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re: QB Regression = Facing #1 Defense
Posted on 10/21/09 at 10:48 am to just me
Posted on 10/21/09 at 10:48 am to just me
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You know better, or you should know better.
we have one of the worst offenses in D1A
you can't bring out the powerhouse Ds that we've faced, because we've faced 2 well-ranked Ds
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Let's try Texas.
13th in total offense
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Let's try USC.
16th in total offense
nobody is saying LSU should be ranked in the top 16 on offense
we are currently ranked 112
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Posted on 10/21/09 at 10:50 am to SlowFlowPro
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he also takes a bunch of sacks
hey you know what? you know what usually happens after a sack? you punt and put your excellent defense back on the field
you know what happens when you force throws that the pick off, they take them back and score or set up their offense in a position that makes your excellent defense weaker than it really is
sacks are bad, INTs get you beat
Posted on 10/21/09 at 10:50 am to SlowFlowPro
this offensive ranking BS - is this about winning games (5-1) or about being entertained while you watch the game
Posted on 10/21/09 at 10:53 am to SlowFlowPro
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Total Defense Rankings:
don't get me wrong, we have problems. but taking that 109th ranking without any thought is silly. do you really think some of those teams ahead of us in that stat have better offenses than us?
Posted on 10/21/09 at 11:09 am to SlowFlowPro
This was the point a poster was trying to make:
quote:He is saying that LSU is #112 and played shitty teams; therefore, LSU's rank will fall when it gets to the meat of its schedule.
We played the easiest part of our schedule and we are ranked as one of the worst offenses in the nation.
bullshite.
The truth is that 95% of the teams played shitty teams to start the season.
Moreover, LSU has played better defenses than 95% of the teams.
Thus:
1. All other football teams started with easier teams and are now facing the meat of their schedule.
2. LSU's offensive stats are at least partially skewed because LSU has faced better defenses than most other teams.
Posted on 10/21/09 at 11:09 am to noonan
well ypp is the best way to judge, but i can't find those rankings sortable anymore. yahoo used to do it
Posted on 10/21/09 at 11:12 am to SlowFlowPro
also just for your benefit
Big Ben is known for avoiding sacks because of his size and strength and pocket presence. Last year the Super Bowl Champions went 12-4 and gave up 46 sacks (2.875/g) in the regular season. His sack % was 8.9% (times sacked/attempts + sacks) He also threw 15 INTs in 469 attpts (3.2% INT rate over 29 attmp/game)
So far in six games JJ has attempted 145 passes and been sacked 5 times (0.83 sacks/g) So his sack % is 3.3%. He has thrown 3 INTs in 148 attmpts (2.02% over 25 attmpt/game)
Big Ben is known for avoiding sacks because of his size and strength and pocket presence. Last year the Super Bowl Champions went 12-4 and gave up 46 sacks (2.875/g) in the regular season. His sack % was 8.9% (times sacked/attempts + sacks) He also threw 15 INTs in 469 attpts (3.2% INT rate over 29 attmp/game)
So far in six games JJ has attempted 145 passes and been sacked 5 times (0.83 sacks/g) So his sack % is 3.3%. He has thrown 3 INTs in 148 attmpts (2.02% over 25 attmpt/game)
Posted on 10/21/09 at 11:15 am to SlowFlowPro
i am just saying i would prefer our offense than having Duke's offense. yet they are #44 in total offense.
Posted on 10/21/09 at 11:20 am to supatigah
i don't think the low INT rates are shocking. JJ holds onto the ball and is scared to throw picks, and when he does throw, it generally is a safe pass. that's why his ypa have been so low in some games. also, holding the ball leads to sacks
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LSU is 107 in sacks allowed, giving up 18 total and 3 per game.
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LSU is 107 in sacks allowed, giving up 18 total and 3 per game.
Posted on 10/21/09 at 11:22 am to supatigah
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So far in six games JJ has attempted 145 passes and been sacked 5 times
I thought he was sacked 5 times against Florida
Posted on 10/21/09 at 11:26 am to SlowFlowPro
the LSUsports.net stats are fricked up and blew my whole point out if the water, they had the UF game sack stats (5-34yrds) as the cumulative season stat totals
my bad
my bad
Posted on 10/21/09 at 11:28 am to supatigah
i thought you got it from ESPN actually. ESPN is really bad when it comes to sack stats for QBs in college for come reason
Posted on 10/21/09 at 11:28 am to supatigah
quote:Steelers sacks per game = 2.875
the LSUsports.net stats are fricked up and blew my whole point out if the water, they had the UF game sack stats (5-34yrds) as the cumulative season stat totals
my bad
LSU sacks per game = 3.000
Steelers = Champions
LSU = ????
Posted on 10/21/09 at 11:31 am to just me
steelers had a truly great defense and a slanted way to determine a champion. LSU doesn't have either luxury
This post was edited on 10/21/09 at 11:32 am
Posted on 10/21/09 at 11:35 am to supatigah
quote:Is he really? I don't think this is true. Phil Steele would say that an 8.9% sack ratio is atrocious.
Big Ben is known for avoiding sacks because of his size and strength and pocket presence.
Posted on 10/21/09 at 11:36 am to just me
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Moreover, LSU has played better defenses than 95% of the teams.
Lets compare apples to apples.
The only cupcake we've played this year has been ULL. Am I correct?
We scored 31 point on them. The very next week Nebraska hung 55 on them. Nebraska is probably a middle of the pack offense. They only mustered 10 points against TexasTech. North Texas scored 34 and Western Kentucky scored 22. This was Western Kentucky's best offensive performance of the year and they are terrible.
What I think most people feel is that with JLee, our offense showed production. The INTs are something to be concerned with, but could be corrected. By all indications if he runs the same type of offense that JJ is running he probably doesn't have near the INT numbers of a year ago.
To be fair, JJ can correct a lot of his mistakes. His mistakes, to the naked eye, seem to stem from not being a pocket passer. He isn't a pocket passer and I would venture to guess that Crowton's playbook isn't centered around a moving pocket. I don't think anyone here understands what it would take to just change almost the entire playbook to get JJ in a moving pocket. Because you can't have him run naked bootlegs every pass play.
The negatives always outweigh the positives for a QB. People seem to see what they want. I'm a little harsh on JJ, but that is because I was never sold on him as an SEC QB from day one (I got to see a lot of him in high school).
Posted on 10/21/09 at 11:37 am to Cold Cous Cous
all we hear about during a steelers game is Big Ben's magical ability to side step, move up or move back in the pocket to avoid the rush and how big and strong he is and so tough to bring down
Posted on 10/21/09 at 11:38 am to DoubleDeuce
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The only cupcake we've played this year has been ULL. Am I correct?
Vandy: 2-5
MSU: 3-4
Posted on 10/21/09 at 11:39 am to supatigah
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all we hear about during a steelers game is Big Ben's magical ability to side step, move up or move back in the pocket to avoid the rush and how big and strong he is and so tough to bring down
while i think all of these are true, he still takes a lot of sacks
that's more due to the steelers' OL being bad at pass protection. they're built to run the ball
if we could run the ball, i wouldn't be too worried, but we can't
Posted on 10/21/09 at 11:41 am to just me
JJ's completion % is the most deceiving stat ever.
they way JJ plays, its very hard to have a productive offense.
they way JJ plays, its very hard to have a productive offense.
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