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re: Realistic expectations!
Posted on 12/28/09 at 9:46 am to oneg8rh8r
Posted on 12/28/09 at 9:46 am to oneg8rh8r
I don't think anybody thinks it can happen every year but it should be the goal of a cahmpionship program every year.
Programs like LSU and Alabama should expect to compete for the NC every year and by that I mean top two or three in the conference. That is possible.
Programs like LSU and Alabama should expect to compete for the NC every year and by that I mean top two or three in the conference. That is possible.
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Posted on 12/28/09 at 9:51 am to oneg8rh8r
I am tired of all you bandwagoners. I am on the verge of hoping for losing seasons for a few years so you guys will jump off and the real tiger faithful can enjoy our fighting tigers.
You guys are too young and spoiled to understand. In time you will see that you did nothing but bitch during LSU's golden era and you will regret your lack of appreciation. You negatigers are all dumb asses!
You guys are too young and spoiled to understand. In time you will see that you did nothing but bitch during LSU's golden era and you will regret your lack of appreciation. You negatigers are all dumb asses!
Posted on 12/28/09 at 9:56 am to BamaScoop
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Programs like LSU and Alabama should expect to compete for the NC every year and by that I mean top two or three in the conference. That is possible.
Nah, unrealistic. According to the "faithful" LSU should be satisfied with a winning record and beating Arkansas every few years now. LSU has their national championships for a while, unrealistic to hope for another.
Posted on 12/28/09 at 10:04 am to ELVIS U
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I am on the verge of hoping for losing seasons for a few years so you guys will jump off and the real tiger faithful can enjoy our fighting tigers.
Ive had this exact thought for some time now.
I wouldnt say Few yrs though.
Posted on 12/28/09 at 10:06 am to ELVIS U
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I am on the verge of hoping for losing seasons for a few years so you guys will jump off and the real tiger faithful can enjoy our fighting tigers.
Now here is a real fan. Someone willing to sacrifice the program in order to rid the program of people who don't believe like he does.
Posted on 12/28/09 at 10:09 am to Gamer
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10 win seasons do not mean shite anymore. As far as I'm concerned, and I'm sure others can agree, its a national championship or failure every season. With the talent that comes in year in and year out why should we settle for mediocrity?
Do you really define mediocrity as simply not winning a NC or SEC championship every year????
I believe we should have very high standards but realistic expectations. If you honestly EXPECT us to win the NC every year than you are in sad and miserable life as a fan. The expectations should be over a period of time, say 3 or 4 SEC championships in a decade, maybe 2 NC's. But to look at it year by year is just ignorant.
Posted on 12/28/09 at 10:11 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Someone willing to sacrifice the program in order to rid the program of people who don't believe like he does.
misconstrued point of the year. Posted on 12/28/09 at 10:12 am to RogerTheShrubber
You post this in the second page
Below is what you posted in this very same thread in the first page
At risk of using an ad hominem attack - you are beginning to sound like a broken record (especially bewildering to understand when you so clearly state what you just did on the first page!!)
You don't even talk about NCs - you agree that winning the SEC once in 3-4 years is a realistic and hence desirable goal.
If you are being over the top sarcastic all the time it is fine - if you are serious all the time it is fine but if you choose to alternate randomly- then it is very difficult to to have a discussion when sarcasm and body language and other subtle nuances are lost in internet forums
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Nah, unrealistic. According to the "faithful" LSU should be satisfied with a winning record and beating Arkansas every few years now. LSU has their national championships for a while, unrealistic to hope for another.
Below is what you posted in this very same thread in the first page
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I understand, I was being somewhat over the top and sarcastic in my response as well. I think LSU fans get a bit of a bum rap from their own. Every fan base has some with unreal expectations. Of course LSU can't win the SEC every year but should be expected to win it every 3-4 years in the least.
Also, fans have always "been this way." I was a youngster but remember the Charlie Mac days. The internet just makes dissenting opinion appear to be magnified much greater than it is at times. Opinionated people speak louder and more often than middle of the road folks.
At risk of using an ad hominem attack - you are beginning to sound like a broken record (especially bewildering to understand when you so clearly state what you just did on the first page!!)
You don't even talk about NCs - you agree that winning the SEC once in 3-4 years is a realistic and hence desirable goal.
If you are being over the top sarcastic all the time it is fine - if you are serious all the time it is fine but if you choose to alternate randomly- then it is very difficult to to have a discussion when sarcasm and body language and other subtle nuances are lost in internet forums
Posted on 12/28/09 at 10:12 am to oneg8rh8r
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its a national championship or failure every season. With the talent that comes in year in and year out why should we settle for mediocrity?
Your an idiot, this will never be a realistic expression... you must b an unhappy fan, get real moron.
Edit: just read your second post, now that is wayyy more realistic...
This post was edited on 12/28/09 at 10:15 am
Posted on 12/28/09 at 10:14 am to oneg8rh8r
Realistic is to expect them to be competitive in the West every year. That's not to say that one should expect to win it every year...just be comeptitive for it.
If you are competitive for the West every year, you will occassionally get a few lucky breaks and win the West, which gets you to Atlanta. At this point you are indisputably a top 15 (probably a top 10) team and are nationally-relevant.
If you get to Atlanta and win, then you are relevant for the national chase. Do that consistently and you might get lucky enough to taste the championship game once every few years (to the extent that the BCS actually determines the "best" in any given year).
There is absolutely no team in football that has a record the likes of which LSU rantards "expect" from their team. You just don't consistently play for national championships. This team was much improved from last year's product (i.e. they made progress) and was even being discussed in the national title picture in November as they went to Tuscaloosa. Although I don't like to blame refs for outcomes, many would say that LSU was a blown call or two from actually going to Atlanta this year.
I am largely satisfied with this season, to the extent that any fan has any right to sit in the stands and smugly judge the results of a major NCAA program's blood, sweat and tears.
If you are competitive for the West every year, you will occassionally get a few lucky breaks and win the West, which gets you to Atlanta. At this point you are indisputably a top 15 (probably a top 10) team and are nationally-relevant.
If you get to Atlanta and win, then you are relevant for the national chase. Do that consistently and you might get lucky enough to taste the championship game once every few years (to the extent that the BCS actually determines the "best" in any given year).
There is absolutely no team in football that has a record the likes of which LSU rantards "expect" from their team. You just don't consistently play for national championships. This team was much improved from last year's product (i.e. they made progress) and was even being discussed in the national title picture in November as they went to Tuscaloosa. Although I don't like to blame refs for outcomes, many would say that LSU was a blown call or two from actually going to Atlanta this year.
I am largely satisfied with this season, to the extent that any fan has any right to sit in the stands and smugly judge the results of a major NCAA program's blood, sweat and tears.
Posted on 12/28/09 at 10:22 am to oneg8rh8r
Winning the West was not in the cards with inexperience at QB this year.
Lets see how Saban does next year when he has to replace 8 starters on defense.
Miles has the major areas covered: Recruiting is at an all time high; Miles keeps improving the coaching staff with virtually every new hire, Preparing a team for our bowl games is as good as it gets; and he got us our second BCS Championship this decade.
So all you geek RANTards need to complain about somthing else.
Lets see how Saban does next year when he has to replace 8 starters on defense.
Miles has the major areas covered: Recruiting is at an all time high; Miles keeps improving the coaching staff with virtually every new hire, Preparing a team for our bowl games is as good as it gets; and he got us our second BCS Championship this decade.
So all you geek RANTards need to complain about somthing else.
Posted on 12/28/09 at 10:25 am to CalTiger
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At risk of using an ad hominem attack - you are beginning to sound like a broken record (especially bewildering to understand when you so clearly state what you just did on the first page!!)
You don't even talk about NCs - you agree that winning the SEC once in 3-4 years is a realistic and hence desirable goal.
You suck at comprehension. Each post was in context with the post replied to. Read again.
Posted on 12/28/09 at 10:34 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Expecting to win the SEC is too much.
Well, considering we have won the SEC 10 times in like 80 yrs, expecting to win it yearly might be a tad hi as expectations go.
Bama leads the SEC with 20+ titles. So, any SEC fan base expecting yearly SEC titles is going to be bitterly disappointed 70-80% of the time, but hey...lets set our goals to ensure failure so we can all pizz and moan when that failure comes.
Posted on 12/28/09 at 10:35 am to Gamer
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10 win seasons do not mean shite anymore.
I disagree with that but it's just my opinion. I realize just that LSU won't win BCS Championships every year so I don't mind 10 win seasons. JMO though.
Posted on 12/28/09 at 10:38 am to Lonnie4LSU
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Well, considering we have won the SEC 10 times in like 80 yrs, expecting to win it yearly might be a tad hi as expectations go.
Bama leads the SEC with 20+ titles. So, any SEC fan base expecting yearly SEC titles is going to be bitterly disappointed 70-80% of the time, but hey...lets set our goals to ensure failure so we can all pizz and moan when that failure comes.
Exactly. The fans were MUCH happier in the Archer/Hallman/Dinardo years, weren't they? Hell yeah. We need to LOWer those expectations. Pretending we can beat Bama, Ole Miss and Arkansas just sets us up for disappointment. We could all go have scones and tea and forget this football stuff 365 days a year.
Posted on 12/28/09 at 10:43 am to RogerTheShrubber
First you posted this crap
The Granddad replied
To which you replied the first part of my post
Then Bama Scoop said
to which you replied again
You tried to use a crappy exaggeration as an example and when called out - you said that you were being sarcastic and that you understand realistic goals and then again you spout about the same crappy exaggerations.
and that is the definition of sounding like a broken record!!
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Totally agree dude. We should ALL lower our standards and expectations. LSU has already won TWO national championships this century, right? No need for any more. SEC championships? Nah, we have enough. Yeah people. Lets drop those standards. Expecting to win the SEC is too much.
The Granddad replied
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re: Realistic expectations! (Posted on 12/28/09 at 9:12 a.m. to RogerTheShrubber) quote: We should all lower our expectations. We have won enough SEC championships and National Championships. you missed his point RogerTheScrubber. he said EVERY YEAR! while i'm not sure if he was being tongue and cheek, i agree that we can't win EVERY YEAR!
To which you replied the first part of my post
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I understand, I was being somewhat over the top and sarcastic in my response as well. I think LSU fans get a bit of a bum rap from their own. Every fan base has some with unreal expectations. Of course LSU can't win the SEC every year but should be expected to win it every 3-4 years in the least. Also, fans have always "been this way." I was a youngster but remember the Charlie Mac days. The internet just makes dissenting opinion appear to be magnified much greater than it is at times. Opinionated people speak louder and more often than middle of the road folks
Then Bama Scoop said
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Programs like LSU and Alabama should expect to compete for the NC every year and by that I mean top two or three in the conference. That is possible.
to which you replied again
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Nah, unrealistic. According to the "faithful" LSU should be satisfied with a winning record and beating Arkansas every few years now. LSU has their national championships for a while, unrealistic to hope for another.
You tried to use a crappy exaggeration as an example and when called out - you said that you were being sarcastic and that you understand realistic goals and then again you spout about the same crappy exaggerations.
and that is the definition of sounding like a broken record!!
Posted on 12/28/09 at 10:47 am to CalTiger
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You tried to use a crappy exaggeration as an example and when called out - you said that you were being sarcastic and that you understand realistic goals and then again you spout about the same crappy exaggerations.
and that is the definition of sounding like a broken record!!
Each response is to a specific post. Its not that difficult to follow.
Realistic goals are in the eye of the beholder. Folks wanting an elite team should expect LSU to contend for the SEC every year. Those happy with losing to Bama, UF and Ole Miss will be happy with 3-4 losses a year. Some will be happy with a winning season.
The program has been in the position to win the SEC title every year for the past 7-8 years. The program set those expectations.
Posted on 12/28/09 at 10:57 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Each response is to a specific post. Its not that difficult to follow.
Realistic goals are in the eye of the beholder. Folks wanting an elite team should expect LSU to contend for the SEC every year. Those happy with losing to Bama, UF and Ole Miss will be happy with 3-4 losses a year. Some will be happy with a winning season.
The program has been in the position to win the SEC title every year for the past 7-8 years. The program set those expectations.
This is not about threading - it was about trying to understand why you would post different intents in the same thread.
Let me clarify if this is what I think you mean
1. We should contend for SEC West each year.
2. We should contend for SEC at least once every few years
3. Be able to win SEC once every 4 years or so
4. Winning SEC in today's NCAAF often will lead to playing for National Title Games so at least have the opportunity for that game once in a decade?
Apart from the 4th which is not in our hands - all the rest , even if unrealistic or no, is what I want and I think pretty much any fan wants - I just don't understand why you would think that others would be happy with losing to UF, Ole Miss and Bama and a 7-5 season?
Posted on 12/28/09 at 11:00 am to RogerTheShrubber
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The program has been in the position to win the SEC title every year for the past 7-8 years. The program set those expectations.
I think the biggest gap right now with the range of fans is how they define "in position to" or "competing for". There is also a big difference in how different groups put this year, and previous years into context when looking at the future.
Posted on 12/28/09 at 11:08 am to CalTiger
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Apart from the 4th which is not in our hands - all the rest , even if unrealistic or no, is what I want and I think pretty much any fan wants - I just don't understand why you would think that others would be happy with losing to UF, Ole Miss and Bama and a 7-5 season?
Ohhh...there are. Thinly veiled under these posts that attack fans for expecting to be ABLE to compete for an SeC title every year is the "We will have a 9-10 win season" regardless of the fact that the team has lost to Alabama the last two, UF the last two and Arkansas the last three.
Stating an off season is ok, and maybe a couple off seasons are fine. Its all in the eye of the beholder. There are definitely fans on this board who would be satisfied with a 7-5 record next year.
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