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re: People calling for Jarrett Lee...
Posted on 10/11/09 at 7:08 pm to desitiger
Posted on 10/11/09 at 7:08 pm to desitiger
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On the 4th and 1 yard to go call, why pass the ball when you havent passed all night. Or if you want to pass, why not crowd the line and make it look like a run and throw to the tight end like GA did on us last week.
These are all very good points that our OC has no answer for...
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Posted on 10/11/09 at 7:11 pm to cardee2003
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All our QBs suck
sad, but probably true
Posted on 10/11/09 at 7:12 pm to cepheid
I would like to see Jarrett Lee get to play a couple of series against Auburn.
But that being said, changing QB's is not going to address the problems with the LSU offense long-term this season, which is that the offensive line is not dominant. The best friend of a young QB is a good running game and LSU cannot rush the football on a consistent basis.
Whenever LSU is faced with third and long, the drive is essentially over because you have a young QB who has clearly had it drilled into him to not throw the football unless he has a receiver wide open. Longer down and distances require more time for the receivers to come open, which means the pass rush has more time to get in JJ's face. Thus, you have a QB being coached to hang onto the ball and, as a result, has become trigger shy, coupled with an offensive line that has had trouble run blocking and pass blocking consistently. A vicious cycle of sorts.
The ONLY hope for LSU to improve offensively is for Les Miles to get his hands out of the offensive play calling and allow Gary Crowton to do what he does best, which is to create mismatches by utitlizing LSU's personnel.
I have followed Crowton's career well enough to know that LSU's offense this year in general and last night specifically is not his idea of offense. I fully believe Miles, if not actually calling the initial play, is the one making the audibles on the sideline, thereby making the offense essentially his own. And you see what the results have been.
At some point, you have to let the play makers use their talents to make plays by opening up the play calling as we do not have the ability on the offensive line to play smash mouth football. Where is Russell Shepard? Where are end arounds and reverses to Trindon? Brandon Lafell? Where are deep fly patterns and posts to TT? Where is throwing to the tight end? Where is throwing to Keiland Williams out of the backfield? Did we suddenly lose these plays from the playbook?
LSU has not lost the plays, LSU has lost its play caller as I think Miles has taken charge of the offense. The results speak for themselves. Let Crowton do what he is being paid to do.
But that being said, changing QB's is not going to address the problems with the LSU offense long-term this season, which is that the offensive line is not dominant. The best friend of a young QB is a good running game and LSU cannot rush the football on a consistent basis.
Whenever LSU is faced with third and long, the drive is essentially over because you have a young QB who has clearly had it drilled into him to not throw the football unless he has a receiver wide open. Longer down and distances require more time for the receivers to come open, which means the pass rush has more time to get in JJ's face. Thus, you have a QB being coached to hang onto the ball and, as a result, has become trigger shy, coupled with an offensive line that has had trouble run blocking and pass blocking consistently. A vicious cycle of sorts.
The ONLY hope for LSU to improve offensively is for Les Miles to get his hands out of the offensive play calling and allow Gary Crowton to do what he does best, which is to create mismatches by utitlizing LSU's personnel.
I have followed Crowton's career well enough to know that LSU's offense this year in general and last night specifically is not his idea of offense. I fully believe Miles, if not actually calling the initial play, is the one making the audibles on the sideline, thereby making the offense essentially his own. And you see what the results have been.
At some point, you have to let the play makers use their talents to make plays by opening up the play calling as we do not have the ability on the offensive line to play smash mouth football. Where is Russell Shepard? Where are end arounds and reverses to Trindon? Brandon Lafell? Where are deep fly patterns and posts to TT? Where is throwing to the tight end? Where is throwing to Keiland Williams out of the backfield? Did we suddenly lose these plays from the playbook?
LSU has not lost the plays, LSU has lost its play caller as I think Miles has taken charge of the offense. The results speak for themselves. Let Crowton do what he is being paid to do.
This post was edited on 10/11/09 at 7:13 pm
Posted on 10/11/09 at 7:12 pm to southernelite
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the one where Jefferson pitches 5 feet from the sideline on the short side of the field and loses 3-4 yards by pitching to late to save his own arse?
That's the one...
This post was edited on 10/11/09 at 7:12 pm
Posted on 10/11/09 at 7:15 pm to chilge1
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I would also love to hear your case about how Jefferson's play is not responsible for us losing to Florida.
Why don't you tell me how his play is responsible for us losing to Florida? He had the same number of completions as Tebow, with one more incomplete pass. Crowton is calling the plays - and his play-calling, IMO, has been pitiful. How many times was he sacked last night that it was his fault? I agree with you - he has to get rid of the ball sooner. That sack on 4th down was definitely his fault. But I'm just saying that he hasn't turned the ball over like we saw last year, up until the Arkansas and Georgia Tech game.
Posted on 10/11/09 at 7:19 pm to mkemp0113
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hasn't turned the ball over like we saw last year
so you missed his int and fumble last night?
Posted on 10/11/09 at 7:19 pm to mkemp0113
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Why don't you tell me how his play is responsible for us losing to Florida? He had the same number of completions as Tebow, with one more incomplete pass. Crowton is calling the plays - and his play-calling, IMO, has been pitiful. How many times was he sacked last night that it was his fault? I agree with you - he has to get rid of the ball sooner. That sack on 4th down was definitely his fault. But I'm just saying that he hasn't turned the ball over like we saw last year, up until the Arkansas and Georgia Tech game.
Tebow throws to his primary wide receiver. Jefferson checks down to his second option. He may have a great completion percentage, but his yards per completion was frankly horrible - amazing considering the number of times receiver that got open went unnoticed. If he doesn't turn the ball over, but doesn't get us a first down, I don't see the difference.
Posted on 10/11/09 at 7:22 pm to bmy
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With Jefferson leading this offense we average 21 PPG. That is bad.
Go back and calculate the ACTUAL points per game that the offense scored. I think the Defense may be close to having as many scores as the offense. JK
No but seriosuly. Posted on 10/11/09 at 7:25 pm to chilge1
Jordan Jefferson was 11 for 17 last night and we had 3 dropped passes. I'm not saying he was great by any means but people sure do have a short memory of Lee from last year. Jefferson is a true sophomore, it will take time.
Last night we passed the ball to get in the red zone but yet they don't call one pass play to try and get in the end zone. That's not Jefferson's fault. Also, one reason why we averaged 31 points last year was b/c we were down so much that we had to pass the ball non stop.
Last night we passed the ball to get in the red zone but yet they don't call one pass play to try and get in the end zone. That's not Jefferson's fault. Also, one reason why we averaged 31 points last year was b/c we were down so much that we had to pass the ball non stop.
Posted on 10/11/09 at 7:26 pm to mkemp0113
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Why don't you tell me how his play is responsible for us losing to Florida?
I don't think all of the blame should be put on jj for this loss.
But can you convince yourself that the offense would have looked worse with Lee behind center?
Posted on 10/11/09 at 7:26 pm to chilge1
We have 2 offensive tackles who regularly execute the "LOOK OUT" block and a QB who looks uncertain and confused.We also are not running plays that get the ball in the hands of our playmakers in space. It's almost as bad as the Charlie Mac days of up the middle ,around the end , pass, punt.I've always been a Les supporter but my patience grows thin.
Posted on 10/11/09 at 7:37 pm to LSU1018
Through 6 games last year, Lee was
84/141 for 1032 yards and 8 TDs with 6 INTs
Jefferson:
91/145 for 1016 yards and 7 TDs with 3 INTs
When you consider that Lee's statistics came while sharing duties with Andrew Hatch, I think it's safe to say that we were moving the ball MUCH better last year.
84/141 for 1032 yards and 8 TDs with 6 INTs
Jefferson:
91/145 for 1016 yards and 7 TDs with 3 INTs
When you consider that Lee's statistics came while sharing duties with Andrew Hatch, I think it's safe to say that we were moving the ball MUCH better last year.
Posted on 10/11/09 at 7:37 pm to Cash
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The offensive line blocked fairly well last night.
We're talking about LSU here, not UF. The O-line failed to block THREE rushers - 3! Hitt and T-Bob managed to get spanked by the same DT on the same play multiple times. Black gets blown up. Dwarsuck should move to TE as he manages to go untouched on many a play. Barksdale is still trying to figure out what he is suppose to do on a passing play. The O-line blows, hands down. As for the QB position, the problem is Crowton - period. The most telling comment was about JJ after the UGA game:
ESPN article
"Crowton told Jefferson to throw a play-action pass to Brandon LaFell on second down. But Jefferson persuaded his coach into changing the play, telling him to give it to Scott again."
And this I see as the problem, with JJ and with JL - Crowton is telling these guys where to go with the ball. JL last year was looking at 1 reciever and forcing balls to people. JJ this year looks 10 times better when time is limited and there is no 'check with me' sideline look. On 'normal' plays, JJ looks to his one guy and if its not open, he runs or eats a sack. Crowton has no faith in these guys and thusly, they have no faith in themselves. The QBs are handcuffed by bad playcalling and even worse QB coaching, as the OC won't let them be playmakers.
Something has to give or Crowton has to go - he is holding back our talent because he doesn't 'trust' them to be the playmakers they could be.
Posted on 10/11/09 at 7:39 pm to RobbBobb
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so you missed his int and fumble last night?
I have nothing for the fumble, but the interception was thrown with 40-something seconds left in the half. Tolliver turned in, JJ threw the ball outside, which seems reasonable considering the though would be to stop the clock. Not sure who was at fault there.
The plays to get the ball in the hands of the playmakers are not being called. Why no quick slants to Tolliver or Lafell? Why no bubble screens? The pathetic attempt to run the option has not worked yet. And it really sets up nothing.
Posted on 10/11/09 at 7:42 pm to RelocatedPelican
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Something has to give or Crowton has to go - he is holding back our talent because he doesn't 'trust' them to be the playmakers they could be.
Exactly!
Posted on 10/11/09 at 7:42 pm to mkemp0113
uh, the fumble was on 4th down. just as bad as a pick, prob worse, cuz a pick is usually downfield
Posted on 10/11/09 at 7:43 pm to mkemp0113
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I have nothing for the fumble, but the interception was thrown with 40-something seconds left in the half. Tolliver turned in, JJ threw the ball outside, which seems reasonable considering the though would be to stop the clock. Not sure who was at fault there.
The plays to get the ball in the hands of the playmakers are not being called. Why no quick slants to Tolliver or Lafell? Why no bubble screens? The pathetic attempt to run the option has not worked yet. And it really sets up nothing.
The thought was just to get into field goal range. It's impossible to tell who was to blame on a QB-WR miscommunication, but it's not as if we were playing to score the winning TD.
Do you really want to go back to the bubble screens?
Posted on 10/11/09 at 7:44 pm to PistolFan
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Are you frickin kidding me?
agree. Drew Brees would of had a tough time last night considering the fact we haven't blocked anybody. some of it is JJ's fault for not getting rid of the ball.
Posted on 10/11/09 at 7:44 pm to PistolFan
frick the rantards..J Lee is not the answer...Jefferson is ...better more creative play calling is the answer....Lee has not changed...
Posted on 10/11/09 at 7:46 pm to chilge1
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Do you really want to go back to the bubble screens?
Better chance for results than the option IMO
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