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re: Screen, Stokely, Haynes, Hillman, Lee
Posted on 6/28/08 at 8:28 am to rtgr
Posted on 6/28/08 at 8:28 am to rtgr
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We have all heard it a thousand times or more. It's old.
No, what's old is the incessant bullshite of people who perpetuate those stupid arse myths because they can't be satisfied with simply acknowledging that he was a good coach who had flaws and appreciate that he is and will be for at least many years to come the coach with the most victories of any LSU coach. He's a legend of LSU football, but that's not enough for the psychos who must insist that he was a fricking god and can't stand anyone who knows otherwise.
Living in delusion does, however, seem to suit you, so go right ahead.
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Posted on 6/28/08 at 9:16 am to rtgr
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First. Butch Duhe never played a down for LSU.
According to Dandy Don, Butch died before the start of the 1969 season, which just can't be. I dug a little harder and found this:
Butch Duhe -- Destined to be LSU's starter in 1970, but collapsed in practice and died of a cerebral hemorrhage at the LSU infirmary. Duhe played at Holy Cross. With Duhe at quarterback, the Tigers were looking at a possible national championship.
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Second. Freshmen were not elegible to play until 1970. Try something new.
That's my bad, but it was his first year of elegibility and had zero experience.
Perhaps there is somebody else that can remember this, because I am very sure that Duhe was inserted in the game and fumbled either the first snap or the second.
So I am not wrong in my claim. And I am not Puerto Rican either.
This post was edited on 6/28/08 at 9:20 am
Posted on 6/28/08 at 10:06 am to Topcat
Miley ,OK -Stokely
This post was edited on 6/28/08 at 10:08 am
Posted on 6/28/08 at 1:45 pm to chatuey
I did some checking on Butch Duhe. He was indeed a sophmore in 69. My bad and I apologize for insisting he was a freshman. I thought he was a freshman that year and thus not able to play. He was third string and the clipboard holder behind Hillman and Lee. He died before the next season from stroke. At the time he was supposed to be pushing Buddy Lee very hard for the starting position.
I really do not remember a fumbled snap from center. I do recall a fumble from the rb running into the qb right after the snap although I am positive it was Hillman at qb when that happened.
So again, I do apologize re the freshman remark. I was wrong on that one.
I really do not remember a fumbled snap from center. I do recall a fumble from the rb running into the qb right after the snap although I am positive it was Hillman at qb when that happened.
So again, I do apologize re the freshman remark. I was wrong on that one.
Posted on 6/28/08 at 2:04 pm to Nuts4LSU
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Mac was famous for his poor decisions regarding the quarterback rotation, and for his conservative style, relying on his defense to win games after he got a lead.
He forced Mike Miley to quit after his knuckle headed substitutions versus Alabama 1973.
He had USC beat and ran a pitch out sweep with 3rd and goal from the two yardline...which ended up a 11 yard loss. This forced an unecessary field goal.
cost him his job
This post was edited on 6/28/08 at 2:05 pm
Posted on 6/28/08 at 2:32 pm to rtgr
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I did some checking on Butch Duhe
I've been searching like crazy and couldn't find anything worth beans. You found more than me!
But I guarantee you that Butch was inserted in the '69 Ole Miss game under the scenario I presented...and that a lost fumbled came almost inmediately after he went into the game. Maybe it was not a fumbled snap, it may have been the failed handoff you mentioned, but Coach Mac thought he had the game won when ahead 23-12.
It was a brain fart me saying that he was a true freshman, because I attended all freshman games while at LSU during my student years ('63-'69) and I remember watching Duhe as a freshman.
I enjoyed the freshman games when Trey Prather and Mike Hillman were competing in the same team, but I would give Prather a slight edge.
Posted on 6/28/08 at 5:29 pm to Old Times
With all due respect I believe you are wrong concerning Miley. He quit because he was drafted by the Angels.
Posted on 6/28/08 at 6:04 pm to rtgr
Duhe died the week before the 1970 season opener against Texas A&M. The Aggeies won 20-18 on the last play of the game, a hail mary misjudged by two LSU defenders from Lex James to Carl Roaches.
One of 3 LSU losses that year (0-3 at Notre Dame and 12-17 to Nebraska in the Orange Bowl.)
One of 3 LSU losses that year (0-3 at Notre Dame and 12-17 to Nebraska in the Orange Bowl.)
Posted on 6/28/08 at 6:23 pm to MetryTyger
Incorrect, the pass was to Hugh McElroy!!
Posted on 6/28/08 at 7:03 pm to chatuey
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I was not at the game, but I had a better view than you did watching it on TV.
You must have had some kind of supernatural tv to see that game on tv! It wasn't on tv! Back then, they broadcast only one game a week and it wasn't the one they chose! Abc had exclusive tv rights to college games at the time and you watched what they sent nationwide or you didn't watch anything at all. Sometimes they would do a regional broadcast or as on Thanksgiving one year they had 4 games featuring the top 8 teams with LSU-Bama as the nightcap but most of the time it was one game. It wasn't until the major schools formed the CFA and sued the NCAA that we began to see more games being broadcast.
Posted on 6/28/08 at 7:09 pm to MetryTyger
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a hail mary misjudged by two LSU defenders
Paul Lyons was the defender on this play. He went for the int and missed it and Hugh McElroy caught it over his shoulder and ran it in. Lyons eventually split time at qb with Bert Jones and at Wisconsin in '71 or '72 set a then NCAA record for total offense in a game.
Posted on 6/28/08 at 7:11 pm to MiketheTiger69
That is exactly what I was thinking. I was at the game and would have liked to have watched it on tv had it been on. Especially after Paul Lyons missed the interception and Mcelroy caught the ball. That was pretty tought for a kid to take!!! On a side note I find it really interesting some of the comments about Coach Mac. He was a great coach who may not have kept up with some of the other programs aroung the country in the early 70's but LSU was never put on probation during his tenure as coach and not many coaches on our day would turn down the money he did (reportedly around 1 mill to go to A&M) to stay at a school that was paying him chump change at the time.
Posted on 6/28/08 at 7:22 pm to Gus Tinsley
Mac was one of the best coaches in America! Like the Saints sucess at the time of the 49er's winning Super Bowls, Mac had the misfortune of coaching at the same time and against Bear Bryant. I have always felt that had LSU not fired Mac, we would have seen another NC flag flying over the North End Zone long before 2003!
Mac loved LSU, he represented LSU with class and dignity, his players loved him and they loved playing for him.
His down years were the result of one, injuries, and two, changing to the Veer offense to suit MIke Miley who left to play pro baseball, leaving us with and injured Billy Broussard and the late Carl Otis Trimble, who couldn't pass the football ten yards.
Mac loved LSU, he represented LSU with class and dignity, his players loved him and they loved playing for him.
His down years were the result of one, injuries, and two, changing to the Veer offense to suit MIke Miley who left to play pro baseball, leaving us with and injured Billy Broussard and the late Carl Otis Trimble, who couldn't pass the football ten yards.
Posted on 6/28/08 at 7:28 pm to MiketheTiger69
You are correct. But I would add one other thing. During this period many of Louisiana's best athletes were leaving the state due to LSU's lack of recruiting black athletes. Oklahoma, Nebraska, and Notre Dame just to name a few got some great players from LA. during those years and it carried over to the late 70's with players like Johnny Hector(A&M) and Neal Smith to Nebraska leaving the state. It seems as though it took the years of Jerry Stovall before the Tigers really started to keep the best (black and white) as well instate!
Posted on 6/28/08 at 7:34 pm to Gus Tinsley
That definitely is one of the things that hurt Mac and LSU. It was Bear Bryant that finally broke the color barrier for the SEC after USC and Sam "Bam" Cunningham kicked his arse in B'ham.
Posted on 6/28/08 at 7:43 pm to Old Times
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He forced Mike Miley to quit after his knuckle headed substitutions versus Alabama 1973.
Mike Miley signed a baseball contract with the Angels. He did not quit because of Coach Mac
<He had USC beat and ran a pitch out sweep with 3rd and goal from the two yardline...which ended up a 11 yard loss. This forced an unecessary field goal.>
Yea, Mac pithced the ball behind Jones on that play. Too bad, Jones could have walked in on that one. The play call was perfect. Damn, you know it's funny, I always though it was Woodley or Ensminger that was playing qb that night. I must have had too much scotch.
Oh and FYI, Mac was coaching the last year of his contract when we played USC. He was not fired for losing that game. Now you should go back to work. NASA does not like it's scientists playing on LSU football boards.
Posted on 6/28/08 at 7:46 pm to chatuey
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I enjoyed the freshman games when Trey Prather and Mike Hillman were competing in the same team, but I would give Prather a slight edge.
Trey was a great kid. He,like so many others, died in Vietnam. He was killed a year before my younger brother was. Jesus, what a waste of good young men. I still get pissed off when I think of it.
Posted on 6/28/08 at 9:51 pm to MiketheTiger69
MiketheTiger69:
I think you may have two games mixed up here. When I said:
"I was not at the game, but I had a better view than you did watching it on TV", I was clearly talking about the '69 LSU-Ole Miss game, not the LSU-Texas A&M game that LSU got beat on the last play.
Now, if that profound explanation you gave about TV games was referring to the LSU-Ole Miss game not being on TV, I would tell you that you are full of shite, because I saw it live and in color.
I think you may have two games mixed up here. When I said:
"I was not at the game, but I had a better view than you did watching it on TV", I was clearly talking about the '69 LSU-Ole Miss game, not the LSU-Texas A&M game that LSU got beat on the last play.
Now, if that profound explanation you gave about TV games was referring to the LSU-Ole Miss game not being on TV, I would tell you that you are full of shite, because I saw it live and in color.
Posted on 6/28/08 at 10:12 pm to rtgr
I was at the game and it was Carl Roaches who caught the ball. My dad was in a box seat and Roaches ran right by him. My mom had to grab him cuz his first instinct was to tackle him, lol. They were at the game with Skipper Heard the former a.d. at LSU. We still sit in the seats he got for us.
Posted on 6/28/08 at 10:29 pm to chatuey
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I enjoyed the freshman games when Trey Prather and Mike Hillman were competing in the same team, but I would give Prather a slight edge.
Prather was a good one coming out of high school. Read somewhere that the Woodlawn coach (Williams) said he was the best college prospect he had ever coached. That's saying something since Williams coached Terry Bradshaw and Joe Ferguson.
BTW, Bradshaw sat the bench when Prather was on the team.
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