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re: Please chime in on this debate!
Posted on 1/21/15 at 3:08 pm to foghat
Posted on 1/21/15 at 3:08 pm to foghat
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Who is still in the NFL and who is watching NFL at home on tv?
Almost as idiotic an indicator as to which QB was better in 2005 as the suggestion that because Flynn's 10-2 regular season LSU team won the National Title while Russell's 10-2 regular season team did not make it that makes Flynn a better QB.
I'd agree...if Flynn had put up better numbers, had beaten better opponents, had lost to better opponents, and had not needed so much outside help to have LSU move from #7 to #2 in the final poll.
Did I mention Flynn didn't even take a snap in the SECCG that LSU needed to win in order to even PLAY for this title that seems to make Flynn better? did I mention Flynn's last pass in Tiger Stadium was a pick in 3OT game to an unranked Arky team while LSU was #1? Did I mention he was also under center when LSU lost to UK on the road while also being #1?
Yeah...good thing we had Flynn in 2007. Dude was like a god damn rabbit's foot.
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Posted on 1/21/15 at 3:10 pm to foghat
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Who has a national championship ring?
Tee Martin?
Clearly a better QB at TENN than Peyton. I mean...frick, he has a ring!
Posted on 1/21/15 at 3:17 pm to foghat
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Who has a national championship ring?
Yeah, if only JR could have found a way to lead us to a 6-2 SEC record his final year as a starter.
This post was edited on 1/21/15 at 3:18 pm
Posted on 1/21/15 at 3:19 pm to GeauxTigerTM
Did you mention that JR never got to #1 except in the NFL draft and is now considered the biggest bust in draft history?
Posted on 1/21/15 at 3:22 pm to Random LSU Hero
J rock son
he was the #1 pick in the draft that year for some reason
he was the #1 pick in the draft that year for some reason
Posted on 1/21/15 at 3:22 pm to foghat
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Think about the pass made by Flynn against Auburn to win the game. JR couldn't have made that pass in his dreams.
Did you see the throw JR made, on the run, to beat Arizona State in 2005?
Did you watch the MSU game that year? He was putting that ball wherever he wanted. Did you watch the ND game? He had better throws than that.
MSU - 18/20 for 330 yards. 3 TDs, 0 Ints.
UK - 15/18 for 226 yards. 2 TDs, 0 Ints
Bama - 18/21 for 207 yards. 3 TDs; 0 Ints
Posted on 1/21/15 at 3:23 pm to foghat
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Did you mention that JR never got to #1 except in the NFL draft and is now considered the biggest bust in draft history?
I guess Flynn would've been a better #1 pick....
He's proven he can't handle a mid round pick
meaningless when it comes to college results
This post was edited on 1/21/15 at 3:24 pm
Posted on 1/21/15 at 3:24 pm to Random LSU Hero
Loved Matt Flynn's work at QB. But before getting injured, JR was the money man.
Posted on 1/21/15 at 3:25 pm to Random LSU Hero
Russell
Posted on 1/21/15 at 3:25 pm to LMfan
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Yeah, if only JR could have found a way to lead us to a 6-2 SEC record his final year as a starter.
If he had thrown one TD pass in the Auburn game, maybe he would have a ring.
Posted on 1/21/15 at 3:25 pm to foghat
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Did you mention that JR never got to #1 except in the NFL draft and is now considered the biggest bust in draft history?
No...I thought you were covering all the shite that has literally nothing to fricking do with whether or not one was better in 2005?
Or was I supposed to handle that part of the argument as well?
Just so dumb...
Posted on 1/21/15 at 3:27 pm to vjm41
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. So many 3 and outs with JR,
Interesting, b/c JR actually had to come out of the game @ Tenn. with a concussion.
LSU went 3 and out and lost yards. That was our only 3 and out of the game
Posted on 1/21/15 at 3:27 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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No...I thought you were covering all the shite that has literally nothing to fricking do with whether or not one was better in 2005?
Or was I supposed to handle that part of the argument as well?
Just so dumb...
The debate for me is who is the better QB. The answer is Flynn.
Posted on 1/21/15 at 3:30 pm to foghat
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The debate for me is who is the better QB.
Then congrats on both being wrong and not being able to answer the question as posed by the OP.
Posted on 1/21/15 at 3:30 pm to foghat
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The debate for me is who is the better QB. The answer is Flynn.
you would not have this opinion if everything else stayed the same and the NFL/draft/pro football didn't exist
This post was edited on 1/21/15 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 1/21/15 at 3:32 pm to foghat
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The debate for me is who is the better QB. The answer is Flynn.
You've already shown to have no idea what you're talking about with this remark:
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Think about the pass made by Flynn against Auburn to win the game. JR couldn't have made that pass in his dreams.
Did you see the throw JR made, on the run, to beat Arizona State in 2005?
Best throw in LSU history - 50 yards, on the run, and hit him with a perfect ball
Did you watch the MSU game that year? He was putting that ball wherever he wanted. Did you watch the ND game? He had better throws than that.
MSU - 18/20 for 330 yards. 3 TDs, 0 Ints.
UK - 15/18 for 226 yards. 2 TDs, 0 Ints
Bama - 18/21 for 207 yards. 3 TDs; 0 Ints
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Damn. Irrefutable. JR couldn't complete a 25 yard pass. You right you right dog.
That's right JR would have overthrown him by 5 yards or thrown at his feet which is another thing he was good at.
Must be why JR had a much higher yards per throw and a much higher completion %.
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This post was edited on 1/21/15 at 3:34 pm
Posted on 1/21/15 at 3:35 pm to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
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you would not have this opinion if everything else stayed the same and the NFL/draft/pro football didn't exist
Nah...there were fricking morons who wanted Flynn to start over Russell the entire time they were both at LSU.
The worst part about this idiotic debate is that I'm forced to throw Matt under the bus, and I hate doing it. I love the guy! H was the first QB to give his commitment that year and stuck around even after we got a commitment from that jackass from N LA gave his and then decide to go to Ole Miss when LSU got JR's commitment late. He waited his turn and was able to make the most of it when he had his shot.
And...let's be honest...dude's living a King's life as an NFL backup. What's not to like about him?
But there's no question Russell was the superior option in 2005 and 2006 and would have been again in 2007 had he stuck around. Best thing to happen to Flynn was JR leaving early. Without that it's unlikely he ever makes a team as a FA without having ever really gotten much PT while at LSU.
Posted on 1/21/15 at 3:37 pm to TigerBait1127
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TigerBait1127
You're trying to rationalize a guy out of a position he did not rationalize himself into.
Good luck!
Posted on 1/21/15 at 3:43 pm to GeauxTigerTM
I would take either Flynn or Mauck as a college QB any day over JR.
Posted on 1/21/15 at 3:50 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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The worst part about this idiotic debate is that I'm forced to throw Matt under the bus, and I hate doing it
Yep, that's the aspect of this I hate. I love Matt, appreciate what he did for LSU, and am amazed that he's been able to parlay one great game into a long, lucrative NFL career.
But this argument is so f'ng stupid. He was never at any point better than J Rock. Russell did things on a football field we'll never see again at Tiger Stadium. He was better physically and statistically, by a rather significant margin.
Love both of them, but it's clear who was the "GUY" and who was just the next guy up. Hate that clowns like this "foghat" character feel the need to trash JR as much as they do, he was one of the 3-4 best QBs LSU has ever had.
This post was edited on 1/21/15 at 3:51 pm
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