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re: Rank SEC football coaches
Posted on 2/6/10 at 10:38 pm to WildcatMike
Posted on 2/6/10 at 10:38 pm to WildcatMike
Les should be at least 3
1
Posted on 2/6/10 at 10:54 pm to cardee2003
LSU Football All-Time Winning Coaches:
Charls McClendon 132-59-7....69%
Bennie Moore 83-39-6............67%
Les Miles 51-15.....................77%
Charls McClendon 132-59-7....69%
Bennie Moore 83-39-6............67%
Les Miles 51-15.....................77%
This post was edited on 2/7/10 at 12:04 am
Posted on 2/6/10 at 11:53 pm to Sammich
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Les Miles 51-12.....................77%
He's 51 and 15, but I'm a supporter, so I shouldn't quibble. It doesn't change the winning percentage.
Posted on 2/7/10 at 12:03 am to Ace Midnight
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He's 51 and 15, but I'm a supporter, so I shouldn't quibble. It doesn't change the winning percentage
Yep, I messed it up but will correct. Thanks.
Posted on 2/7/10 at 12:12 am to lsufball19
Right now Miles is top 4. Spurrier is just a name now. If he did at LSU what he is doing at South Carolina, fans would want him fired his first year and everyone after that. Right now Urban, Saban, Miles and Richt are up there. Only three of those have BCS titles and Miles gets credit no matter who you claim brought the players in because he coached the team that won the title. He keeps bringing in top ten classes. So really right now he is probably top 3 in the SEC.
Posted on 2/7/10 at 1:28 am to cj2002
This is a complicated question. LSU is a lot more talented than many of the SEC teams. I give Les credit for recruiting this talent. As far as utilizing LSU talent I believe many of the other SEC coaches could coach at Les's level. Some of these coaches would have an easier time recruiting at LSU. Chizik for example had a tougher sell than Miles. In my opinion Saban and Meyer are 1a and 1b. After these 2 you have a jumble. The gap is huge between 2 and 3. Miles could fall anywhere from 3 to 12, but he will never fall 1 or 2 IMO in this lifetime.
Posted on 2/7/10 at 2:36 am to peopleschamp
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Chizik for example had a tougher sell than Miles.
How? He's offering immediate playing time. That's an easier sell than ranked teams with talent.
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In my opinion Saban and Meyer are 1a and 1b. After these 2 you have a jumble. The gap is huge between 2 and 3. Miles could fall anywhere from 3 to 12, but he will never fall 1 or 2 IMO in this lifetime.
You obviously didn't see the UAB debacle & didn't go to Blacksburg or Athens when your "1a." coach was at LSU. Miles completed 5 seasons without losing to an OOC opponent in the regular season.
Saban popped your "NC Cherry", and that's all you will ever see. You & the the other cult of Sabanistas. Pity..
Posted on 2/7/10 at 2:42 am to cj2002
I'm going to factor in recruiting along with actual coaching and go with:
1. Saban
2. Meyer
3. Petrino
4. Miles
5. Richt
6. Spurrier
7. Chizik
8. Nutt
9. Mullen
10. Dooley
11. Johnson
12. Phillips
1. Saban
2. Meyer
3. Petrino
4. Miles
5. Richt
6. Spurrier
7. Chizik
8. Nutt
9. Mullen
10. Dooley
11. Johnson
12. Phillips
Posted on 2/7/10 at 2:56 am to peopleschamp
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This is a complicated question.
Actually if we have the right metrics it is not that difficult. For e.g. winning records, bowl wins, titles.
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LSU is a lot more talented than many of the SEC teams. I give Les credit for recruiting this talent.
We are in the top 3 in the SEC - the difference is almost negligible overall but might be apparent when you take particular positions into account.
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As far as utilizing LSU talent I believe many of the other SEC coaches could coach at Les's level.
Don't bring beliefs into this - I could as easily say that I believe that Einstein had an affair with Eleanor Roosevelt. There is no proof as to how they would handle the talent at LSU and this is purely subjective because these situations have never happened.
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Some of these coaches would have an easier time recruiting at LSU. Chizik for example had a tougher sell than Miles.
Sammich already replied to this - Playing time, Nearness to home, legacy players - there are too many factors that affect recruiting.
South Carolina is part of the SEC, has decent facilities and Spurrier had his name , the instant IT factor and yet couldn't get the top classes - Recruiting is a skill and hard one at that. At the college level it is almost as high if not higher than the damn games themselves.
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In my opinion Saban and Meyer are 1a and 1b.
Your opinion but it is not an unreasonable one given their legacy and current success.
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After these 2 you have a jumble. The gap is huge between 2 and 3. Miles could fall anywhere from 3 to 12, but he will never fall 1 or 2 IMO in this lifetime.
Again opinion and I beg to differ - not that I wouldn't place them as 1a and 1b - I would rate meyer as 1a and saban as 1b (tougher to do it twice in the same place - lightning blah blah...) but I don't think the fall is that high to Miles and with a couple more SEC Titles and with luck and hope another NC Title , he can be back there.
Posted on 2/7/10 at 3:17 am to CalTiger
Petrino #3 why? Win the SEC west before you rate him so high. 3 coaches have national titles in the BCS era, I would say they get 1,2,3. Spurrier has won a title for the SEC, but has not done much lately. I think top 3 are set then you are looking at Richt, Spurrier next. After that you have guys who still need to prove themself in SEC play.
Posted on 2/7/10 at 3:26 am to HDTigers
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I'm going to factor in recruiting along with actual coaching and go with
3. Petrino
5-11 SEC Record
13-12 Overall Record
#48 Rivals ranked recruiting class
#37 Scout ranked recruiting class (Listed #36 but Tie at #28 between Missouri & Cal)
This post was edited on 2/7/10 at 3:29 am
Posted on 2/7/10 at 3:52 am to Sammich
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Miles completed 5 seasons without losing to an OOC opponent in the regular season.
That's great. It really is. But, Miles has allowed Saban and Bama to takeover our spot in the West while Bama has just completed 2 undefeated regular seasons. Miles got his favorable contract. We'll see how much he gives a shite about retaking our spot in the West. His staff is paid about as well as college assistants are going to be paid. We'll see if they are worth it.
Posted on 2/7/10 at 4:09 am to Rocket
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That's great. It really is. But, Miles has allowed Saban and Bama to takeover our spot in the West while Bama has just completed 2 undefeated regular seasons.
Maybe Miles should pay the refs, so one day LSU can get an INT dusted off & handed back to us. And furthermore NOT getting a penalty called if one of LSU's players rips his helmet off & starts talking shite, with time on the clock.
This post was edited on 2/7/10 at 4:12 am
Posted on 2/7/10 at 4:14 am to Sammich
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Maybe Miles should pay the refs, so one day LSU can get an INT dusted off & handed back to us.
That's pretty weak, Sandwich. I figured you were better than this.
But maybe he should quit being absent minded and recruit better quarterbacks.
He really needs to obtain some mental focus and come around and beat Houston Dale this year. Losing to him three years in a row is embarrassing.
Posted on 2/7/10 at 4:17 am to Sammich
Saban
Meyer
Miles
Chiz
Petrino
Richt
Mullen
Nutt
Spurrier
Johnson
Too early for the newbs
Could change after next season. I would have put Les at number one two years ago. Time and events tend to change your perspective.
Meyer
Miles
Chiz
Petrino
Richt
Mullen
Nutt
Spurrier
Johnson
Too early for the newbs
Could change after next season. I would have put Les at number one two years ago. Time and events tend to change your perspective.
Posted on 2/7/10 at 4:32 am to Rocket
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That's pretty weak, Sammich. I figured you were better than this.
Is this "Out of Bounds" to you?
Posted on 2/7/10 at 4:41 am to Sammich
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Is this "Out of Bounds" to you?
No, but excuses are like assholes. Everybody's got 'em.
We also have to get this offense out of the ditch. We are a proud SEC team. We should not be averaging 24 points/game. We should be averaging more than that.
Posted on 2/7/10 at 4:48 am to Rocket
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No, but excuses are like assholes. Everybody's got 'em.
We also have to get this offense out of the ditch. We are a proud SEC team. We should not be averaging 24 points/game. We should be averaging more than that.
I don't want to put it that eloquently but I agree with it (even if I feel that Bama paid the refs
) Refs, injuries, low probability plays etc... even out in the course of a season.
If we are that unlucky that we are at the receiving end of every bad call and injury situations and trick plays then I feel even better because the wheel turns and next season we will be on the other side of the equation
Posted on 2/7/10 at 4:58 am to Rocket
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No, but excuses are like assholes. Everybody's got 'em.
That's not an excuse, that was a Bad call that was alledgedly "Reviewed". ESPN did a poll on it & every state except - guess who (?) agreed it was a Bad call.
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We also have to get this offense out of the ditch. We are a proud SEC team. We should not be averaging 24 points/game. We should be averaging more than that.
Probably why Miles hired Billy Gonzales & Frank Wilson on Offense. Also maybe why he signed 4 WR's & 3 RB's & several OL.
Posted on 2/7/10 at 5:12 am to Sammich
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That's not an excuse
It was a bad call but you use it as an excuse when you bring it into the conversation we are having the way you did.
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Probably why Miles hired Billy Gonzales & Frank Wilson on Offense.
Wilson was hired to replace Porter who got the head coaching position at his alma mater.
And Gonzales can be the greatest WR coach in the history of football but it doesn't matter all that much if the QB can't get the WR's the ball. And what the frick does a passing game coordinator actually do? It sounds like nothing more than a title. Because I doubt Miles and Crowton would agree to let Gonzales head up the passing game.
By the way, Sandwich, you big-lipped fricker, give me a starting lineup on defense for 2010.
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