has much better pure cover skills. Pleasant, the rover, is the one guy I'd categorize as run stuffer/hard hitter.
On the other hand, this group Oregon has now has much better pure cover skills. Pleasant, the rover, is the one guy I'd categorize as run stuffer/hard hitter.
Posted on 5/26/11 at 2:52 pm to LSUintheNW
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To be fair to chung, he didn't start playing ball til the tenth grade I believe.
I can't comment on his college abilities, but we Patriots fans love him. Second coming of Rodney Harrison.
Posted on 5/26/11 at 2:56 pm to Jcorye1
Coach Neal is putting dbs into the league at an extraordinary clip right now. Cliff will be first rounder and the guys behind him have it written all over them. Boyett might come out early in next year's draft as well. That would be six in 4 years. With Harris projected in the first round, two 2nd rouders, and a thurmond dropped due to a knee injury but still went in the 4th.
Posted on 5/26/11 at 2:57 pm to bisonduck
You don't have to explain ANYTHING about the Ducks to me. I adopted them before you started to follow them. 92 right?
Posted on 5/26/11 at 3:06 pm to Prominentwon
I guarantee if this were in Baton Rouge he would have made the same statement about playing in Tennessee being hot. lol
Posted on 5/26/11 at 3:06 pm to LSUintheNW
I didn't mean to reply to your post NW. It was meant towards the Pat fan.
Posted on 5/26/11 at 3:07 pm to bisonduck
Posted on 5/26/11 at 3:11 pm to CajunFootball
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I love how people think Auburn didn't dominate both lines all game. Cam finally came down from Tebow level and played like a normal person, and the game was close.
They had the edge at the LOS sure but spread systems are designed to negate a team’s ability to dominate with their DL. Where it might have looked like Auburn’s DL was having an extreme edge the entire game, they were in fact being optioned off or countered off of. They had the edge, sure, but this wasn’t LSU 2003 vs. Oklahoma.
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Yeah drake was our best D-lineman, but this is LSU an each year another person steps up and plays equally as good as last years star. D-line is better this year as a whole then it was last year.
LOL this can’t be serious? I love our depth at DL but we still don’t have a dominant player. We have a potential stud in Montgomery, but he’s still not proven for an entire season. I do believe our DEs will be better this year, but our DTs will in no way shape or form be better.
Not only do we lose Nevis but we lose Pep who was our number 3 DT last year. We have a lot of bodies but no dominant player. Brockers is consistent but not dominant. Downs has never been able to stay healthy. Ego still doesn’t have a clue what he’s doing. Logan is meh. Davenport was moved to OL cause he’s got the explosiveness of a snail. We’re counting on a freshmen in Freak to be a serious contributor for God’s sake.
And I know he’s an all-time stud, but when was the last time LSU had to rely on a freshmen at DT? And we’ve signed stud freshmen DTs in the past. And I hear another LSU fan say “well DT is the easiest position to learn, you just blow shite up” I’m gonna lose it. DT is arguably the hardest position to learn. You have to learn how to diagnose so many different blocking schemes instantly and know how to defeat each.
If you think he’s just gonna be barreling in there like a bull in a china cabinet then they’re just gonna use his aggression off him all game and there will be gaping holes. He has to learn how to defeat 9 different blocking schemes (reach, fan, double-team, power scoop, loose scoop, O-scheme, G-scheme, T-fold, and veer release). Granted some are variations and combinations that have similar keys, but they all need to recognizable and defeatable. DT is extremely difficult to play as a true freshmen unless you are a space-eater which he is not.
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An I never said we would destory them. I don't think we win by more then 10. It'll be close, but I think our experience, strength and size win it.
You didn't, but many did.
Posted on 5/26/11 at 3:13 pm to LSUintheNW
You adopted them before '92...that's a true fan. I was in middle school, so I have an excuse for jumping on when we went to the Rose Bowl. I thought the world was basketball and the TrailBlazers. 
Posted on 5/26/11 at 3:15 pm to Prominentwon
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In comparison to Boise St.
no way LSU can match up with them or the Ducks....can LSU back out?
Posted on 5/26/11 at 3:16 pm to FootballNostradamus
Rec'd for knowledge. I still think LSU wins but the hubris of some fans without any fact.
Posted on 5/26/11 at 3:18 pm to FootballNostradamus
I don't think we're better than we were last year, but I also think 95%+ of the country would trade their DT depth with ours.
Posted on 5/26/11 at 3:27 pm to Jcorye1
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I don't think we're better than we were last year, but I also think 95%+ of the country would trade their DT depth with ours.
It sounds like you guys have a lot of bodies but the point is a game changer is needed to stifle the rush offense of Oregon, a la Fairley. Even with Fairley a couple of better decisions from DT unlocks that defense. On the first series DT pitches the ball back to LMJ who is covered and he has a wide upen lane 10 yards up the field. That was one of a 5 decisions that had me scratching my head. Darron was a sophmore, so hopefully he is better next year in the option.
The point is I have been asking Tiger fans who is going to be the menace? Most point to Montgomery and Johnson, a guy rehabbing his knee and a true frosh. It's silly to think that is a given. Possible. Yes.
Likewise, 7 bodies at DT isn't going to change this game. It will require one of the DT to get consistent penetration without playing out of scheme. It takes time to get up to speed at DT. Most want to say just blow up the line. However, Fairley was 2nd year player and absent his first year with two years of JUCO under his belt.
Posted on 5/26/11 at 3:32 pm to bisonduck
Bison one post I will love you then the next post will get me cajun pissed.
Stop fricking with me
Stop fricking with me
Posted on 5/26/11 at 3:34 pm to bisonduck
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Likewise, 7 bodies at DT isn't going to change this game. It will require one of the DT to get consistent penetration without playing out of scheme.
Meh, I think Brokers will be able to get constant pressure out of the DT position. I don't think it's going to be a blood bath, but I do like our chances on defense.
Posted on 5/26/11 at 3:40 pm to Jcorye1
We'll have to see what comes out of fall camp. If Johnson is regularly blowing up the line then I will "freak out."
Posted on 5/26/11 at 3:43 pm to bisonduck
quote:I don't think we will have a menace in the sense of Nick Fairley blowing up the middle every play, however, i do think our DT's are talented enough to negate a lot of rushing up the middle, forcing your backs to the outside, which is what Chavis' gameplan ias hoping for, because we will often be blitzing our nickel back (Tyrann Mathiau) and our linebackers (Karnell Hatcher, a converted safety). Our ends are super speedy, an should do a decent job of containing rushes around the edge of the lines, so I would expect those players listed to have a lot of tackles near the line of scrimmage after runners get bounced to the outside.
The point is I have been asking Tiger fans who is going to be the menace?
Posted on 5/26/11 at 3:44 pm to FootballNostradamus
Good post. However, one critique: I think in your effort to be objective, you sell our defensive line short. To be sure, it's a question of degree but I see Brockers becoming a monster here. Afterall, Drake steadily improved each season. He was not nearly as dominant in 2009 or 08 as he was in 2010. Brockers is bigger, stronger and steadily improving. He was our second best tackle last season and he is ready to make the next step. As for Freak, to be clear, he'll only have a minor role v UO. He'll be the 4th or 5th tackle off the bench. Maybe get a dozen snaps. He's mentioned in the context of the quality of our depth. We have a very good line without him.
Posted on 5/26/11 at 3:46 pm to bisonduck
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It sounds like you guys have a lot of bodies but the point is a game changer is needed to stifle the rush offense of Oregon, a la Fairley. Even with Fairley a couple of better decisions from DT unlocks that defense. On the first series DT pitches the ball back to LMJ who is covered and he has a wide upen lane 10 yards up the field. That was one of a 5 decisions that had me scratching my head. Darron was a sophmore, so hopefully he is better next year in the option.
You’re not kidding! I know Oregon changed their read in that game (they tried to option off Fairley and run a tighter zone as opposed to off the backside DE) but Thomas literally looked drunk at times in that game. I haven’t seen him miss that many reads in a long LONG time (probably ever to be honest).
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Likewise, 7 bodies at DT isn't going to change this game. It will require one of the DT to get consistent penetration without playing out of scheme. It takes time to get up to speed at DT. Most want to say just blow up the line. However, Fairley was 2nd year player and absent his first year with two years of JUCO under his belt.
I kinda agree with you here. I don’t believe we have that player who can stepup and be the dominant DT like we’ve had in years past. Trust me I’m wrong but I don’t see it. Maybe by season’s end with Freak but he’s the only one who has elite potential on this line to be a true gamechanger. Many will say Brockers and Brockers is a damn good DT but he’s not the kind that will be blowing up plays constantly (atleast he wasn’t asked to last year). Last year he was to occupy blockers while Nevis penetrated. Maybe he has the capacity to move into that role, but I doubt they move him to the 3-tech. He just doesn’t seem natural there.
Also, it helps LSU that we have such depth, but at the same time it’s so damn difficult to substitute against Oregon that we’re not gonna be able to run 4 DL off the field after each play like we’ve done at times. You can’t utilize what’s not on the field. It’ll be the same thing when we play a team like Bama. It won’t matter that we go almost 3 deep at DB when they’re running double TE sets the whole game.
Again I still think LSU wins in the end, but I think it’ll be damn close.
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