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Posted on 5/12/09 at 7:37 am to tduecen
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I could see them, I mean hell its a Spring Game not even a real practice. They are going to give fans what they wanna see. JL/JJ could be running first/second string and RS could be running some second string cause he will probably play in wildcat or some of those plays that RP was showcased during NC year.
I mean its obvious he is going to play so obvioulsy they need to have him take reps with first and second string on the occassion.
He is probably going to play many positions this year, he is still only 190LBS so still would probably need 25 more pounds before season started.
Yeah, I guess you could be right. Like you said, without inside scoop from the coaches all we can do is debate.
You see a lot of QBs redshirt because they don't have anything else to offer other than being a QB. In Shep's case, he does have other skills to offer for the offense. This is why he won't redshirt.
You think The Wizard has a play up his sleeve where Shep and Holliday run the option?
Posted on 5/12/09 at 7:38 am to TheDoc
he was 170 coming out of high school? 180 maybe? he has put on 10-15 pounds since he got on campus of legit muscle so I trust it.
Posted on 5/12/09 at 7:41 am to SouthEndzoneTiger
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You think The Wizard has a play up his sleeve where Shep and Holliday run the option?
JJ in middle with Holiday/RS on sides and Lafell/Tolliver on outside...
Who gets the ball?
Scary to think about
Posted on 5/12/09 at 7:46 am to STEVED00
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Shepard will probably have a similiar role Tebow had his FR year. He will play a "hybrid" type position.
pretty much. he's going to be a gimmick player with limited # of plays, so i don't expect a redshirt
however, without the RS, i don't expect to see much out of him as a traditional QB by the time he leaves LSU
Posted on 5/12/09 at 7:47 am to tduecen
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he is still only 190LBS so still would probably need 25 more pounds before season started.
for what?
percy harvin, after 3 years of bulking up, was 190-200. maclin was also in the same range
why do we want our guys to be huge and slow?
Posted on 5/12/09 at 7:53 am to SlowFlowPro
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for what?
percy harvin, after 3 years of bulking up, was 190-200. maclin was also in the same range
why do we want our guys to be huge and slow?
If he is going to play QB in SEC he better be more than 190. Even Pat White was over 200 and dont think he is any slower. Terell Pryor is 6'6" 245 and see no one talking about how slow he is.
Posted on 5/12/09 at 7:55 am to tduecen
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Even Pat White was over 200 and dont think he is any slower
i think he weighed in at 197 at the combine, so no
This post was edited on 5/12/09 at 7:55 am
Posted on 5/12/09 at 7:58 am to SlowFlowPro
6'1" 192 so are right there... Still hold by my original thought that if he wants to play in SEC at QB he needs to be around 215.
He needs to be able to take hits, if LSU is going to use him like Harvin then his weight is fine.
He needs to be able to take hits, if LSU is going to use him like Harvin then his weight is fine.
Posted on 5/12/09 at 8:00 am to SlowFlowPro
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however, without the RS, i don't expect to see much out of him as a traditional QB by the time he leaves LSU
So if a QB doesn't redshirt he can't have a successful career in college? I don't agree.
Posted on 5/12/09 at 8:02 am to SouthEndzoneTiger
no the timeline is the biggest hurdle for shep
he's coming in as a true frosh when a true sophomore is playing ahead of him
that means JJ will almost definitely play 3 more years, giving shep ONE year to play a real QB role
also garrett (who looked better than shep as a QB in the spring game) is goin to RS, so he'll have 2 years to play once JJ leaves if all goes right
just looks like a PT crunch for shep
he's coming in as a true frosh when a true sophomore is playing ahead of him
that means JJ will almost definitely play 3 more years, giving shep ONE year to play a real QB role
also garrett (who looked better than shep as a QB in the spring game) is goin to RS, so he'll have 2 years to play once JJ leaves if all goes right
just looks like a PT crunch for shep
Posted on 5/12/09 at 8:02 am to SouthEndzoneTiger
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So if a QB doesn't redshirt he can't have a successful career in college? I don't agree
Think he means LSU is going to use him in many different positions never really letting him be a QB. If he redshirted and focused on duties of a QB he would have a greater chance. At least that is how I read it
Posted on 5/12/09 at 8:07 am to tduecen
well i believe what you said also. he looked real raw as a passer in the spring game, and he doesn't have much schooling in the passing game by his high school coaches/scheme
i think RS is the best path for shep to play a real QB role
i think not RS is the best path for LSU this year (assuming crowton/miles grow balls and use him right)
i think RS is the best path for shep to play a real QB role
i think not RS is the best path for LSU this year (assuming crowton/miles grow balls and use him right)
Posted on 5/12/09 at 8:10 am to SlowFlowPro
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no the timeline is the biggest hurdle for shep
Ah, I see what you're saying. Yeah, you could be right, BUT, it would be up to him to win out the position. You could have said the same thing about JJ last year, but here he is starting in his 2nd year. (I'm making an assumption on JJ starting to make a point and am in no way trying to turn this into a JJ vs JL thread.)
Posted on 5/12/09 at 8:11 am to tduecen
quote:He's been quoted as saying he's already up to 190. Redshirting him would be stupid. If he only gets 6 plays a game but is able to score or set up a score in 4 of the 6 against a team like FLA or BAMA to help us win wouldn't you rather have him on the field? The added dimension he brings to keep defenses off balance is worth burning the redshirt by itself, add to that the possiblity that he puts 6 points on the board and it's a no brainer.
he was 170 coming out of high school? 180 maybe? he has put on 10-15 pounds since he got on campus of legit muscle so I trust it.
Posted on 5/12/09 at 8:12 am to SlowFlowPro
Well I see him getting possible 10 touches a game in a variety of roles this year. Direct snap run plays, wildcat, him and JJ in backfield and a screen to him.
If he is going to be a full time QB I think he needs to bulk up, if he is going to be multi-dimensional threat he is fine how he is.
On bright side at least he will have that 6'4" 4.4 forty receiver to throw too, who high jumps 6'10". Will be awesome in redzone in a couple seasons.
If he is going to be a full time QB I think he needs to bulk up, if he is going to be multi-dimensional threat he is fine how he is.
On bright side at least he will have that 6'4" 4.4 forty receiver to throw too, who high jumps 6'10". Will be awesome in redzone in a couple seasons.
Posted on 5/12/09 at 8:14 am to SouthEndzoneTiger
well lee is still a variable worth mentioning. he's got 3 more years also. now he may transfer, but i mean he may not. after how miles has backed him, i doubt we revoke his schollie or anything
i thin, our QB position for the next 4 years is going to be like our RB positions: 2 different positions, essentially. we have the "big back" who starts and a speed guy for speed plays. i think we end up with a passer and a runner at QB for different plays/packages
i thin, our QB position for the next 4 years is going to be like our RB positions: 2 different positions, essentially. we have the "big back" who starts and a speed guy for speed plays. i think we end up with a passer and a runner at QB for different plays/packages
Posted on 5/12/09 at 8:15 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:A million things could happen, and we've seen alot of them happen here at LSU. Someone could get hurt, someone could transfer, grade problems, trouble with the law (god forbid all of these), but it could happen. I'm sure RS is not sitting there moaning about his PT or thinking that he won't get enough. Tons of possibilities for him.
no the timeline is the biggest hurdle for shep
he's coming in as a true frosh when a true sophomore is playing ahead of him
that means JJ will almost definitely play 3 more years, giving shep ONE year to play a real QB role
also garrett (who looked better than shep as a QB in the spring game) is goin to RS, so he'll have 2 years to play once JJ leaves if all goes right
just looks like a PT crunch for shep
Posted on 5/12/09 at 8:17 am to tduecen
JJ did not red shirt and looks to be an outstanding QB; point being, if RS does not red shirt and is used only as a gimick player this year, it does not limit his ability to be a great QB in the future. Having said all that, I think he red shirts.
Posted on 5/12/09 at 8:17 am to Tiger_n_ATL
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Someone could get hurt, someone could transfer
shep needs both to happen at the same time over the next 3 years to get PT as a QB along with garrett not developing
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I'm sure RS is not sitting there moaning about his PT or thinking that he won't get enough.
i'm saying he'll get PT. he'll likely get PT from our first game on for the next 4 years
i just don't know if he'll ever be a traditional QB (not that he won't be a weapon)
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