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re: PETA type article about Mike The Tiger
Posted on 3/11/09 at 5:51 pm to EST
Posted on 3/11/09 at 5:51 pm to EST
I've tried t battle on this blog, but these people are pissing the frick out of me. One fricker said that the reason the country is where it is today is b/c of the left, and the right has never contributed anything important to this country. frick em'
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Posted on 3/11/09 at 6:34 pm to Pilot Tiger
quote:
On various internet message boards, in their customary barely literate verbiage, LSU fans retaliated with hatred, vitriol and death threats toward members of PETA. This is no surprise. It is similarly no surprise that LSU’s tiger is agitated and refusing to attend games. LSU is having serious problems with Mike VI and this should have been yet more ample evidence to the University of Memphis that humanity and American culture has evolved past the point of using live tiger mascots.
I've never been prouder of the Rant. And as far as attending the games, if you saw how the whole co-DC thing worked out, you'd know why Mike didn't want to attend the games.
Posted on 3/11/09 at 6:44 pm to kclsufan
quote:
lichen said on March 11th, 2009 at 4:26pm #
I think it is good if stupid trolls (right wing football fans and non-dissidents who have nothing to do with this site) be barred from posting in response to such a great article as this. It is unethical, stupid, and wasteful to enslave a tiger and force it to sit around during inane sports games.
And I wonder why I hate hypocritical liberals?
Posted on 3/11/09 at 6:45 pm to mlttiger
I sent a few but it doesn't look like there are going to be added so I am going to post them here:
MJ-
Please parse this sentence:
"On various internet message boards, in their customary barely literate verbiage, LSU fans retaliated with hatred, vitriol and death threats toward members of PETA."
How exactly is it obvious from that sentence that you are only talking about "the people who were posting death threats were doing so in typical fashion"? If you want to apologies, apologies. Don't blame the reader for reading your article as it is written.
As for your philosophical position, your belief that animals have and are entitled to rights is far from an obvious or inescapable conclusion. Humans rights are a necessary component and consequence of civil society. Animals being outside of civil society are not entitled to have such protections, nor, frankly, should they have them since they, as far as we can tell, will never have the capacity to participate in body politic. The protections of human rights and liberties should not be cheapened by trying to extend them to animals. If you want to really limit cruelty to animals and protect endangered species, drop this pretentious argument about animals being entitled to life in their natural environment and start embracing human uses for endangered animals, which invest human beings in their protection if only for the satisfaction of human beings wants and desires. Going after live mascots isn't the way to protect endangered species. It is a way to further isolate and remove your every day human from being in any way invested in such a species ultimate survival.
"Again, it's not about life expectancy, it's about the quality of life. So the tiger lives longer . . . . cooped up in a cage rather than roaming free."
I don't think a tiger is all that concerned with its quality of life. You are anthropomorphizing tigers (and animals in general) and contributing to them qualities they do not possess.
lichen:
Great position. It must make it easy to believe all sorts of bs by limiting yourself to speaking with and engaging with only those people that agree with your political and ethical positions. Do you also fail to see the irony of a Dissident site banning dissenting opinions? I may be the only one amused by that.
MJ-
Please parse this sentence:
"On various internet message boards, in their customary barely literate verbiage, LSU fans retaliated with hatred, vitriol and death threats toward members of PETA."
How exactly is it obvious from that sentence that you are only talking about "the people who were posting death threats were doing so in typical fashion"? If you want to apologies, apologies. Don't blame the reader for reading your article as it is written.
As for your philosophical position, your belief that animals have and are entitled to rights is far from an obvious or inescapable conclusion. Humans rights are a necessary component and consequence of civil society. Animals being outside of civil society are not entitled to have such protections, nor, frankly, should they have them since they, as far as we can tell, will never have the capacity to participate in body politic. The protections of human rights and liberties should not be cheapened by trying to extend them to animals. If you want to really limit cruelty to animals and protect endangered species, drop this pretentious argument about animals being entitled to life in their natural environment and start embracing human uses for endangered animals, which invest human beings in their protection if only for the satisfaction of human beings wants and desires. Going after live mascots isn't the way to protect endangered species. It is a way to further isolate and remove your every day human from being in any way invested in such a species ultimate survival.
"Again, it's not about life expectancy, it's about the quality of life. So the tiger lives longer . . . . cooped up in a cage rather than roaming free."
I don't think a tiger is all that concerned with its quality of life. You are anthropomorphizing tigers (and animals in general) and contributing to them qualities they do not possess.
lichen:
Great position. It must make it easy to believe all sorts of bs by limiting yourself to speaking with and engaging with only those people that agree with your political and ethical positions. Do you also fail to see the irony of a Dissident site banning dissenting opinions? I may be the only one amused by that.
This post was edited on 3/11/09 at 6:47 pm
Posted on 3/11/09 at 6:48 pm to glaucon
Hey I'll post it under my name if you would like, b/c they aren't checking mine anymore and they are going right on the board
but its up to you, I don't want you to see it on the board and be like somebody stole my idea.
but its up to you, I don't want you to see it on the board and be like somebody stole my idea.
Posted on 3/11/09 at 6:49 pm to mlttiger
Go for it as it has been over an hour.
Posted on 3/11/09 at 6:53 pm to glaucon
I just posted it, can you see it on the website
Posted on 3/11/09 at 6:56 pm to mlttiger
And let me know if you want to post anything else, and I can do it for you, I'm posting under Michael
Posted on 3/11/09 at 6:59 pm to mlttiger
Thank you much. Highly moderate message boards just are not the way to go. It just makes replies and the conversation in the thread awkward. Moderating after posts are made live is just a better system.
Posted on 3/11/09 at 7:03 pm to glaucon
Definitely, plus its surprising coming from liberals who are so eager to protect the 1st amendment, i find it kinda ironic haha
Posted on 3/11/09 at 7:46 pm to mlttiger
quote:
As for the rest of your comments. It’s clear to me you are incapable of thinking for yourself but instead regurgitate every lie your stupid parents and ministers have told from the day you came out of your mother’s womb. You are ignorant, misinformed and arrogant. You have no soul, no creativity, no culture and little intellect. You lack all critical thinking skills and are incapable of logic and reason. You, my friend, are the worst kind of American there is. One who knows nothing about their country but a bunch of disgusting lies and half truths. Bless your heart, Michael, your whole life is based on lies.
That is what you get when you try yo share your opinions with liberals, I take great offense to this and I she is lucky that she is on the fricking internet
Posted on 3/11/09 at 7:57 pm to mikethetiger
This article was sent to me by someone who thought I might be interested in the issues raised, what I found was one of those gems of nonsense that turn up with increasing frequency on the internet.
First, how utterly hypocritical it is for the author of the original piece and his second, to lecture others from an assumed and comfortable perspective of civilization, all the while denying the ‘wild tiger’ the same privilege.
Apparently, this tiger has to live exactly according to Mr. Jaynes’ conception of how he should. Whatever freedom Mr. Jaynes believes this animal deserves, it apparently does not include an escape from the identity to which he’s been sentenced: as a beast incapable of enjoying regular meals, the warmth of a den, or the Italiniate tower, which is the center piece of his $3.2 million home. (The median cost of a home in the United States is less than $300,000).
When faced with the details of his care and treatment by veterinarians in a luxurious environment, (albeit next to a stadium, whose architecture does vaguely recall the Roman Coliseum where animals were in fact put on exhibition of violence), the authors claim that his humane treatment does not ease their ethical positions on captivity? How can they claim to care about animals at all if they are indifferent as to how they are treated?
The most ridiculous part comes from the author who suggests placing the tiger, with his “cage” left open, in the savannah and “betting” if he would remain or stay. Exhibition is unacceptable, but wagering for the sake of a hypothetical illustration is okay?
No one chooses to grow up in the wild.
Good god, man, have you ever tried to chase a gazelle at 25-30 mph, your heart racing, your stomach burning with hunger, your eyes welling with the taste of him, only to have it suddenly break into the clear, lost for the night? Do you think the tiger chooses the wild at that moment? Have you ever faced the duress of hunting down your dinner ever night? I’m sure there are a few delightful moments with the wind in your hair and the intoxication of the chase etc., but more than a few ‘wild’ animals would tell you that humans were on to something thousands of years ago, when they began taking meals on a set schedule.
Do you think the unfortunate gazelle would choose that wild, before his body is gnashed into pieces? Before he is skinned alive? Do you think the gazelle would not choose the comfort of captivity in that moment?
No, of course not.
Good sir, I am writing to you from the 3rd floor of an office building on Madison Avenue where I work in an advertising agency writing copy to sell pharmaceuticals. That is how I get my food. Do you think that any sentient human being chooses to do this? MIke the Tiger has not been “used” any more than I have. Do you think we would not all leave, if our cages were left open as it were, if we could get food elsewhere? Of course!
The tiger at LSU was apparently born in “captivity”, and has been allowed to live in an environment beyond its wildest, or domesticated imagination. We cannot speak sensibly about the ethical treatment of wild animals, when the human population threatens their natural environments worldwide. What does it mean to treat animals ethically by resigning their lives to starvation, or other maltreatment no matter the environment?
Indeed, dissident voices are needed to address those issues. We should all be thinking about them.
But life is too short not to enjoy it with some good goofballery. For that reason, thanks for the article.
First, how utterly hypocritical it is for the author of the original piece and his second, to lecture others from an assumed and comfortable perspective of civilization, all the while denying the ‘wild tiger’ the same privilege.
Apparently, this tiger has to live exactly according to Mr. Jaynes’ conception of how he should. Whatever freedom Mr. Jaynes believes this animal deserves, it apparently does not include an escape from the identity to which he’s been sentenced: as a beast incapable of enjoying regular meals, the warmth of a den, or the Italiniate tower, which is the center piece of his $3.2 million home. (The median cost of a home in the United States is less than $300,000).
When faced with the details of his care and treatment by veterinarians in a luxurious environment, (albeit next to a stadium, whose architecture does vaguely recall the Roman Coliseum where animals were in fact put on exhibition of violence), the authors claim that his humane treatment does not ease their ethical positions on captivity? How can they claim to care about animals at all if they are indifferent as to how they are treated?
The most ridiculous part comes from the author who suggests placing the tiger, with his “cage” left open, in the savannah and “betting” if he would remain or stay. Exhibition is unacceptable, but wagering for the sake of a hypothetical illustration is okay?
No one chooses to grow up in the wild.
Good god, man, have you ever tried to chase a gazelle at 25-30 mph, your heart racing, your stomach burning with hunger, your eyes welling with the taste of him, only to have it suddenly break into the clear, lost for the night? Do you think the tiger chooses the wild at that moment? Have you ever faced the duress of hunting down your dinner ever night? I’m sure there are a few delightful moments with the wind in your hair and the intoxication of the chase etc., but more than a few ‘wild’ animals would tell you that humans were on to something thousands of years ago, when they began taking meals on a set schedule.
Do you think the unfortunate gazelle would choose that wild, before his body is gnashed into pieces? Before he is skinned alive? Do you think the gazelle would not choose the comfort of captivity in that moment?
No, of course not.
Good sir, I am writing to you from the 3rd floor of an office building on Madison Avenue where I work in an advertising agency writing copy to sell pharmaceuticals. That is how I get my food. Do you think that any sentient human being chooses to do this? MIke the Tiger has not been “used” any more than I have. Do you think we would not all leave, if our cages were left open as it were, if we could get food elsewhere? Of course!
The tiger at LSU was apparently born in “captivity”, and has been allowed to live in an environment beyond its wildest, or domesticated imagination. We cannot speak sensibly about the ethical treatment of wild animals, when the human population threatens their natural environments worldwide. What does it mean to treat animals ethically by resigning their lives to starvation, or other maltreatment no matter the environment?
Indeed, dissident voices are needed to address those issues. We should all be thinking about them.
But life is too short not to enjoy it with some good goofballery. For that reason, thanks for the article.
Posted on 3/11/09 at 8:00 pm to Cajuncharger
quote:
My response:
"To Mike Jaynes:
"I was pleased to have a small part in bringing PETA into the fight in Louisiana to outlaw the brutal hog/dog rodeo and I was equally pleased to see the organization fight against cock fighting, just as I was when I used my newspaper to publicize the alleged shooting of pets in St. Bernard Parish after Hurricane Katrina; in which I used another animal rights group's information.
"I support your right to your opinion but I have to say that with all of the animal abuses in this country - and around the world for that matter - I would've thought there were more important issues that could be addressed rather than attacking universities that have live mascots that are loved, revered and treated to the best food, medical care and environments that the universities' supporters can afford. Which is substantial, for your information.
"In fact, I put it to you that you should use your energy, your funds and your cyber space to attack the problem of pet over-population in our cities. Each day, thousands of cats and dogs starve to death on our streets and thousands of others are euthanized.
"If you were truly concerned about animals this would be a more worthy subject. Of course, there just isn't as much publicity involved and that would amount to fewer contributions."
that was an awesome response.
Posted on 3/11/09 at 8:10 pm to triplesauce
triplesause did you put that on the website? or comment on the website whatever?
Posted on 3/11/09 at 8:14 pm to mlttiger
The Habitat that Mike lives in is far nicer than the Tiger Den at the San Diego Zoo
Posted on 3/11/09 at 8:28 pm to Lithium
Some things not mentioned in the article or comments:
1. Bevo
2. Auburn was not able to keep the eagle on campus for a period of time due to animal cruelty.
3. LSU receives hundreds of letters each week from these nuts. Some are respectful and provide valid arguments. Most are not. These go as far as to threaten Mike if he is not released. Others simple threaten to free him during classes. There also is the occasional threat to University facilities.
4. UGA - the dog has to sit on ice because it is so hot on the field.
1. Bevo
2. Auburn was not able to keep the eagle on campus for a period of time due to animal cruelty.
3. LSU receives hundreds of letters each week from these nuts. Some are respectful and provide valid arguments. Most are not. These go as far as to threaten Mike if he is not released. Others simple threaten to free him during classes. There also is the occasional threat to University facilities.
4. UGA - the dog has to sit on ice because it is so hot on the field.
Posted on 3/11/09 at 10:23 pm to mikethetiger
Mike lives better than most students do. PETA is now just getting desperate to get into the news.
But I think we are all members of:
People
Eat
Tasty
Animals
mmmm good
But I think we are all members of:
People
Eat
Tasty
Animals
mmmm good
Posted on 3/11/09 at 11:02 pm to mikethetiger
LSU ALUM said on March 11th, 2009 at 5:37pm #
Mike,
As an alum of LSU with a BS in Zoology and an MD, I read your article with obvious interest. I have also contributed routinely to WWF for Tiger preservation, so I’m sorta on your side. However, as it usually seems to be the case with any “crying Liberal cause” ,you’ve gone too far and judged people, fans, institutions motives without doing your own research and knowing the facts.( Don’t let the facts get in the way of trying to stir up emotions!) I have not seen a TAOS facility but sincerely doubt it would be better or more “Tiger friendly” than the multi-million dollar habitat that Mike has. Have you seen either LSU or TAOS in order to make your demand? Also, if we did not take “Roscoe” from Great Cats of Indiana to become “MIKE”, where would Roscoe be? In a cage in Indiana! (Another liberal answer to a dilemma, don’t let reality get in way of trying to make themselves feel better about a”cause”)
You applaud Clemson, Missouri, and Auburn rightfully so for their efforts ,but condemn LSU and Memphis for wanting to maintain “tradition”; however, you also fail to mention those 3 schools NEVER had a live mascot before so they have NO TRADITION IN THIS AREA!
In short , most LSU Tiger fans probably feel your efforts in this article are misdirected at fans and institutions that have actually HELPED the mascots they keep, rather than encouraging more efforts to help the other Tigers in captivity that don’t live like Mike does.
Mike,
As an alum of LSU with a BS in Zoology and an MD, I read your article with obvious interest. I have also contributed routinely to WWF for Tiger preservation, so I’m sorta on your side. However, as it usually seems to be the case with any “crying Liberal cause” ,you’ve gone too far and judged people, fans, institutions motives without doing your own research and knowing the facts.( Don’t let the facts get in the way of trying to stir up emotions!) I have not seen a TAOS facility but sincerely doubt it would be better or more “Tiger friendly” than the multi-million dollar habitat that Mike has. Have you seen either LSU or TAOS in order to make your demand? Also, if we did not take “Roscoe” from Great Cats of Indiana to become “MIKE”, where would Roscoe be? In a cage in Indiana! (Another liberal answer to a dilemma, don’t let reality get in way of trying to make themselves feel better about a”cause”)
You applaud Clemson, Missouri, and Auburn rightfully so for their efforts ,but condemn LSU and Memphis for wanting to maintain “tradition”; however, you also fail to mention those 3 schools NEVER had a live mascot before so they have NO TRADITION IN THIS AREA!
In short , most LSU Tiger fans probably feel your efforts in this article are misdirected at fans and institutions that have actually HELPED the mascots they keep, rather than encouraging more efforts to help the other Tigers in captivity that don’t live like Mike does.
Posted on 3/11/09 at 11:04 pm to mikethetiger
LSU ALUM said on March 11th, 2009 at 6:02pm #
Mike,
Do you really think that if LSU and Memphis did not have live mascots ,the exotic cat trade would GO AWAY? That’s not reality!! LSU and Memphis have at least put 2 already captive Tigers “in good homes”.
Mike,
Do you really think that if LSU and Memphis did not have live mascots ,the exotic cat trade would GO AWAY? That’s not reality!! LSU and Memphis have at least put 2 already captive Tigers “in good homes”.
Posted on 3/11/09 at 11:13 pm to fab4lsu
Mike Jaynes
any way anybody could find this guy or his email?
any way anybody could find this guy or his email?
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